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The New World As Seen By Hugo Chavez
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After agreeing to supply oil at a discount to London, to help its low income residents use public transportation Hugo Chavez is also providing
discounted heating oil for the poor in several northeastern U.S. cities including New York. But Chavez is not stopping there, now he is offering to
aid the oil and cash rich state of Alaska by providing free or subsidized heating oil. In what is supposed to be the richest most powerful country in
the world, federal and state governments are providing fewer basic services that the modern world has available.
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Even without federal help, Alaska easily has enough resources and plenty of oil inside its borders to help its most needy if it chooses to. Currently the state has a Permanent Fund of $34 billion and a $2 billion budget reserve fund for a population of about 660,000 people. Still, each winter thousands of Alaskans can't afford to buy enough heating oil, especially since its price rose so dramatically in the past few years. Alaska has its own federally funded Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program, but it's woefully underfunded and unable to provide enough help. So if the state and federal government won't do the job, Hugo Chavez said he would step in with financial aid through Venezuela's state-owned oil company PDVSA's subsidiary CITGO Petroleum Corporation. The money will be donated to state Native non-profit organizations as part of a greater effort that will also help other communities in the state. It's also one part of CITGO's overall program to provide 5 - 10 million gallons of heating oil to help Native Americans nationwide. The goal is to help thousands of poor Alaskans and Native Americans in other states stay warm in the winter in cases where they're unable to get help any other way.
Think of it. Tiny Venezuela has a population of about 27 million people that's 1/12th the size of the US. And it had a 2005 Gross Domestic Product of about $160 billion that's less than 2% of the US GDP of $12.5 trillion last year and less than half of oil giant Exxon-Mobil's $371 billion 2005 sales volume. Still Hugo Chavez is willing to share his nation's oil and financial resources so those in need in the US can get some of the help its own government won't provide and help other nations as well that don't have enough ability to do it themselves. Don't ever expect Exxon-Mobil to offer aid as its game plan is to manipulate oil prices for maximum sales and profit growth with little or no regard for social responsibility that would only lower them.
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This is the same Chavez that called Bush bad names at the U.N. And hear he is offering help to the poor people in the same nation. This makes me wonder what is the U.S. supposed to think of him. I do not know exactly how much help has really come from his country, or how much of it has gotten to the people in need. But if anything has been given it is of coarse appreciated. The article goes on to talk about how elections in the U.S. are rigged for which ever party is in power. Tax cuts for the rich and crack down on civil liberties. Clearly a one sided article but a pretty good read about current politics if you want to take the time.
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Even without federal help, Alaska easily has enough resources and plenty of oil inside its borders to help its most needy if it chooses to. Currently the state has a Permanent Fund of $34 billion and a $2 billion budget reserve fund for a population of about 660,000 people. Still, each winter thousands of Alaskans can't afford to buy enough heating oil, especially since its price rose so dramatically in the past few years. Alaska has its own federally funded Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program, but it's woefully underfunded and unable to provide enough help. So if the state and federal government won't do the job, Hugo Chavez said he would step in with financial aid through Venezuela's state-owned oil company PDVSA's subsidiary CITGO Petroleum Corporation. The money will be donated to state Native non-profit organizations as part of a greater effort that will also help other communities in the state. It's also one part of CITGO's overall program to provide 5 - 10 million gallons of heating oil to help Native Americans nationwide. The goal is to help thousands of poor Alaskans and Native Americans in other states stay warm in the winter in cases where they're unable to get help any other way.
Think of it. Tiny Venezuela has a population of about 27 million people that's 1/12th the size of the US. And it had a 2005 Gross Domestic Product of about $160 billion that's less than 2% of the US GDP of $12.5 trillion last year and less than half of oil giant Exxon-Mobil's $371 billion 2005 sales volume. Still Hugo Chavez is willing to share his nation's oil and financial resources so those in need in the US can get some of the help its own government won't provide and help other nations as well that don't have enough ability to do it themselves. Don't ever expect Exxon-Mobil to offer aid as its game plan is to manipulate oil prices for maximum sales and profit growth with little or no regard for social responsibility that would only lower them.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
This is the same Chavez that called Bush bad names at the U.N. And hear he is offering help to the poor people in the same nation. This makes me wonder what is the U.S. supposed to think of him. I do not know exactly how much help has really come from his country, or how much of it has gotten to the people in need. But if anything has been given it is of coarse appreciated. The article goes on to talk about how elections in the U.S. are rigged for which ever party is in power. Tax cuts for the rich and crack down on civil liberties. Clearly a one sided article but a pretty good read about current politics if you want to take the time.
Related News Links:
english.aljazeera.net
www.jpost.com
www.indystar.com
Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
Hugo Chavez speaking at the UN Against American Imperialism and Bush the Devil
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If I were offered free oil, I'd smile and take it, and call him the chump he really is as soon as his back was turned.
Who is he kidding? After all, he stole the oil from the companies he nationalized. "Robin Hood Chavez". Yeah, that's it.
