Lets clear something up here. I was not directly insulting John Lear. I was saying that he was NOT John Lear, just someone posing as him, using his name. This guy has every award that can be awarded to pilots with over thousands of hours logged in the air. I understand that he is a good guy and a very well respected guy. I just could not believe that he was spreading ludacris lies about everything we have ever been taught from schools, books and history about the moon, Earth and the sun.
I guess he is doing this.
The objects around Saturn could be like said before anything. Jumping to the conclusion that a huge spaceship is the object from a simple, crappy looking photo is not very good judgement. Teaching that it is a huge spaceship is just crazyness.

Originally posted by observe50
I have much respect for Mr. Lear and it does surprise me at the way some here just don't seem to understand that when dealing with this subject we are talking about a different reality.

You need to really open your minds. What is realistic for humans isn't the way it is in the universe.

I understand perfectly that reality can be completely polar to regular human society, but to what end does it all come without evidence or explanation?..... It comes to not very much at all.....

The world is run by giant blue mice from Pluto who wear gingham dresses, fly around in invisible flying saucers and built the pyramids using plastic folks........ I have no proof of this, and I don't have to explain any more about it.....

That isn't denying ignorance to me.

[edit on 22-9-2006 by VelvetSplash]

Photo 1:

The camera was pointing toward TETHYS at approximately 509,689 kilometers away, and the image was taken using the CL1 and CL2 filters. This image has not been validated or calibrated. A validated/calibrated image will be archived with the NASA Planetary Data System in 2007.

Photo: Strange object

Looks interesting. Most likely a blur which has given the object a stretched cylinder shape.

I say this only due to the other photos which were blurry and 'out of focus'

Though an interseting picture indeed.

[edit on 22-9-2006 by ferretman2]

This isn't so much a question TO Mr. Lear, more to you ABOUT Mr. Lear..

There is no denying Mr. Lear's service and accomplishments, however.. ..how far does someone get to go without evidence of EXTRADORDINARY CLAIMS before they can be looked at skeptically?

I mean, this forum is ALL about PROOF PROOF PROOF, but when someone that has nearly been DEIFIED by the majority of this community comes in and tells us that EVERYTHING we have ever been told about Space, the Solar System, and our own Planet is erronious, you eat it up like it is the biggest news of all time!

Think about this for a moment.

Everything you think you know is wrong. Not some, not a few of the more undesirable bits, but -EVERYTHING-. The Earth is hollow and there are/were beings living inside of it. Our Moon was put in its orbit by aliens and they fly in ships that are tens of thousands of miles in length! There are people living on Venus, Mars, and Saturn, and I think the Moon as well. Oh yeah, and the moon is being mined.

HELLO???

Some of you that are putting so much FAITH in Mr. Lear's stories are the same people that find it so hard to believe Christianity's Bible.

It is one thing to step outside the box and another to burn down the box and never look back. I think that it is unhealthy and foolish to believe too hard in this without proper evidence.

Please tell me I am missing the joke here, because in your quest to deny ignorance, it would seem that some of us are denying sanity.

Without proof this story is nothing more than John Titor: Space Traveller from Saturn.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
This isn't so much a question TO Mr. Lear, more to you ABOUT Mr. Lear..

I mean, this forum is ALL about PROOF PROOF PROOF, but when someone that has nearly been DEIFIED by the majority of this community comes in and tells us that EVERYTHING we have ever been told about Space, the Solar System, and our own Planet is erronious, you eat it up like it is the biggest news of all time!

Think about this for a moment.

Obviously you missed a beat somewere, this forum is most certainly NOT ONLY about PROOF PROOF PROOF. Ideas and getting bold thoughts on the table most certainly is a major player within these realms.

Concerning proof, there´s plentyfull of blurry images featuring dots, spots, dust, lensflare, pixelation and every other thinkable possible image anomaly there is, and so far it has pretty much gotten us nowhere. Documents, sure plentyfull of those too, video...yupp, by the tons, witnesses, sure, how many do you want? Still the comunity screams for proof!

Someone mentioned earlier in another thread that many people would not feel convinced even if a UFO landed in their backyard and knocked on their door. Sceptisism is good but like everything else only to a certain point, it CAN make you go blind for the truth too...

Personally i think proof happens on a one to one basis and it won´t come in form of a pixelated blurry images, we need to look elsewhere. All said IMHO of course...

