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Originally posted by Valhall
It's okay though, apc, there's a better life in the next world.
Originally posted by apc
I'm not saying we should start strapping people to racks. Psychological methods are far more effective. I suspect these are what have already been practiced, giving us the wealth of information that grows with each passing day.
Originally posted by Astyanax
On an issue like this, you're bound to have lots of incompatible viewpoints.
Here's mine.
To all who think torture is justified if the victims pose a threat to their country, society, way of life, etc., there is only this to say: by condoning torture you do far more damage to that which you seek to preserve than any terrorist or dissident possibly could.
Originally posted by Valhall
That's not what I asked you though, and that's not what you responded to.
So you are now going to say it is okay to do that? It's okay to take little kids into custody and then tell their father *insert hideous statement here*?
hmmm...nope, none of this is okay. You know what? I'm so serious that I will gladly let your ass hang out in the wind on the off chance you're offed by the next terrorist attack just to make sure I'm no part of this nastiness.
It's okay though, apc, there's a better life in the next world.
Originally posted by nephyx
You really think they are kept in secret prisons for nothing? You dont think that theres a 99 percent chance that these are radical islamics hellbent on destroying western civilization?
Originally posted by dawnstar
please explain why moral values can be thrown out the window when it comes to foreigners.
by the same reasoning, I guess they can throw morality out the window when it comes to our troops also?
got news for ya, we preserve our moral standards for ourselves, no one else. without them our values become valueless, the image we have of ourselves become black as coal...
and please explain to me why you see us as having a moral obligation to do whatever it takes to win....
because throw morality out the window, I know how we can win today.,....two nukes, sent out, one at jerusalem, one at mecca.....I got a feeling the middle east would calm down rather quickly after that one....at least until the jews and the arabs settled their differences enough to come after us....
war is immoral!! self protection is okay, but this war is immoral...we aren't protecting our homeland, we off thousands of miles away destroying someone elses homeland.