Who is he kidding? After all, he stole the oil from the companies he nationalized. "Robin Hood Chavez". Yeah, that's it.
I think this shows that Chavez hates the president, and government, but generally likes the avaerage American, and the American people.
Stole?!
Please, the corporations have no right to it if the sovereign state
they are being allowed to work in decides otherwise.
Corporations IMO, have no rights, the people do.
Who is he kidding? After all, he stole the oil from the companies he nationalized. "Robin Hood Chavez". Yeah, that's it.
Stole?!
Please, the corporations have no right to it if the sovereign state
they are being allowed to work in decides otherwise.
Corporations IMO, have no rights, the people do.
Originally posted by iori_komei
I think this shows that Chavez hates the president, and government, but generally likes the avaerage American, and the American people.
Who is he kidding? After all, he stole the oil from the companies he nationalized. "Robin Hood Chavez". Yeah, that's it.
Stole?!
Please, the corporations have no right to it if the sovereign state
they are being allowed to work in decides otherwise.
Corporations IMO, have no rights, the people do.
Iori,
I dont know enuff about Chavez to make any sort of informed decishen but at this point I think I would half to disagree with your former statment but perhaps agree your latter one.
Hm, interesting.
Made me think of a few things.
What are dictators. People who get their power from the poor. He seems to be saying things about our President while attempting to gain support from the poor.
Made me think of a few things.
What are dictators. People who get their power from the poor. He seems to be saying things about our President while attempting to gain support from the poor.
Originally posted by Omniscient
What are dictators. People who get their power from the poor. He seems to be saying things about our President while attempting to gain support from the poor.
Omniscient,
Yes that is just what I was thinking also.
There is another thred titled "chavez is the one to watch" I think that may be a very true statment.
I guess time will tell.
Chavez comes over here and talks trash. So does A-to-Z. Yet in their own country, their citizens are not permitted to say similar things about
their gov'ts.
And people buy Chavez's BS about being the great benefactor. How naive can you be? Most of his people live below the poverty line, and he supports terrorism in Colombia and other places:
Great benefactor, eh?
You can try to pretty it up with "people's rights" rhetoric, but nationalization is theft, regardless of how much lipstick you put on that pig.
You can't polish a turd.
And people buy Chavez's BS about being the great benefactor. How naive can you be? Most of his people live below the poverty line, and he supports terrorism in Colombia and other places:
Indeed, the latest poverty figures from Venezuela’s official National Institute of Statistics — buried in a mountain of figures deep in the bowels of its Internet site, www.ine.gov.ve — contain the most damning condemnation of the Chávez government I have seen anywhere.
The figures, on Page 5 of the Institute’s Social Report, show that poverty in Venezuela rose from 43 percent to 54 percent of the population during Chávez’s first four years in office. And extreme poverty — the percentage of the population that lives on less than $1 a day — grew from 17 percent to 25 percent during the same period, the figures show.
These are stunning figures, not only because Chávez is going around Latin America proclaiming to be heading a ‘’Bolivarian revolution'’ to help the poor, but also because the rise in poverty during his tenure has taken place at the very time when Venezuela has been benefiting from its greatest oil boom in recent history.
www.publiuspundit.com...
Great benefactor, eh?
from iori_komei
Stole?!
Please, the corporations have no right to it if the sovereign state
they are being allowed to work in decides otherwise.
Corporations IMO, have no rights, the people do.
You can try to pretty it up with "people's rights" rhetoric, but nationalization is theft, regardless of how much lipstick you put on that pig.
You can't polish a turd.
Hugo's Big Lies
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Tin pot dictator with all the rhetoric the Hollywood liberal types love to champion. So Danny Glover raises Hugo's hand up like he's some kind of hero.
Sheesh.
Exerpt-
Chavez has said the United States is "afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices," yet Chavez has suffocated all dissent in his own backyard. Beyond rewriting the Constitution to bolster his legal power, he's passed a law banning "the use of language deemed to be insulting to the President of the Republic." Indeed, any expression of dissent, public or in private, against any public official is punishable with prison.
Francisco Usón - a former minister in Chavez's own Cabinet - recently drew a six-year jail term for expressing an opinion on television. Carlos Ortega - the president of Venezuela's AFL-CIO-affiliated federation of workers - got a 16-year sentence for instigating a legal strike despite protests by the International Labor Organization of this unspeakable violation of human rights. (Ortega escaped from prison last month.)
Tin pot dictator with all the rhetoric the Hollywood liberal types love to champion. So Danny Glover raises Hugo's hand up like he's some kind of hero.
Sheesh.
Talk to the middle and upper class down there - Chavez's policies have killed off much of the middle and investment from those people with the
capital to do so. The money is moving out and Chavez has to use government money to prop up the economy. All good if you have some oil money to play
with but very bad in the long run.
Like any other benelovant dictator, he's lining his pockets and the pockets of those around him with popular support from the poor who have no clue about the ultimate outcome and harm that it will do well after he's gone....
