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the eqyptians took monatomic gold, they called it MFKTZ, (MufKuttz) ...
they took the white gold powder and mixed it with frankencense into cone(pyramid) shaped connicles and ate it...
Many of the pharoahs bodies have NEVER been found... they are said to have entered the field of MFKTZ.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Osiris has to be considered to have died. He was cut into peices, put into a coffin, and buried. Since we're talking about a myth, this clearly means that he died.
Originally posted by Nygdan
With any myth, there are going to be lots of variations. What makes this one the correct one?
Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
alright I've been misinformed as to how it was ingested and some other details...
but there are stories of certain peoples using white powder gold....
theres even a story about it in the bible, when Moses came down from the mountain and found everyone worshipping the gold calf Moses' Brother Aaron made from everyones gold earings and jewelery..
the story tells how moses burnt and transposed the gold and fed it to the people
and we all know when you burn gold is just melts... so what really did take place?
Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy
alright I've been misinformed as to how it was ingested and some other details...
but there are stories of certain peoples using white powder gold....
theres even a story about it in the bible, when Moses came down from the mountain and found everyone worshipping the gold calf Moses' Brother Aaron made from everyones gold earings and jewelery..
the story tells how moses burnt and transposed the gold and fed it to the people
and we all know when you burn gold is just melts... so what really did take place?
Originally posted by Byrd
I had a look at the text on the stone (full text) here:
www.touregypt.net...
..and the history, etc here:
maat.sofiatopia.org...
Translation and notes here:
nefertiti.iwebland.com...
The commentary here makes things a little clearer:
maat.sofiatopia.org...
Geb tells Horus to "go to the place where your father was drowned"... and his father is Osiris -- therefore there's little question that Osiris actually died. Horus is by this time an adult and the death of Osiris took place before Horus was born (actually before he was conceived.)
The passage, "[He entered the hidden portals in the glory of the lords of eternity]" refers to the land of the dead.
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Nygdan
With any myth, there are going to be lots of variations. What makes this one the correct one?
The pharaohs were actively searching for his burial site in Abydos.
such as Orion, and the 14 pieces story is really just an astronomy-based one, whereas the Shabaka stone is relating his actual death - he drowned.
I've considered the "Drowned" thing as a reference to his constellation sinking below the horizon over a body of water, but that area of Egypt (Abydos), doesn't have any large bodies of water for the constellation to "sink" into.
Originally posted by undo
I've considered the "Drowned" thing as a reference to his constellation sinking below the horizon over a body of water, but that area of Egypt (Abydos), doesn't have any large bodies of water for the constellation to "sink" into.
Also, the information regarding the search for Osiris' burial spot in Abydos was included in the same voice as the info on the building of the pharaohs temples and such.
Originally posted by Nygdan
And peopel have searched for the burialsite of jesus, that doesn't mean he's real either.
Another thing to consider is that the many shaman initiation rites apparently invovle dying and returning to life, even dismemberment, burial in a coffin, and then rising again. This might all be a remembrance of those older, pre-egyptian religion, traditions. Indeed, a shaman undergoing the initiation, attaining powers from the formless void and underworld, and then returning as master of death, and source of the king's power, might make sense in this death, dismemberment, drowning, rising, myth, wherein osiris becomes the judge of the dead and the epitome of the kings.
Originally posted by firebat
Byrd & Undo... I don't have anything to really contribute to this thread but I just have to say I thoroughly enjoy reading the conversations between you two. You both know a good deal of what you're talking about and I always learn something everytime I read a thread where you are posting... I'm amazed at how much knowledge on ancient civilizations you both have and I can only hope to one day learn some of the things you two are talking about, not just in this thread. Very interesting stuff.