Lunar Strip Mine in John Lear's Moon Photos??, page 9
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reply posted on 25-9-2006 @ 01:28 AM by zorgon
Originally posted by Prote
So we shipped this stuff to the moon with man made ufo's made from recovered craft, roswell et al and they've been busying themselves on the moon and around the SS for the last few decades! Thats really sneaky.


Sneaky is what we are good at... why mess with success?

But things are not as secret as everyone thinks, you just have to dig around a little and you will find some amazing stuff...

like this...




Look at the wings... no aelerons... what steers this triangle?

...replacing traditional mechanical actuators, which move like wing flaps to control an air vehicle’s flight control surfaces, with plasma actuators that require no moving parts and are more reliable...


SOURCE

No this is not a hoax...its direct from the Air Force Research Lab A publicly available document...

Now ask yourself... if THIS is being released for public knowledge what else have they got?




Now what I have a problem with is why it always has to be "alien" tech that we 'reverse engineered" Why can't it be the other way around just once? In the 20's and 30's there were some pretty smart people around, Einstien, Tesla, Moray to name a few... we had all kinds of radical ideas and even the Nazi's toyed with disck shaped thingies...

May Roswell was one of ours that crashed... and like John said its beeen 4.4 decades...

Don't get me wrong, I don't say there are no Aliens, just give us hapless two legged critters some credit. It also amazes me that people can say we are too dumb to create such tech, yet we are smart enough to dismantle an alien ship, figure out what makes it tick, and reproduce them...

Rich23 did a survey question 1 was "Do you believe aliens are visiting" question #8{?} was "Do you believe we are "reverse enginnering Alien craft" You would be surprized how many said "No" to the first and "Yes" to the second

[edit on 25-9-2006 by zorgon]


reply posted on 25-9-2006 @ 02:46 AM by undo



reply posted on 25-9-2006 @ 03:27 AM by zorgon
Hmmmm lesse now what shall I call THIS one?

Oh heck how about plain and simple...

MINE ENTRANCE ARCHWAYS

{still kicking myself for missing this}...



Here is a little help... in case you really can't see the arched tunnel supports...



If this doesn't make you think, perhaps nothing will

[edit on 25-9-2006 by zorgon]


reply posted on 25-9-2006 @ 03:29 AM by zorgon
To the left of the Arches is this little curiosity...

You can see the shadow BENEATH the object, though I have no idea what it is



and on #5 There is this strange tower with strange shadow... ordinary rock and camera "issue" I suppose...



Now that I have the pieces I can put the puzzle together I will mark all the "finds" on the big pictures on both views and link them tomorrow


reply posted on 25-9-2006 @ 05:11 PM by johnlear
Originally posted by syrinx high priest


Hey John

As the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


That phrase was coined by Carl Sagan and was part of his government sponsored disinformation campaign which, I might add, was very, very successful. All extraordinary claims require is proof. Thats all. No extraordinary evidence is required.

Where is yours ?


Well if you are referring to my claims of mining operations on the moon, I guess that would be obvious. Since you or I won't be going to the moon anytime soon my proof will have to wait. But just because I cannot prove it today doesn't mean its not true today.

You seem to be saying the mining operation is human, and not alien. Is that correct ?


Well let me clarify, it might be a joint venture. And also let me say that there are human aliens. So the operation might be operated by human aliens and humans, as you call them. Thats us, I guess.

What contractors are involved in making these pieces of equipment specifically ?


I don't know but if if had to guess probably Fluor, Morrison Knudson (or whatever they call themselves these days), certainly Halliburton would be right up there on the list. Any major contractor that is currently contracting the the government could be involved.

What launch sites are used to get the equipment up there, specifically ?


Most launches or actually its a 'levitation' because it is all anti-grav. The only reason rocket propulsion is used these days is to distract the public. As far as sites most are probably in Australia.

Where does the money come from ?


The manufacture, sale and distribution of illegal drugs is the primary source. Looting of government funds, bank fraud, savings and loan fraud are also right up there.

Even the black budget has limits.


Actually, the way it works, the black budget has no limits but the black budget is not used for any of the really secret stuff.

You can't hide a trillion dollars impact on the economy, you just can't.


Well, actually you can. You can even steal and hide $2.3 trillion. Ask Dov Zakheim.

according to what I have been able to find, "These tremendous machines can cost over $100 million, take 5 years to assemble, require 5 people to operate, weigh more than 13,000 tons"


That description of a tremendous machine, my friend, is very small potatoes compared to what we can manufacture and ship to the moon. Very small.

outfitted for the moon, these pieces of equipment must be incomprehensively expensive, and take forever to build


They are not 'incomprehensively' expensive, but they are not cheap. Forever is a long, long time. Some can take a few years but not 'forever'.

and lastly, where are they taking the helium3, and what are they using it for ?


