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posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 10:19 AM
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The mig 25r foxbat-b is the 4th fastest plane.this plane was built to intercept when in the b-70 project.b-70 is capable of carrying nuclear armament to the soviets.
the b-70 project was abandoned though the mig-25 project continued.it was then made the fastest fighter plane




posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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So what's your point?



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by phsyco
The mig 25r foxbat-b is the 4th fastest plane.this plane was built to intercept when in the b-70 project.b-70 is capable of carrying nuclear armament to the soviets.
the b-70 project was abandoned though the mig-25 project continued.it was then made the fastest fighter plane



Then we made a plane like the mig 25.

The secret was the long intakes that reduced turbulent air flow, so then
we could have a fast plane too. It takes a science or scientist.

The MIG21 almost wiped out bombing plans over korea, mig21 could get to
our bombers.

Mig21 designed by Germans, BMW plant ?, we left behind and Russia captured.

One designer went to Argentina and made a plane for their air force.

I do not know where the Horton brothers went, Northrup ?, they made
a flying wing. They had plans for a six engine wing headed to America
with an a bomb or n (neutron) bomb? Yes, but subs got so close to US
shores a plane would not be needed for that.

Are we winning at science? Follow Einstein down the tubes, its not quanta
its resonant frequency. Its not the process, its a probability model.

I wonder if real scientists read Einstein?

More praise for Einstein

Guess so.



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 11:56 AM
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what an absolute pile of drivel



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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It's one of my life-ambitions to go for a flight in one of these birds...$20,000 for 4 days with these guys



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by timski
It's one of my life-ambitions to go for a flight in one of these birds...$20,000 for 4 days with these guys


Um in that link it says this: '' You will fly from the top-secret Zhukovsky Air Base.''


Doesn’t Top secret mean no one knows it exists except the people who need to know ?
And if that’s the case there are going to be some pissed Generals when they find out what’s going on at there So called top secret base!

ok If you can fly a mig 29 from a ''top-secret'' air base for 20,000 how much to fly the F22 from Area 51 ?



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by waynos
what an absolute pile of drivel



thank you waynos for that insight. I'm glad to see you maintaining your ability to put something useful after that. Seriously dude I hold high respect for you but that was out of line in my book. However I liked the Foxbat..but didnt they have to swap out the engines after every mach 3 burn?



posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by truttseeker

Originally posted by waynos
what an absolute pile of drivel



thank you waynos for that insight. I'm glad to see you maintaining your ability to put something useful after that. Seriously dude I hold high respect for you but that was out of line in my book.


What he said.


However I liked the Foxbat..but didnt they have to swap out the engines after every mach 3 burn?


Foxbat was a really nice plane. It's like the F-15's big brother (sort of). Kind of makes me think F-15E on speed steroids. That being said after every mach 3 interception/burn they'd either have to replace the engines or fix 'em for a long time. It may be a fast fox, but it's not meant to be quite that fast.

Someone else brought up the Incredible Adventures. I was looking at that a few days ago, and the second I pony up the cash that's the first on my list. Two planes I wanna go around in for sure- the Flanker and the Foxbat. If possible the Fulcrum, too, but the Flanker and Foxbat for sure.



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by truttseeker

Originally posted by waynos
what an absolute pile of drivel



thank you waynos for that insight. I'm glad to see you maintaining your ability to put something useful after that. Seriously dude I hold high respect for you but that was out of line in my book. However I liked the Foxbat..but didnt they have to swap out the engines after every mach 3 burn?


Fair comment chaps (you too darkpr0) My only excuse is that I was posting from my phone and I intended to add to the post later but got distracted so I will add my reasons here.

I wasn't actually dissing the Foxbat, I have always found it to be an impressive design, especially given that its development was begun in the 1950's. It was a really forward looking aerodynamic layout for its day and you only have to look at US designs from the late 60's/early 70's to confirm that.

The original poster made a mistake however, the Foxbat he describes wasn't designed to intercept anything, it was a recce aircraft developed in tandem with the Foxbat A interceptor.

My scorn was entirely aimed at the post claiming that the MiG 21 was designed by the Germans, even the MiG 15 wasn't designed by the Germans and the notion that MiG were incapable of coming up with the MiG 21 by themselves is laughable. Likewise the Horten/Northrop speculation that seems to suggest a direct link between the B-2 and the German brothers, ignoring the facts that Northrops flying wing work extends back to before WW2, plus the fact that the link between the B-2 and Northrops own B-35/B-49 programme is, at best, tenuous.

