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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
why not remove guns all together to STOP armed robbery, instead of arming more people to the teeth
Mark Allen Wilson (January 20, 1953 – February 24, 2005) was a Tyler, Texas man killed during a shooting outside the Smith County Courthouse in Tyler, Texas. He entered an ongoing gun battle between David Hernandez Arroyo Sr., who had attempted earlier to kill his wife and son, and law enforcement officers. Wilson was killed at close quarters by Arroyo after firing and hitting Arroyo several times. Wilson had no affiliations, professional or otherwise, with law enforcement, and acted solely as a private citizen during the shootout. Arroyo was later killed by gunfire from police officers.
why not remove guns all together to STOP armed robbery, instead of arming more people to the teeth
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
and again I never said I HOPE IT HAPPENS. I HATE THAT BS.
I hope no one dies.
But eveantually if u stock guns in the house an accident will happen.
and when your in hospital grieving, as sorry as I am.. i will still say the only positive to emerge is that guns will be though of VERY DIFFERENTLY in many circles as a result.
[edit on 21-9-2006 by Agit8dChop]
It may be a reflection on human nature, that such devices should be necessary to control the abuses of government. But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.
Heckman thats a good point,
But dont people live iwth that fact every dya of there life?
Not every citizen is a armed crook,
and police and other agencies tend ot have a good grasp on controlly majority of issues.
but because theres a chance a maniac round the corner has a gun in his pants, doesn't mean you should be armed too.
when u walk past, he's not going to just shoot you.
but when you present a gun, your both shooting for your life.
America will never be in a stae where citizens need to take up arms and destory the govenrment.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
If guns were tighened, they would be limited to a knife, a pat, or finding some black market hand gun.
And your story depicts nothing but innocent people dying, by people whom have guns... i dont see how your stating a case that guns being on the streets is good.
wouldnt limiting gun use of prevented this from the begining ?
but becuase theres a chance a maniac round the corner has a gun in his pants, doesnt mean you should be armed too.
when u walk past, he's not going to just shoot you.
but when you present a gun, your both shooting for your life.
America will never be in a stae where citizens need to take up arms and destory the govenrment.
Its a fantasy epicted as an excuse.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
First, fair enough you dont drink enough to be in that state.
But im sure there ARE gun owners out there whom doo.
Just last night i woke up after a nightmare... and swear i had someone standing over me.
Had I had a gun under the bed... in a safe place .. i would of surely pulled it out... and atleast aimed it... simply because at that moment, when the adrenalin kicked in felt i was in danger.
Without equal, I woudl ask you refrain from calling me a 'pr1ck and a w@nker ' breach of t'cs there mate..
And it shows class when you abuse someone in that means, when they from the begining have been civil in a mature and just debate.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
When people cheer and praise there system which allows them to buy automatic rifles simply for display, and recreational use, it shows the insanity and stupidity of mankind in its fight for survival.
I still cringe when I think about the american who debated taking a GUN To church is AOK simply because the law allows me to do it.
We are humans before we are citizens,
and owning a machine that can murder and maime INNOCENT people in truley tragic and unforseen circumstances is a haneous crime against humanity.
I beleive in self defense, and a countries right to arm itself.
But when regular citizens are allowed to buy an AK47 for there HOUSE, it borders on the verge of insanity.
If you want to defend yourself? Learn a martial art, do some weights and avoid troublesome area's where there's greater chance you'll be mugged.
If you want to increase the chances at which your family members are accidently shot and killed.. then go buy urself an AK47 and leave it in your house.
Unfrigggen believable that anyone can debate 'for' having guns, and automatics simply for fun.
I'm about 6ft tall and over 200 lbs. I've worked as a bouncer in clubs and raves in both the US and the UK. I can hold my own in most self-defense situation but I know one that I cannot : when someone who has a gun and is determined to do some one harm. The only response to some one with a firearm is another firearm. If you're a 5 ft tall and 100 lb woman, no level of martial arts is going to protect you from mulitple large male attackers except a firearm. A firearm will only give a determined attacker(s) pause if they're intent on doing you harm.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
When people cheer and praise there system which allows them to buy automatic rifles simply for display, and recreational use, it shows the insanity and stupidity of mankind in its fight for survival.
I still cringe when I think about the american who debated taking a GUN To church is AOK simply because the law allows me to do it.