Originally posted by tomra
Obviously you missed a beat somewere, this forum is most certainly NOT ONLY about PROOF PROOF PROOF. Ideas and getting bold thoughts on the table most certainly is a major player within these realms.

Concerning proof, there´s plentyfull of blurry images featuring dots, spots, dust, lensflare, pixelation and every other thinkable possible image anomaly there is, and so far it has pretty much gotten us nowhere. Documents, sure plentyfull of those too, video...yupp, by the tons, witnesses, sure, how many do you want? Still the comunity screams for proof!

Someone mentioned earlier in another thread that many people would not feel convinced even if a UFO landed in their backyard and knocked on their door. Sceptisism is good but like everything else only to a certain point, it CAN make you go blind for the truth too...

Personally i think proof happens on a one to one basis and it won´t come in form of a pixelated blurry images, we need to look elsewhere. All said IMHO of course...

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between posting ideas and getting bold thoughts out there and making sworn declarations about life on other planets and telling everyone that there IS life on Saturn and that we arent psychologically equiped to phathom it's beauty.

So I am wrong to be skeptical of someone that is challenging EVERYTHING without solid tangible evidence?

There is no doubt in my mind that if this secret was being kept a secret for a reason, Mr. Lear would be dead before he could disclose anything more. The information that is presented would destroy religous AND modern scientific trust and a whistle-blower like Lear would be removed from the scene long before he was a threat to the secret.

Also.. Anyone that would deny a saucer landing in their backyard with beings jumping out IS just as blind to reality as the people that are believing in this without evidence.

What many of you want is someone to say something like.... at NOON on Saturday September 23, 2006 every city in every country will be covered by ships from all alien lifeforms.

hmmmmmmmmmmm wouldn't that be nice.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy
This isn't so much a question TO Mr. Lear, more to you ABOUT Mr. Lear..

There is no denying Mr. Lear's service and accomplishments, however.. ..how far does someone get to go without evidence of EXTRADORDINARY CLAIMS before they can be looked at skeptically?

I mean, this forum is ALL about PROOF PROOF PROOF, but when someone that has nearly been DEIFIED by the majority of this community comes in and tells us that EVERYTHING we have ever been told about Space, the Solar System, and our own Planet is erronious, you eat it up like it is the biggest news of all time!

Think about this for a moment.

Everything you think you know is wrong. Not some, not a few of the more undesirable bits, but -EVERYTHING-. The Earth is hollow and there are/were beings living inside of it. Our Moon was put in its orbit by aliens and they fly in ships that are tens of thousands of miles in length! There are people living on Venus, Mars, and Saturn, and I think the Moon as well. Oh yeah, and the moon is being mined.

HELLO???

Some of you that are putting so much FAITH in Mr. Lear's stories are the same people that find it so hard to believe Christianity's Bible.

It is one thing to step outside the box and another to burn down the box and never look back. I think that it is unhealthy and foolish to believe too hard in this without proper evidence.

Please tell me I am missing the joke here, because in your quest to deny ignorance, it would seem that some of us are denying sanity.

Without proof this story is nothing more than John Titor: Space Traveller from Saturn.

Halelouia!!!!! Thats what I am talking about. Thankyou for that intelligent post.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between posting ideas and getting bold thoughts out there and making sworn declarations about life on other planets and telling everyone that there IS life on Saturn and that we arent psychologically equiped to phathom it's beauty.

So I am wrong to be skeptical of someone that is challenging EVERYTHING without solid tangible evidence?

There is no doubt in my mind that if this secret was being kept a secret for a reason, Mr. Lear would be dead before he could disclose anything more. The information that is presented would destroy religous AND modern scientific trust and a whistle-blower like Lear would be removed from the scene long before he was a threat to the secret.

I can´t recall Mr.Lear making "sworn declarations about life on other planets", please, take some time and read his posts, he is actually very clear about that whatever he says is up to each and everyone to believe or not and he is also very clear about that whatever he presents are HIS opinions/thoughts/beliefs and nothing more.

You´re healthy dose of sceptisism as well as your reaction is proof good enough that there´s no need to take out Mr.Lear and besides, he is only someone passing through information given to him...none of which the general population would pick up as "evidence" anyway and so forth it´s pretty harmless.

Hank, if you don´t mind me asking, or anyone else for that matter, what is your idea of "tangible evidence"?

On topic, those images posted earlier by the Cassini probe, please tell me those are illustrations and not supposed to be real images?!

tomra,

Nope, those aren't illustrations (or thats what the NASA link says). It's definitely strange. So are those sounds posted a few posts up. The site says it has something to do with the electrical field around Saturn in the auroral region.

