FreeMason, from your replies it is not clear to me if you believe in the existence of God, so I can see why you replied in the manner you did. I do
hope you make up your mind during the days God has given you on this planet - seems you have much turmoil and very little peace. I heard this once
said, from a humble viewpoint - "If you knew what I know about Jesus, I'd want YOU to tell ME!"
Quote: OH carebear....Why do people let the power be taken out of humanity? We are not some pawns to be battered around by a thinking god....
We were CREATED by a thinking God, in His image! By his own character, God would not abuse his own creations. We are given a mind and a body and are
responsible for them and for the decisions WE make.
Quote:....Of course I doubt much I can show you how I percieve what happend to you without looking much the bad guy, it does seem a shut case.
I believe the most important view is how God sees us, no matter what mess or season of life we are in. Reguardless of how you see me, God understands
me and knows my heart right where I am... and vice-versa!
Quote: However....I don't think people believe in fate//irony//karma enough, they took it all and said "God did it". This drastically harms our
position in this world.
Exactly what position do you believe humankind has in the world? I believe people are searching for meaning and purpose in their lives. While we are
more than capable of making our own decisions, can God toss in some "food for thought?" Who is to say he can't?
Quote: Ok I figured out what I want to say...it's just as Buddha said....the Truth is that we create much of our own suffering needlessly.
I agree. Who cannot look back on his or her life and say, "I wish I'd done this or that differently?" We are all imperfect... and we certainly
learn by doing!
Quote: Sometimes fate if you will....or maybe it is just coincidense, but it IS really well timed whatever it is....sometimes that really well timed
statement is said at the most crucial moment, and you are that much more enlightened, however you wish to interpret it, from my stand point you simply
changed your view of the world, and consequently you stopped making yourself suffer. All that Needless suffering was somewhat removed.
Sure, it could be coincidence. But how can you rule out, if you believe anyways, that God had possibly orchestrated some events to call our attention
to needless suffering? "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope
and a future." - Jeremiah 29:11
Quote: Now if you want to believe it was God's doing be my guest...it's your choice...but it's thoughts like that that made me become an Athiest
for so long, too much "Humanity sucks" and "All we have left is our Saviour...let's all be saved" saved from what?
Saved from being a slave to sin, fear, condemnation, confusion, spending eternity separated from God!, Satan's lies... "Be self-controlled and
alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a lion looking for someone to devour." - 1 Peter 5:8 Here's another thought: "Or do you show
contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance?" - Romans 2:4
Quote: I don't know about any of you but I intend to live....this world rules, and when you sit down and actually look at it, whether it be a simple
blade of grass or a mighty tree or mountain...it rocks, and I wouldn't wanted to be parted from it ever, I'd never imagine a heaven better than this
earth and this universe.
Yeah, creation is beautiful. I believe it reflects the love of our Creator! (If you like nature stuff, check out Psalms.) However, I don't believe
the world rules us. God made wonderful things like animals and mountains and oceans and cells (though I don't understand his thinking upon creating
mosquitoes!!), but sin created war, hatred, abuse, starvation, and the many ills that plague our world. I certainly do not want to be ruled by these.
They weren't in God's original design, but now we have to deal with them.
Quote: But that's just me...a lot of people suffer and to them this world is a pain, and they seek an escape, that's because I haven't been able to
I always feel like a nut when I think that, but it's the truth, maybe my way of thought is only compatible with me...but it IS serenity incarnate. No
more seperation from reality, no suffering, just peace.
Reality has been painful, I don't know of anyone who could claim otherwise. God allows suffering in our lives. We do cause much hurt to ourselves and
others, but "in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." (Rom.8:28) God never
promised us that, once we are believers, that we'd never suffer again. Instead, he provides us with strength to face our troubles and with reasons to
go on. True peace in the storms comes from knowing God is there with you - you're not facing life alone.
Quote: That is why I always get so sad that people hide with god...sure I guess there IS a god, this universe is very organized, and kinda pointless
when you think about it, nothingness is easier.
But that doesn't mean he sits there and actually plots out every point on your life line, and then will change it if you pray.
Again, "For I know the plans I have for you", declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
- Jeremiah 29:11 If God knows the end from the beginning, he certainly includes us in the mix. He PROMISES us hope and a future, but it is our choice
to recieve it or not. We can only see a few pieces of the jigsaw, but God can see the whole puzzle.
Quote: Then you may wonder...well why do I believe in Fate??? I believe in fate because I believe that there is nothing more orderly than this
If fate guides the universe, then what created fate? As science shows us, you don't get something out of nothing. SO if God created the orders and
physics of science, we are able to say that the one who created the laws of the universe could also create the universe, even from nothing. From that,
we can say that God must have a reason for creating, and so on...
Quote: ...I believe that people cause their own suffering by stepping out of the stream, and carving their own paths...for some, it turns out
benifitial, but for most...they leave the calm waters that flows around everything, and guides it in perfect syncronization...and end up in great
turmoil...fighting eachother to get ahead...when fate wins in the end. And you return to the sea...to be born again.
I see the "stream" as God's will... Or like an umbrella, when we are walking under it, we have some shelter. We are protected from certain things.
Likewise, when we walk out from under God's will, we trip up much more easily, causing hurt to ourselves and each other. Like a loving parent, God
gives us plenty of cautions and sets up guidelines for our safety and well-being. We then have the freedom to follow them, or risk strife and injury.
Ultimately, God's good purposes will be fulfilled in his own ways and timing - we can be part of them if we wish.
Quote: God, is man's escape, from his arduous journey....he leaves these waters and feels the pain, and so makes a god that cares about him, and
punishes his competitors so as to make his journey on foot more easy to bare...but no one ever thinks to realize that the only god IS this universe,
including that great stream of fate...and it doesn't care about you, and you consequently fight it (him whatever) as you fight nature to get ahead,
thinking you have freedom of choice.
First, God created man, not the other way around. Second, God is not out to punish people. If our god really was the universe, why it care to create
us? the true God does care about people, even for the ones who don't care about him. Why else would God tell us to love and pray for our enemies? Our
life and death is of no consequence to the universe. However, it matters very much to God. Also, we don't just "think" we have freedom of choice,
we own our freedom of choice. Even if every physical choice was taken away from you, wouldn't you still have the choice over what you think, believe,
and say? God loves us enough to not treat us as robots, but to give us that freedom of choice no matter what we choose. That is love.
Quote: Carebear....Jesus died because an angry mob persuaded the Governor to unjustly crucify him...what benifit do you or god gain by his death...I
Freedom, of course! With Jesus' death and resurrection, the old requirements on how to have eternal life with God were changed. You no longer had to
be perfect in following the law, but only need to believe. Romans 10:10 - "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord', and believe in
your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved". God fulfilled his promises to Israel through the life, death, and resurrection of
his Son, and showed us his love for us - "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Quote:I do not need to be saved, no one does, stop escaping, or running, sit down for once and admire the crack in the side walk...it is a peice of
this infinite universe too you know.
Escaping or running from what? From what I believe is the truth? How would you know that you needed a doctor unless you knew you were sick? I have to
realize that my life and this world are finite. I cannot control the stars and the planets in the heavens any more than you can! However I know
Someone who can give life to the dying and keeps chaos from reigning. Whether you believe God's words or not is a choice we all have. I still believe
we all have this basic freedom.
God promises that anyone who seeks him with all their heart will find him. Because God cares for me, even before I knew him, it gives me reason to
care for other people. I didn't take nearly 4 hours to research and write this for no good reason, you know! I pray God opens your mind and heart to
consider the possibilities and how they may benefit your life. Thanks for taking the time to read this.