Name me one country, run as Chavez does, with a strong and vibrant economy..??
Like any other benelovant dictator, he's lining his pockets and the pockets of those around him with popular support from the poor who have no clue about the ultimate outcome and harm that it will do well after he's gone....
Name me one country, run as Chavez does, with a strong and vibrant economy..??
I don't too much care for his demonization of the president, but if he is actually offering to do this for the U.S, I have to applaud him.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Chavez comes over here and talks trash. So does A-to-Z. Yet in their own country, their citizens are not permitted to say similar things about their gov'ts.
And people buy Chavez's BS about being the great benefactor. How naive can you be? Most of his people live below the poverty line, and he supports terrorism in Colombia and other places:
Jsobecky,
That is some good information thanks a lot for posting it!!
And that help some up the kind of person he is. But I wonder how much of this information will get out to the public.
the fact that Chavez does these things should give you more credibility in his speech. He sees bush as a bigger image of himself and he is afraid of
bush because he knows what he is capable of and thus what bush is capable of. He knows that if bush carries out hiw NWO venezula and his leadership
will cease to exist.
You can try to pretty it up with "people's rights" rhetoric, but nationalization
is theft, regardless of how much lipstick you put on that pig.
I said nothing about people's rights, not that i don't believe in rights,
indeed I am a proponwent of individual rights.
It's not theft, it belongs to the nation, they are allowing the corporations to
use it, and if they decide they don't want to let them anymore, than the corporation has no right to say anything about it.
In my opinion, any corporation that did, should be totally destryoed.
Originally posted by iori_komei
It's not theft, it belongs to the nation, they are allowing the corporations to
use it, and if they decide they don't want to let them anymore, than the corporation has no right to say anything about it.
In my opinion, any corporation that did, should be totally destryoed.
Iori,
I think you have a good ideal there, but in this world we have today, I think that the corporation tend to control the government a little bit to much. What is hapening with the oil is just one example.
[edit on 22-9-2006 by RedGolem]
Well, if the corporation has contracts, has spent money to set up the infrastructure and equipment, it is really just theft and dishonest. Don't get
me wrong, I HATE corporations with a passion - I just feel that socialism like that just turns the gov't into a corporation.
Originally posted by RedGolem
I think that the corporation tend to control the government a little bit to much. What is hapening with the oil is just one example.
[edit on 22-9-2006 by RedGolem]
And what better way than having the government run the companies,
as Chavez has done.
Originally posted by iori_komei
And what better way than having the government run the companies,
as Chavez has done.
Iror,
Yet again you have made a very pricise and correct statment
Yes when you are a dictator you do run everything, but I dont know enuff about the government of Chavez to know how much power he has.
See, I used to like Chavez. He's all about helping the poor, getting his nanny state on. or at least that's what I thought. These new relevations
are certainly alarming. How do other South American states view him? Well, the non-narco states, at any rate?
As for the nationalization, well, that'll kill the bussiness won't it? Make his people poorer by a long shot. Corporations, especially ones dealing with the refining or extraction of natural resources aren't going to want to go anywhere NEAR Venezuela for a long time. I mean, who's going to want to invest in a company when the government's just going to jack all your hard work?
EDIT: As for Alaska, I've got to wonder how cheap it is to get heating fuel shipped anywhere in the state outside of major cities. I spent a week or so up north at my grandmother's cottage chopping wood because it's a damn sight cheaper.
DE
[edit on 22-9-2006 by DeusEx]
As for the nationalization, well, that'll kill the bussiness won't it? Make his people poorer by a long shot. Corporations, especially ones dealing with the refining or extraction of natural resources aren't going to want to go anywhere NEAR Venezuela for a long time. I mean, who's going to want to invest in a company when the government's just going to jack all your hard work?
EDIT: As for Alaska, I've got to wonder how cheap it is to get heating fuel shipped anywhere in the state outside of major cities. I spent a week or so up north at my grandmother's cottage chopping wood because it's a damn sight cheaper.
DE
[edit on 22-9-2006 by DeusEx]
Back to Mussolini:
Communism is when the government owns the corporations; capitalism is when the corporations own the government.
Flip sides of the same coin.
I just like Chavez cuz he's a little guy with big cajones - and he's not afraid to put his own neck on the line. Unlike his counterpart in the USA.
Communism is when the government owns the corporations; capitalism is when the corporations own the government.
Flip sides of the same coin.
I just like Chavez cuz he's a little guy with big cajones - and he's not afraid to put his own neck on the line. Unlike his counterpart in the USA.
Yes when you are a dictator you do run everything, but I dont know enough about the government of Chavez to know how much power he has.
It's been awhile since I did research, so I don't know how much the
Venezuelan government may have changed, but the last time I checked,
he was democraatically elected, and elections are coming up soon,
and there's an 80/20 chance he'll win.
I don't know the defintion of dictator, so if anything he's a democratically
elected leader that has to be reelected every 6 years I think.
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