Life on Mars Conspiracy or cover-up?

Has anyone ever thought it strange how several visits to the planet Mars have ended in mysterious destruction or loss of the vessels?

Whilst scientists have told us that life as we know it could not survive on the red planet, has anyone stopped to think that it may not be life "as we know it", and could be subterreanean and not visible from the surface of Mars?

It just seems a little strange to me that we keep losing craft just on descent to the surface of the planet. Could something be attacking the spacecraft as they enter final approach?

It would be interesting to see if anyone else has thought this.

Ross

The Banyan trees of Mars: Sir Arthur C. Clarke's minority view.
tinyurl.com...

From the images I have watched there is a lot going on there.
And NASA likes to red tint all the images coming from Mars.

Water:
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com...

Vegetation:
sci.esa.int...
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com...
sci.esa.int...

Ancient civilization:
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com...
ida.wr.usgs.gov...

Current civilization:
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com... !!!!
www.msss.com...
www.msss.com...

Cover up and conspiracy for sure...

I must add that all the imaging from the Mars Orbiter Camera is censored... Big blur, spray and so on.

And ESA claims to have terabytes of imaging from the Mars Express; they have released counted images, they don't even want to do the massive censoring task, they way NASA does...


[edit on 22-9-2006 by brainsucker]

Thanks for this - I knew I wasn't alone in thinking this!

Ross

hey ross,
it might be helpful if you document in this thread the sum total of all vessels that have attempted to approach mars, the exact figures on how many were lost, vs how many were not, and nasa's explanation of why the lost vessels were lost

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1960
Marsnik 1 (Mars 1960A) - 10 October 1960 - Attempted Mars Flyby (Launch Failure)
Marsnik 2 (Mars 1960B) - 14 October 1960 - Attempted Mars Flyby (Launch Failure)
1961
1962
Sputnik 22 - 24 October 1962 - Attempted Mars Flyby
Mars 1 - 1 November 1962 - Mars Flyby (Contact Lost)
Sputnik 24 - 4 November 1962 - Attempted Mars Lander
1963
1964
Mariner 3 - 5 November 1964 - Attempted Mars Flyby
Mariner 4 - 28 November 1964 - Mars Flyby
Zond 2 - 30 November 1964 - Mars Flyby (Contact Lost)
1965
Zond 3 - 18 July 1965 - Lunar Flyby, Mars Test Vehicle
1966
1967
1968
1969
Mariner 6 - 25 February 1969 - Mars Flyby
Mariner 7 - 27 March 1969 - Mars Flyby
Mars 1969A - 27 March 1969 - Attempted Mars Orbiter (Launch Failure)
Mars 1969B - 2 April 1969 - Attempted Mars Orbiter (Launch Failure)
1970
1971
Mariner 8 - 8 May 1971 - Attempted Mars Flyby (Launch Failure)
Cosmos 419 - 10 May 1971 - Attempted Mars Orbiter/Lander
Mars 2 - 19 May 1971 - Mars Orbiter/ Attempted Lander
Mars 3 - 28 May 1971 - Mars Orbiter/ Lander
Mariner 9 - 30 May 1971 - Mars Orbiter
1972
1973
Mars 4 - 21 July 1973 - Mars Flyby (Attempted Mars Orbiter)
Mars 5 - 25 July 1973 - Mars Orbiter
Mars 6 - 5 August 1973 - Mars Lander (Contact Lost)
Mars 7 - 9 August 1973 - Mars Flyby (Attempted Mars Lander)
1974
1975
Viking 1 - 20 August 1975 - Mars Orbiter and Lander
Viking 2 - 9 September 1975 - Mars Orbiter and Lander
1976
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
Phobos 1 - 7 July 1988 - Attempted Mars Orbiter/Phobos Landers
Phobos 2 - 12 July 1988 - Mars Orbiter/Attempted Phobos Landers
1989
1990
1991
1992
Mars Observer - 25 September 1992 - Attempted Mars Orbiter (Contact Lost)
1993
1994
1995
1996
Mars Global Surveyor - 07 November 1996 - Mars Orbiter
Mars 96 - 16 November 1996 - Attempted Mars Orbiter/Landers
Mars Pathfinder - 04 December 1996 - Mars Lander and Rover
1997
1998
Nozomi (Planet-B) - 3 July 1998 - Mars Orbiter
Mars Climate Orbiter - 11 December 1998 - Attempted Mars Orbiter
1999
Mars Polar Lander - 3 January 1999 - Attempted Mars Lander
Deep Space 2 (DS2) - 3 January 1999 - Attempted Mars Penetrators
2000
2001
2001 Mars Odyssey - 7 April 2001 - Mars Orbiter
2002
2003
Mars Express - 2 June 2003 - Mars Orbiter and Lander
Spirit (MER-A) - 10 June 2003 - Mars Rover
Opportunity (MER-B) - 7 July 2003 - Mars Rover
2004
2005
Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter - 10 August 2005 - Mars Orbiter
2006
2007
Phoenix - 3 August 2007 - Small Mars Scout Lander
2008
2009
Mars 2009 - Late 2009 - Mars Science Laboratory Rover
2010
2011
Mars 2011 - 2011 - Scout Mission
2012