You have voted HankMcCoy for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Originally posted by johnlear
...if you saw a real picture of Saturn you would not be able to function as a normal walking, talking human being for about a day while you tried to assimilate what you saw.)

Originally posted by johnlear
Yes, Saturn still looks like Saturn through a telescope but you should know that it is a great deal further out in space than the moon.

Ok so looking at a "real picture of Saturn" would blow my mind, but looking at Saturn for real through a telescope, it still looks like the Saturn we know... riiiight... Care to elaborate? Because I must be missing something.

Before I get too far, I would like to apologize to Mr. Lear. My intention is not to discredit his work or beliefs, but rather to show some others that they are openly believing HIS beliefs while chastizing others for their's.

I would LOVE for him to be right, even if that means everything that I know is a lie. Hell, ESPECIALLY if everything I know is a lie. Lear's version of Man's History and Physics regarding Space is sure a lot more exciting than a bunch of 'scientists' that have nothing better to do than toss bolts, washers, and lunch sacks into the vastness of space. (Seriously though, you would think that astronauts would be a little more carefull about litter... especially if that litter could come back to haunt them or future missions..)

I got nothin' but love for ya, Mr. Lear.

Hank, if you don´t mind me asking, or anyone else for that matter, what is your idea of "tangible evidence"?

A body of evidence is hard to pin down, as it will be different for every. That is why jury selection is such a delicate affair. For a hard line Catholic, nothing short of Jesus telling them that Aleins are real would work for a vast majority, and even then they might doubt it as a trick of Satan. Luckily, I am not bogged down by such beliefs!

If this is true, it would take no less than an event that would change the world as we know it for me to believe. Whether that be a spaceship landing, some kind of technology that allows us to travel to Venus and hang out, or perhaps some kind of explosion on the surface of the moon that is unannounced and a comet/meteor hasnt been tracked for DAYS if not weeks.

The bigger the story is, the bigger the evidence would have to be.

Originally posted by ferretman2
John Lear = John Titor?

No he's not. He's a member here on this forum just like you. I saw your previous post in this thread. Now try to avoid insulting other members in the future please.

Thank you

I was looking at the approximation of the size of those things and thinking like G Lucas style i was wondering if ET intelligence could turn a moon into a huge moving space station, i know its odd but you never know.

Originally posted by jra
You have voted HankMcCoy for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Originally posted by johnlear
...if you saw a real picture of Saturn you would not be able to function as a normal walking, talking human being for about a day while you tried to assimilate what you saw.)

Originally posted by johnlear
Yes, Saturn still looks like Saturn through a telescope but you should know that it is a great deal further out in space than the moon.

Ok so looking at a "real picture of Saturn" would blow my mind, but looking at Saturn for real through a telescope, it still looks like the Saturn we know... riiiight... Care to elaborate? Because I must be missing something.

Can you see past the gases? If you can, then you can talk all you want that he's wrong. But seeing how you can't, you really don't know whats past the gases and clouds and therefore your point is invalid.

Originally posted by TheAnt
Can you see past the gases? If you can, then you can talk all you want that he's wrong. But seeing how you can't, you really don't know whats past the gases and clouds and therefore your point is invalid.

What point is invalid? I was asking a question as to why a "real" photo of Saturn supposedly looks so different from what we know, but looking at the real thing through a telescope, it looks just like the Saturn we know. John never said anything about a photo taken on Saturn under the clouds and gasses, he said a "picture of Saturn". I take this to mean of the planet itself. Thus, why I asked him to elaborate.

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by TheAnt
Can you see past the gases? If you can, then you can talk all you want that he's wrong. But seeing how you can't, you really don't know whats past the gases and clouds and therefore your point is invalid.

What point is invalid? I was asking a question as to why a "real" photo of Saturn supposedly looks so different from what we know, but looking at the real thing through a telescope, it looks just like the Saturn we know. John never said anything about a photo taken on Saturn under the clouds and gasses, he said a "picture of Saturn". I take this to mean of the planet itself. Thus, why I asked him to elaborate.

Well, a "picture of saturn" can mean anything. Just like one could say there is a "picture of home" taken from inside the home and not outside. And as I said before, we know Saturn only by what it looks like outside, never have we seen the inner-ness of the planet.

I guess it was just a reaction on my part because of the skepticism in this thread.