As for the rest of that particular post, I'm still trying to figure out whats its trying to say (but I know about Kurt Tank going to Argentina, thanks)


[edit on 22-9-2006 by waynos]



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 05:37 AM
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# Plane Top Speed Max. Altitude
1. X-43 (Unmanned) Mach 9.8 110,000 feet
2. X-15 Mach 6.72 354,200 feet
The X-15 is the fastest manned aircraft in the world.
3. SR-71 Blackbird (YF-12) Mach 3.2+ 85,000+ feet
The SR-71 Blackbird is the fastest airplane in the world.
4. MiG-25R Foxbat-B Mach 3.2 123,524 feet
4. X-2 Mach 3.2 126,200 feet
5. XB-70 Valkyrie Mach 3.1 77,350 feet
6. MiG-31 Foxhound Mach 2.83 67,600 feet
7. MiG-25 Foxbat (Ye-155) Mach 2.8 118,900 feet
8. F-15 Eagle Mach 2.5 60,000 feet
8. F-111 Aardvark Mach 2.5 60,000+ feet
9. X-1 Mach 2.435 90,440 feet
10. Su-24 Fencer Mach 2.4 57,400 feet
11. Tu-144 Charger Mach 2.35 59,055 feet
11. MiG-23 Flogger Mach 2.35 60,700 feet
11. Su-27 Flanker Mach 2.35 59,055 feet
12. F-14A Tomcat Mach 2.34 58,000+ feet
13. F-106 Delta Dart Mach 2.31 57,000 feet
14. IAI Kfir Mach 2.3 75,000 feet
14. English Electric Lightning Mach 2.3 60,000 feet
14. MiG-29 Fulcrum Mach 2.3 59,060 feet
14. F-107 Ultra Sabre Mach 2.3 48,000 feet
15. Tornado ADV Mach 2.2 69,997 feet
15. F-4 Phantom Mach 2.2 62,250 feet
15. Mirage 2000 Mach 2.2 59,055 feet
15. F-104 Starfighter Mach 2.2 58,000 feet
(120,800 feet NF-104A)
15. B-58 Hustler Mach 2.2 64,800 feet
16. F-105 Thunderchief Mach 2.1 52,000 feet
16. A-5 Vigilante Mach 2.1 52,100 feet
17. Su-22 Mach 2.09 59,055 feet
18. Tu-160 Blackjack Mach 2.05 49,200 feet
18. MiG-21 Fishbed Mach 2.05 50,000 feet
18. Concorde Mach 2.05 60,000 feet
19. D558-2 Skystreak Mach 2.005 83,235 feet
20. YF-23 Black Widow II Mach 2 (AB) 65,000 feet
20. F-20 Tigershark Mach 2+ 55,000 feet
20. YF-17 Cobra Mach 2+ 50,000 feet
21. Saab JAS 39 Gripen Mach 2 50,000 feet
21. F-16 Fighting Falcon Mach 2 50,000+ feet
21. Saab 37 Viggen Mach 2 60,039 feet
21. Saab 35 Draken Mach 2 65,600 feet
22. Tu-22M Backfire Mach 1.88 43,635 feet
22. F-14B/D Tomcat Mach 1.88 53,000+ feet
23. Su-34 Mach 1.8 45,890 feet
23. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Mach 1.8 50,000+ feet
23. F-22 Raptor Mach 1.8 (AB) 50,000 feet
24. XF-104 Starfighter Mach 1.79 58,000 feet
25. F-8 Crusader Mach 1.72 58,000 feet
26. F-101B Voodoo Mach 1.66 52,100 feet
27. X-29 FSW Mach 1.6 50,000 feet
28. Tu-22 Blinder Mach 1.52 48,228 feet
28. XF8U-1 Crusader Mach 1.52 58,000 feet
29. SEPECAT Jaguar Mach 1.5 45,930 feet
30. F-5 Freedom Fighter Mach 1.4 50,700 feet
31. F-100 Super Sabre Mach 1.3 51,000 feet
32. X-31 EFMI Mach 1.28 40,000 feet
33. B-1b Lancer Mach 1.25 50,000+ feet
34. F-102 Delta Dagger Mach 1.23 55,000 feet
35. T-38 Talon Mach 1.22 55,000+ feet
36. XF-90 Mach 1.1 39,000 feet
37. MiG-17 Fresco Mach 1.05 52,366 feet
38. F-86 Sabre Mach 1.04 50,800 feet
39. F-117 Nighthawk High Subsonic 45,000 feet
40. AV-8B Harrier II Mach 0.98 41,700+ feet
41. F-94 Starfire Mach 0.97 51,800 feet
42. A-6 Intruder Mach 0.94 42,400 feet
43. Saab 32 Lansen Mach 0.93 52,500 feet
44. F-80 Shooting Star Mach 0.88 46,800 feet
45. BAe Nimrod 2000 Mach 0.87 42,000 feet
46. B-52 Stratofortress Mach 0.86 55,000 feet
47. U-2 Dragon Lady Mach 0.8 90,000 feet
48. C-5 Galaxy Mach 0.79 35,750 feet
49. C-141 Starlifter Mach 0.77 41,600 feet
49. C-17 Globemaster III Mach 0.77 45,000 feet
50. B-2 Spirit Mach 0.72 50,000+ feet
50. P-3 Orion Mach 0.72 28,300 feet

www.globalaircraft.org...

this is the list.by the way.waynos a little misunderstanding between the foxbat a and foxbat-b.and another question.why was the b-70 project cancelled



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[edit on 24-9-2006 by pantha]



posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 09:45 AM
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No problem. The XB-70 was cancelled for the same reason that RAF Bomber Command aircraft adopted camouflage in the 1960's. It was realised that the concept of a fast high flying bomber was now out of date due to the huge advances in SAM technology and the emphasis switched to low level under the radar attacks, for which a large slender mach 3 aircraft like the B-70 would be entirely unsuitable.