hope this helps

some other info on the probes
LAUNCH FROM PROBE RESULT
1962 USSR Mars 1 radio contact lost
traveled 60 million miles
1964 USA Mariner 3 failed to achieve Mars trajectory
1964 USA Mariner 4 passed within 6200 miles 7/14/65
22 photos
1964 USSR Zond 2 passed Mars 1965
sent no data
1965 USSR Zond 3 enroute to Mars
flew within 5717 miles of Moon
sent 25 photos of far side of Moon
1969 USA Mariner 6 passed within 2100 miles of Mars 7/31/69
photographed equator, sent 100 photos
measured surface temperature
measured atmosphere pressure and composition
1969 USA Mariner 7 passed within 2200 miles of Mars 8/5/69
photographed southern hemisphere
and polar ice cap, 100 photos
measured surface temperature
atmosphere pressure and composition
1971 USA Mariner 8 launch failure
1971 USSR Mars 2 entered Mars orbit 11/71
studied surface and atmosphere
landing capsule crashed
1971 USSR Mars 3 entered Mars orbit 12/71
studied surface and atmosphere
lander successful
stopped transmitting 2 minutes after landing
1971 USA Mariner 9 orbited Mars 11/13/71
two TV cameras, sent 7329 photos
entire surface mapped
photos of Phobos and Deimos
studied atmosphere and surface temperature
saw violent planet-wide dust storm 9/71
spacecraft was turned off 10/72
1973 USSR Mars 4 braking rocket failed, craft overshot Mars 2/74
1973 USSR Mars 5 entered Mars orbit 2/74, snapped photos
quit working after few days
1973 USSR Mars 6 flew past Mars 3/74
dropped lander which crashed
1973 USSR Mars 7 flew past Mars 3/74
dropped lander which missed planet
1975 USA Viking 1 orbited Mars 1976
two TV cameras, 26,000 photos
lander parachuted to surface 7/20/76
weather station, seismometer, soil analyzer
seismometer failed
TV showed red rocky surface
dusty pink sky, sand dunes
no large life forms
soil mostly silicon and iron
temps 20 degrees to -120 degrees
winds 30 mph
lander worked 6.5 years on surface
1975 USA Viking 2 orbited Mars 1976
two TV cameras, 26,000 photos
lander parachuted to surface 9/3/76
weather station, seismometer and soil analyzer
found wind and minor marsquakes
red rocky surface, dusty pink sky, sand dunes
no large life forms
soil mostly silicon and iron
temps -20 degrees to -120 degrees
30 mph winds
lander worked 3.5 years on surface
1988 USSR Phobos 1 left Earth 7/7/88, traveled 12 million of
111 million-mile route to Mars
accidentally turned off by ground control 8/29/88
now aimless in solar orbit
1988 USSR Phobos 2 left Earth 7/12/88, arrived Mars 1/29/89
mapped planet, found water vapor in atmosphere
took photos of moon Phobos
radio contact lost 3/27/89
unable to drop hopping lander on Phobos 4/89
1992 USA Mars
Observer launched 9/25/92, disappeared 8/21/93
three days before it was due to arrive at Mars
while preparing to brake to enter Mars orbit
1996 USA Mars
Global
Surveyor launched 11/7/96, arrived 9/12/97
mapping from 250 miles above Mars began 3/99
findings include signs of water under the surface
1996 Russia Mars 96 final stage failed in Earth orbit 11/17/96
failed to send craft on Mars trajectory
craft fell back to Earth
1996 USA Mars
Pathfinder launched 12/96, arrived 7/4/97, landed 7/4/97
very successful, highly popular Sojourner rover
Pathfinder worked until 9/27/97
Pathfinder returned 2.6 billion bits of information
including more than 16,000 lander images
550 Sojourner rover images
more than 15 chemical analyses of rocks
and data on winds and weather
1998 USA Mars
Climate
Orbiter launched 12/11/98, arrived 9/23/99
lost as it entered orbit around Mars
due to a math error by engineers who mixed
metric measurements (newtons) with
English units (pounds) to measure
the strength of thruster firings
1998 Japan Nozomi
Planet B launched 7/3/98, arrival 1/04
orbiter to study the planet's environment
first Japanese craft to reach another planet
1999 USA Mars
Polar
Lander launched 1/3/99, arrived 12/3/99
contact with Earth lost after presumed landing
also lost Deep Space 2 pair of penetrators
that were to have separated from Polar Lander
to puncture the surface 35 miles away
2001 USA Mars
Odyssey launched 4/7/01, arrived 10/24/01
to work in orbit through 8/04
mapping chemical elements and minerals
looking for hydrogen in subsurface water ice
relays communication for Mars landers
2003 ESA Mars
Express launched 6/2/03, arrival 1/04
Mars Express to study the planet from orbit and
drop Beagle 2 lander to explore the surface
2003 USA Mars
Exploration
Rover A to launch 6/03, arrival 1/04
to land and explore
2003 USA Mars
Exploration
Rover B

