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reply posted on 2-11-2006 @ 10:54 PM by DJMessiah
If anyone will start this war, it will be Israel.

In a recent quote, from a yahoo article, Israeli Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said "Iran is following a direct line after North Korea. Therefore this problem is not Israel's but that of the entire world."


news.yahoo.com...

Notice, he is trying to justify attacking Iran, because they "pose a threat to the world," even though Iran has never threatened "the world." It's all propoganda made by Israel to cause US's invasion of another area that Israel feels threatened by.


Do expect to be more anti-Iranian propoganda set out by Israel in the coming weeks.

[edit on 2-11-2006 by DJMessiah]


reply posted on 3-11-2006 @ 03:47 PM by sweatmonicaIdo
As an American, let me say that right now, what I see in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation truly concerns me. As different as the two entities are, I almost see the Russian military as the U.S. military in the future, in that the current state of the Russian military is indicative of what the U.S. military may become as well. Right now, my country is involved in a war in Iraq, a war that I believe we are bound to lose, a war that is spitting out bills we won't be able to pay, our military, particularly our Army and Marine Corps, are falling into a state of disrepair and unreadiness, and a bunch of other things you can read about here:

What the Iraq War will come down to

The U.S. military, and perhaps American society as well, is looking at an unprecedented institutional and social collapse all because of poor militarization and a disasterous war. We are looking at a future that the Russian Federation faced immedietely when the USSR died in 1991. A demoralized, dispirited, fragmented U.S. military is most likely in the works, possibly worse than we were after Vietnam and at least one some sort of similar level as Russia. You can see similarities here and there. As rogue1 said, Russia cannot even produce a single computer CPU, or any sort of high-tech equipment the way they might have done in the old Soviet days. The U.S. is falling behind in the technology department rapidly as well, as even our high-tech sector depends more on the successes of countries like China, India, and Japan. My prediction is that if the current trend continues, then 10 years from now, we may see a U.S. military resembling the Russian military is many, if not all characteristics.

My hope is that we will look at the Russian plight and appreciate our significantly better situation and learn to improve it so we will have a military in the year 2016.


reply posted on 12-11-2006 @ 04:10 PM by StellarX
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
As an American, let me say that right now, what I see in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation truly concerns me. As different as the two entities are, I almost see the Russian military as the U.S. military in the future, in that the current state of the Russian military is indicative of what the U.S. military may become as well.


I do not think they are all that different as both are going trough changes neither of the parties really likes...

Right now, my country is involved in a war in Iraq, a war that I believe we are bound to lose, a war that is spitting out bills we won't be able to pay, our military, particularly our Army and Marine Corps, are falling into a state of disrepair and unreadiness, and a bunch of other things you can read about here:


It is taking a huge toll on future projects as well as the cost of this foray on equipment and lives! Few people realise that three or four divisions worth of American men and women are not going to fight another war. Just like Vietnam and Korea and the first gulf i think these wars were from inception designed to sap the strength of the American armed forces as non had to be fought and all but one had to involve many casualties before settlement were reached.

The U.S. military, and perhaps American society as well, is looking at an unprecedented institutional and social collapse all because of poor militarization and a disastrous war. We are looking at a future that the Russian Federation faced immediately when the USSR died in 1991.


It will be bad but not nearly as bad on the civilian population...

A demoralized, dispirited, fragmented U.S. military is most likely in the works, possibly worse than we were after Vietnam and at least one some sort of similar level as Russia.


If i look at the Chechen wars i see a Russian army that have absolutely no interest in fighting for anything the survival of their nation as whole formations refused to take part in suppressing a internal rebellion. Some of top military officials had to be fired to get things moving ( not sure if that was the first or second time round) so in that way i think the Russian army seems to have moved far beyond where the American armed forces are today.

You can see similarities here and there. As rogue1 said, Russia cannot even produce a single computer CPU, or any sort of high-tech equipment the way they might have done in the old Soviet days.


They are most certainly able but everything in that nation is geared towards strategic survivability and solid state electronics clearly do not figure into their doctrine. It's far cheaper to import what you do need from western governments that would sell anything for the right price no matter the strategic implications.

The U.S. is falling behind in the technology department rapidly as well, as even our high-tech sector depends more on the successes of countries like China, India, and Japan.


It's no accident and as far as i can tell it's a deliberate choice by those who run the world to move their 'operation' to the East which have societal structures that fits better into their plans for the world. The US is not 'falling behind' because it lacks the ability to dominate in those areas but because it's not part of the plan for it to do so...

My prediction is that if the current trend continues, then 10 years from now, we may see a U.S. military resembling the Russian military is many, if not all characteristics.


After Kosovo and their current performance in Iraq i think it's probably already in a worse state as it just do not have the strategic structure to go around losing 25 odd divisions worth of trained men in 15 years....

My hope is that we will look at the Russian plight and appreciate our significantly better situation and learn to improve it so we will have a military in the year 2016.


I think the US armed forces had a chance to rebel after the first gulf war fiasco but did nothing and now it's too late...

Stellar
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