A little known concept to turn Concorde into a bomber for the RAF, to fulfil a similar role to the XB-70, bit the dust at the same time.



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posted on Sep, 22 2006 @ 11:48 PM
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and thats why the b-70 project was cancelled.and the part of the foxbat engine replacement arfter mach 3 flight anyone got any info?



posted on Sep, 24 2006 @ 01:28 AM
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posted on Sep, 24 2006 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3

Any still in service around the world?

i dont think so the mig 31 was built to replace it. it had low level performance and dogfighting capabilities(exept the speed)amazingly the 1st kill of the plane was a US f/a 18C hornet shot down by an iraqi mig 25 in 17th january 1991.the improvement was demanded in 1987.
there is a lot of foxbats.


KNOWN VARIANTS:
Ye-155R-1 Prototype of reconnaissance model
Ye-155P-1 Prototype of interceptor model
MiG-25P Foxbat-A First production interceptor model armed with up to four air-to-air missiles
MiG-25R Foxbat-B First production reconnaissance model carrying cameras, sensors, and ECM equipment
MiG-25RBV Foxbat-B unknown
MiG-25RBT Foxbat-B unknown
MiG-25U Foxbat-C Two-seat trainer with instructor seated in separate raised cockpit
MiG-25PU Foxbat-C Two-seat trainer
MiG-25RU Foxbat-C Two-seat trainer
MiG-25RB Foxbat-D Reconnaissance model with secondary bombing capability, in service by 1970
MiG-25RBK Foxbat-D Improved recon-bomber with different cameras and new electronic information equipment
MiG-25RBS Foxbat-D unknown
MiG-25RBSh Foxbat-D Recon-bomber carrying anti-surface missiles
MiG-25RF Foxbat-D unknown
MiG-25PD Foxbat-E Improved interceptor with upgraded engines and radar, 200 'A' models rebuilt to 'E' standard
MiG-25PDS Foxbat-E unknown
MiG-25BM Foxbat-F Defense supression model based on 25RB, lengthened nose, ECM equipment in place of recon module, armed with Kh-58 anti-radiation missiles for use against SAM sites

KNOWN COMBATRECORD:

Lebanon (Syria, 1982)
Gulf War (Iraq, 1991)
Iraq - Operation Southern Watch (Iraq, 1991-present)
Iraq - Operation Desert Fox (Iraq, 1998)


www.flymig.com...

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posted on Sep, 24 2006 @ 07:16 AM
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Ah yes the FA-18 C hornet incident.
Has this been discussed before on ATS?
ACIG tags it as a confirmed kill:



The team of ACIG.org researchers obtained exclusive materials describing the interception of an USN F/A-18 Hornet aircraft by an IrAF MiG-25PD at exactly the time and in place where the plane flown by Lt.Cdr. Speicher was shot down, in the early morning of 17 January 1991. Considering the available evidence, we are now convinced that Lt.Cdr. Speicher was shot down by an Iraqi MiG-25 "Foxbat", using a single R-40/AA-6 Acrid missile - despite explanations by other IrAF pilots we interviewed previously, that none of them would know about any Iraqi pilot to have scored an air-to-air kill against Coalition aircraft during this war.
Source: Iraqi Air to Air Victories since 1967



posted on Sep, 24 2006 @ 07:39 AM
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you mean no other piolet have set eyes on the piolet who scored the kill.isnt the command supposed to know about the engagement?
at this rate im not suprised.but hte foxbats are notw practically out of production.
now since that the 31 was created.super radars enough to detect the raptor(sort of)
in wich case there is no use for the foxbat sice the foxhound was desinged.still the kill of the hornet havent heard much.get me in the details and ill se what i can do



posted on Sep, 24 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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And what will you do with details?!

The reason why the pilots may deny or hush-hush the whole thing if it ever happened is probably because the USAF claimed a perfect/clean A2A combat record in both desert storm and GWII?
Also the name of the pilot has been withheld on the kill list I linked which is very interesting.
And as for the validity of the acig site, well I don't know about any other A2A combat lists but the ones for the Indo-Pak encounters are extremely accurate right down to the pilot names as I have confirmed offline: so.. IMO acig A2A lists don't just post info w/o doing some serious research.
Other sources online are well 'inconclusive'..
I don't know much about this; maybe the USAF jocks here can shed some light on the American perspective.

About the AA-6 Acrid (R-40) missile:
Courtesy: FAS.org



posted on Sep, 25 2006 @ 02:26 AM
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so your theory is that the horne was shot down by one of these long range missiles.what kind of armament do the hornet have?
well i guess your theory is the most accurate because of the long range missile could have shot him down before the hornet could react.explains how the mig-31 attacks four targets at once.



posted on Sep, 25 2006 @ 04:57 AM
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Its not my theory..

Its what ACIG says and I feel it to be quite plausible..





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