Someone proposed that heliuim3 would be valuable to mine. I personally doubt it but the truth is I don't know what they mine. I hope its not gold. I hate competition.

to me, your game seems to be to attract attention, and then claim ignorance of any details.


Sounds like a plan.

reminds me of a guy named titor honestly


You mean John Titor? You know him? I just had dinner with him on the moon!


reply posted on 25-9-2006 @ 06:37 PM by Implosion
Originally posted by johnlear

Where does the money come from ?


The manufacture, sale and distribution of illegal drugs is the primary source.



That point makes a lot of sense. The drugs industry is mind-bogglingly huge. I wonder how many among us knows no one who partakes in illegal drugs at least occasionally.


Here we have the biggest drug story of the day. Imagine the screaming headlines: "U.S. Government The World's Leading Drug Peddler." It would surely sell papers. But the story passed virtually unreported, and with not a hint of the obvious conclusions.

Another aspect of the drug problem, which also received little attention, is the leading role of the US government in stimulating drug trafficking since World War II. This happened in part when the US began its postwar task of undermining the anti-fascist resistance and the labor movement became an important target.

In France, the threat of political power and influence of the labor movement was enhanced by its steps to impede the flow of arms to French forces seeking to reconquer their former colony of Vietnam with US aid. So the CIA undertook to weaken and split the French labor movement - with the aid of top American labor leaders, who were quite proud of their role.

The task required strikebreakers and goons. There was an obvious supplier: the Mafia. Of course, they didn't take on this work just for the fun of it. They wanted a return for their efforts. And it was given to them: they were authorized to reestablish the heroin racket that had been suppressed by the fascist governments - the famous "French connection" that dominated the drug trade until the 1960s.

By then, the center of the drug trade shifted to Indochina, particularly Laos and Thailand. The shift was again a by-product of a CIA operation - the "secret war" fought in those countries during the Vietnam War by a CIA mercenary army. They also wanted a payoff for their contributions. Later, as the CIA shifted its activities to Pakistan and Afghanistan, the drug racket boomed there.

The war on (certain) drugs


The sale of illegal goods has always been a great money spinner, and none more so that illicit substances. Could the worldwide use of drugs by all races, all classes, all creeds really be an accident, or is it in actuality just another "stealth" tax paying for advances being made in the "black" world?

[edit on 25/9/06 by Implosion]



reply posted on 29-9-2006 @ 05:40 PM by Essedarius
I posted this on the "Moon Pictures" thread, but it's clearly more applicable here:

I'm operating off the following assumptions:

1)
The mining operation is run by humans from earth. (If aliens are running things up there then these questions are obviously pointless.)

2)
The humans hail from a single country (that is to say, it is not a multinational effort…call me a skeptic, but China, Japan, Britain, the U.S. cooperating on something like this and keeping it absolutely secret? Nope.)

3)
The humans are mining Helium-3 as an energy alternative for use here on earth. (I know there are other valuable resources up there but, I think we can agree, none more so than He3.)


So here’s what I don’t get (and there may be perfectly good answers here...I just don’t have the knowledge to come up with them):


1)
Once the initial MASSIVE expenditure is made to establish mining operations (and I default to the word “massive” only because I can’t think of a single word that would do the monetary amount justice), almost 15,000 tons of regolith (lunar soil) has to be warmed up to about 1500 degrees (F) in order to produce 1 ton of He3. Does an operation like this really make economic sense?

2)
Obviously shuttles would need to be heading back and forth, picking up the He3 payload and bringing it back to earth. I think those of you living in California or Florida will agree: you can’t exactly “sneak” those things into our atmosphere…it’s a very recognizable event. One that doesn't go unnoticed.

3)
As you may have heard, the fossil fuel lobby is very strong here on earth. (No Bush jokes please…) An abundant source of He3 puts them, essentially, out of business. That’s a lot of power evaporating. As we know, power like that doesn’t really evaporate…it has to be ripped away with a bang. Many oil folk have access to the most secret of information. If they caught even a whiff of this, they would blow the lid off it in a second. Wouldn't they?


That’s what I have for the moment.
Feel free to tear up my assumptions and answer my questions.

I may be wrong…I really may…but logistically, it doesn't work for me.

Help me out.
Anybody.
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