so what is the final tally of failed vs successful ?

what were nasa'a explanations ?

Here’s the way I look at it we the people of America Pay NASA we should be able with our SSN or other secure way be able to access all files and pictures related to space travel not the ones weeded through and censored each and every one of them! Like I said we own them. Its like buying a car and not being able to drive it wouldn’t that make you mad? Of coarse it would that’s what gets me people are ok with the fact that we are getting robbed each and every day from information that is OURS!!

I call it the pacifier effect give them a fake teat and everything is ok. Wake up America you cant eat chex without the milk!

I have often thought that all of the problems with the "rovers" on mars was a bit odd,yes.

Thanks for that info - I will discuss this on Friday's show

Ross

theres a video on google cant remember what it was called but remeber watching it.
it had a long rectangular object that got closer and closer to one of the saterlites that failed and them as it reached the saterlite it failed.
sorry i cant help anymore

now that I look at it I have to agree with you why would we lose so many vessels mysterisly and why do they have spend so much time telling us it would be impossible to live on mars though I have always found a little odd how we lose so many creations because of mars

[edit on 21-1-2007 by polterigeist]

yep, we have all heard of those things, bit strange, though nothing would surprise you about the amount of rubbish we are fed.

though there does seem to be alot of people that say there is life on mars, but i will only go as far as saying there was life there once, and that there must still be bacteria there.

but now that they have found a flow of water, we never know what to beleive.

I continue to be intrigued by what may lie BENEATH the surface of Mars. Possibly some kind of Subterranean life?

Ross

Sounds like a martian equivilant of "Missile Command"..lol...but seriously I tend to agree...the amount of failure of that many craft to that planet deserve inspection.

The distance from Earth to Mars varies from 36 to 250 million miles apparently, this makes it 144 to 1000 times the Earth to Moon distance.

A greater distance means a greater length of time journeying to Mars something like six months plus, although they hope fusion engines could bring it down to six weeks (yea right :lol

Space ain't no perfect vacuum there is a lot of crap there, so the chances of hitting something is not insignificant. The hostile environment up there ain't to good for sophisticated systems either.

So just picture a sophisticated bit of kit hurtling at great velocity for at least six months. That it gets to Mars at all is amazing to me.

All these failing landing elements of the missions have been sitting there cooped up for six months plus. Who knows what has happened in that time? Have micro-meteors struck at mission critical systems? Or has it been boarded by the ET equivalent of Captain Jack Sparrow looking for booty?

Fact is once it is assembled and packed up you are not going to know if it works till it gets there. It could be that some failures were already there in the craft. Maybe if they deployed it the day after assembly on Earth some may have failed. Perhaps some Tech forgot something, do you think they would admit it? "You guys are incompetent no more funding."

Maybe conspiracy theorists believe that there is a movement inside NASA sabotaging missions for the greater good of the the Reptilians or the Martian Imperial High Command (oh no not another conspiracy).

We have sophisticated systems failing in orbit near Earth, a walk in the park in spaceflight terms. A failure out there can be catastrophic, a 3 year parts and labour, anti corrosion policy might be good for a Toyota down here but no good on Mars!!

An interest thread!!!

So why allow some to go in to orbit and land and not others.

This would seem to be inconsistent. All or nothing.

I guess it will be some time before we know for sure - but my money is on some kind of intelligent life on Mars!

Ross

This is a very interesting thread.
More info please.

Although I saw a pretty cool comerical for the Transformers movie coming out in July were it landed and a giant robot stepped on it an the government hushed it up.

There are several explanation for it



1. The US is blowing them up on purpose to drag it out, while they strip mine the place.

2. They are working in conjuncture with the Marsian populace, because we are to fragile to handle the existance of aliens



3. We just don't have the juice to do something so complicated with out a few screw up now and then



4. We are being sabataged by a foreign government like North korea, Iran, China, France, etc.