We are humans before we are citizens,
and owning a machine that can murder and maime INNOCENT people in truley tragic and unforseen circumstances is a haneous crime against humanity.
I beleive in self defense, and a countries right to arm itself.
But when regular citizens are allowed to buy an AK47 for there HOUSE, it borders on the verge of insanity.
If you want to defend yourself? Learn a martial art, do some weights and avoid troublesome area's where there's greater chance you'll be mugged.
If you want to increase the chances at which your family members are accidently shot and killed.. then go buy urself an AK47 and leave it in your house.
Unfrigggen believable that anyone can debate 'for' having guns, and automatics simply for fun.
you are right your not alone the day they try that is the day we have another civil war.
Originally posted by kozmo
As an American, a GUN OWNING American, I can assure you that this would NEVER happen. First of all, any attempt to tinker with the 2nd Ammendement to the Constitution of the United States of America will get alot of politicians in hot water, if not killed.
That cute little act you saw play out in NO will never occur again as a law was recently passed that forbids it. Second to that, they're gonna need to find a way to pry my guns out of my dead, rigormortised hands before they get them away from me - and I am hardly alone in that sentiment.
Sure, gun control works - just ask any dictator! Which is exactly WHY we have the 2nd Ammendment and why people like me will die defending it!
[edit on 21-9-2006 by kozmo]
Greenleaf, Idaho -- All Americans have the right to bear arms. Some towns have even gone as far as to require each household to have a gun. Now a small Idaho town is contemplating a similar idea-- it's called the Civil Emergencies Ordinance. And although gun ownership is just one piece of this ordinance, it's the part that's getting the most attention.
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Unfricken believeable that american citizens are willing to revolt and cause internal civil war if the government decided to change its laws and ban households from having murderous weapons, in the form of guns.
BUT Lord behold if this same government changes its laws so it can spy on its citizens, invade and occupy other countries and allow some ruthless acts of terror to occur.. we jee's thats not worthy of a revolt.. we'll just argue over that one.
Where are your priorities americans?
Obviously, you'd rather have a gun in your hands than a peace dove flying over head,
so its no wonder the rest of the world wants to kill you.
What positive effect are you having on the human race?
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Your right, it is your country.
But I bet Iraq doesnt appreciate that little statement.
Being your country is the 'beacon of peace' the front runners for world unity.
I dont understand why you all need guns.
Although, there is one distinct advantage of americans owning guns.
There's so damn many of you, so damn patriotic at times its hard to distinguish which one is a complete and utter t0$$er, and which one is atleast level headed enough to have a civilised conversation with and gain a friend.
I should write to a backpackers book and give them an idea in distinguishing between decent worth american friends, or typical american t055ers
1. What would you do, if the government decided guns in the home wasnt such a good idea, and that the country should start heading for a gunfree society
If your new found friend answers
A: Hell no, ill pull out my 9 and cap any MOFO that tries to take my 2nd ammendmant right.
The its obvious the sorta american he is
If he answers
B: Maybe these murdering machines in the hands of any member of society isnt such a good idea.. and a gun free america might actually be safe
then you sorta realise he has BRAINS, and wants a PEACEFUL SOCIETY.
Im not bashing any of you.
Im giving you my personal opinion on people whom answer my theoretical question.
Im not bashing america its a beautiful prosperous country
Im bashing the total nutters whom regard not having a gun as the end of the world.
I never praised anyone... But your worldwide use of force is starting to shift the global consensus about your country.
You mightnt care..
but i found in my journeys around the world lately that americans are the butt of all jokes,
the target of all street harrasment
and the grime on peoples shoes
soley because they believe guns, bombs and force is the answer to everything.
I know im not going to change any of your minds..
Unforunately that wont happen until one of your guns accidently discharges in your childs face when he finds it.
Originally posted by JackJuice
I thought this would be interesting to add to the discussion.
Greenleaf, Idaho -- All Americans have the right to bear arms. Some towns have even gone as far as to require each household to have a gun. Now a small Idaho town is contemplating a similar idea-- it's called the Civil Emergencies Ordinance. And although gun ownership is just one piece of this ordinance, it's the part that's getting the most attention.
Proposed ordinance requires guns in the house.
Seems in some places the local government wants it's people armed. Smart if you ask me