posted on Sep, 28 2006 @ 09:18 PM
In this forum, I should think EB has made it clear that when he refers to Aristocratic Illuminists he is not speaking of the average Free Mason, nor
Catholic, or anyone else looking for spiritual enlightenment. If this is not the topic, then how many of us are now guilty but I think we can say
that anyone who looks into the history of Free Masonry and the Papacy understand that both were involved in political interference to some degree.
Some of us can today, admit as it were, the sinister and aristocratic role the Church has played at times. Free Masonry, the powerful opposing stream
to Catholicism, has also had their role, their time, and their place of aristocratic behavior in history. We may all consider how the Church is no
longer what it used to be – once it was in position of total influence but this influence has slowly shifted away, and over somewhat to the
opposing currents. Let me give an example of when this change began to occur. Naturally, of course it was not before the time of Shakespeare and
Elizabeth I, for it came about later. The Brit’s founded the Grand Lodge in Paris, but they let in the French and thus formed the Grande Orient.
Other Grand Lodges were later formed under the French Lodge Jurisdiction (and not the English) and in other nations a similar situation occurred, with
one Lodge sanctioning another.
Now to add to the points I have expressed thus far I want to shed some light on this by reminding us all that modern Free Masonry underwent a process,
or rather a form of consolidation in England. This consolidation occurred in the early 1700’s but the basis of this new Lodge was built upon
foundations which were much older. Had this not been the case, than no consolidation would have been necessary. So this part is fairly common
knowledge to many, I would assume. May be what is not understood so well is that Britain, or England, or the UK was considered a separate entity from
the British Empire. Now Freemasonry has remained within England – for the most part – and to put to politely, the essentially same respectable
form in terms of what interests it peruses. However, this was not necessarily the case outside of Britain/UK/England. Now if any Lodge has been
pursuing political interests it is the French Grand Orient. We may all ask why should any English Free Mason care about what the French Masons do
politically speaking in another country provided that they do have some occult background, yet still why should it be any of their business?
Well, the First Grand Lodge in Paris was founded in 1725. It was not founded under the Jurisdiction of France - but under England! So, how did the
French then turn around and start sanctioning other Grand Lodges under its OWN JURISTICTION in Paris in 1729? Obviously, the English must have let
the French in!
Here are some Lodges, England had under her Jurisdiction after 1725:
Stockholm – 1726
Madrid – 1728
Gibraltar – 1729
Moscow – 1731
Florence – 1735
Geneva – 1735
Lisbon – 1736
Hamburg – 1737
Lausanne - 1739
These lodges become part of a network of political and occult impulses. These resembled little to nothing of anything like the Lodges in the United
Kingdom. When we look back at the events which unfolded around this time, from the Jacobins and the horrors they created, the Cabonari and their
political motivations and activities we start to see a trend. We recall the activities of the Cortes in Span for example. These groups were a
powerful influence on their time, for they affected the cultures and brought about such men as Rousseau, or Voltaire, or ideas of enlightenment and an
increase in the feeling of cynicism etc. Also the Illuminati connection to Free Masonry in Bavaria – who like the other movements were crushed by
reactionary impulses but still continued to work on underground and mysteriously appear later on in “the ideals” of men who now govern the
economical and political agendas of the world today. Were all these changes made by Free Masons? No! However can we deny the role of Free Masons in
much of this? I think if we look closer, we shall find many politicians are sitting behind the scenes of all this and so we can now start to form a
picture of what was occurring.
Alternatively, in the banking world, some of these men do refer to themselves as "illuminists" and many are also Free Masons but that is not all
they are. David Rockefeller claims to be Baptist, yet he is also a member of a lodge in New York and also attends Jewish Passover etc. There are
some 92 degrees to be found in certain Western Lodges and even up to 96 degrees! These men do hold such degrees – however irregular they may seem.
As you may know, the CEO of Enron was just sentenced, along with his chief CFO to 25 years and 8 years (I think) respectively. Upon the verdict the
CEO of Enron spilled beans that 4 other Banks were involved: He named Royal Bank, CIBC, Bank of America and one more. In actuality, there were 10
Banks (including Chase-Manhattan and the other typical criminals) involved in the scam. I should know since I watch them illegally manipulating the
market every trading day and they never get tried. They are above the law and they have been doing this for a long time now. As I have said, some of
these men are Freemasons and if we may call them ‘Evil Masons’ that do see themselves as being Illuminated also, it should not surprise us.
Consider that most evil men, do not usually see themselves as evil. For they see themselves as good men working God’s Will, and they see Good coming
from Evil – they work the Left Handed path and view it as part of God’s overall plan for the world, to do so.
Now, people murder and get sentenced to 8 years after parole. Some heinous criminals may get life without parole but were the sentences fair for the
CEO and CFO? What happened to the other players and where did all that money go? Could the masterminds have escaped justice once again? Not that I
support the CEO and CFO, they deserve to be punished and have their wealth taken, but 25 years is a ridiculous sentence! Obviously, these men were not
a part of the big boy Illuminists clan. It becomes apparent that 2 different court systems are in place: one for us “non-illuminated” people and
that includes the CEO and CFO of Enron, and another for the so-called Illuminists. The people who place such pretty symbols on THEIR FED note did not
place it there unless they view themselves as being of such noble abilities, as in how they create money from nothing – a form of manipulation, a
trick of the magic playing card, is it not? Do you think the owners of the FED are noble and have the right to call themselves illuminated? Neither do
I, but that does not change the reality of how they perceive themselves.
[edit on 29-9-2006 by Cinosamitna]