Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Originally posted by Tamahu
"what you are looking for is what is looking".
Not necessarily.
It is possible that the "I"(such as an "I" of fear) is looking for the Infinite Primordial Consciousness.
But the "I" cannot comprehend the Consciousness that is trapped within it.
what happens when this concept no longer exists?
When the "I" is eliminated, the concept of an "I" separate from everything else is dissolved.
what if the first "i am" who created "love" to battle "lonliness" and "sadness" did not acknowledge the first 2 fears of "fearing
being alone" and "fearing sadness" until the first "i am" created "love" and then saw the third "fear" along with the first 2 fears of
lonliness and sadness, but the first i am felt guilty and shamefull for not knowing all 3 until the creation of "love".
From what I've learned, the "I AM" has always known Love and has never known fear.
The "I AM" creates the Universe and all of it's beings in order to gain experience through them.
Fear is a result of sparks of God's creations becoming identified with the apparent dualism of the themselves and the Universe.
But all the sparks are part of a single Fire whether we as apparent Individuals comprehend it or not.
then, what if the christ gave the first love consciousness?
and the first son of man gave consciousness to "fear" when the third fear killed able?
Love and Consciousness are the same thing are they not?
Where there is no Love, there is only sub, un, and infra-consciousness.
and then cain was not permitted into heaven until he or any of cain's decendants took a conscious fear to a consciously self aware
"lovingfully forgivingfully knowingfully".
If you're saying that in order to transcend fear, we("cain's descendants") must first become Conscious of it(by extracting Consciousness from the
ego of fear through comprehension), then I agree
so, what if fear itself is / was / or shall be self aware, conscious, intelligent, and not fearing for just 1 moment?
Fear is due to ignorance.
As long as we have not fully comprehended it's origin and how it manifests at any given time in all the levels of the mind, it will always be
somewhere within our subconsciousness until it is rooted out and destroyed through meditation and Conscious Comprehension(all with the aid of the
Transmuted Sexual Fire and faith in the Divine).
Fear is all in the mind, and is a result of shirk, or belief in separate existence.
Tauhid or Tawhid(Oneness of God) is fully Comprehended when the "I" is eliminated no?
would people want a god of "truthingfully lovingfully knowingfully fearingfully losing only lovingfully knowingfully forgivingfully ..
. .. ... . . "
in short if " truth" did not fear losing love?
Now you're losing me.
Will you clarify this?
would you want a god who was "truth fearing losing love", or would you choose to have a god that does not comprehend fear?
How could God(Truth) fear losing Love, when Truth and Love are synonymous?
This is a really tough mystery though, that if God is One and within All, that we humanoids(symbolised by "Adam" or Tiphereth) could forget our true
origins.
God has always known Love and Truth at His/Her level; however within us sparks of God, a part of that Truth Consciousness is divided up into the
confines of the various kleshas or psychological aggregates(hate, fear, lust, greed, envy, etc.).
Fortunately, due to the grace of Christ, not all of His Counsciousness within us is trapped.
That spark of Christ within, or the seed of self-less Compassion not trapped within ignorance, is called in the East Buddha Nature, Tathagatagharba,
Buddhata, etc.
And this seed is the free-Consciousness that is capable of freeing the rest of the trapped Consciousness in order to attain Buddha-Christhood.
How did it become trapped in the first place?
Only YOU(with the help of God) can find that out.
I have heard and realized that bondage and salvation are both within
yourself.
- Acarangasutra 5.36
If you wish to untie a knot, you must first understand how it was tied. - Buddhism. Surangama Sutra.
"The Light Shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not"
would you have a light that comprehends the darkness of fear and all it's masks of deception?
it is just a question, just words of my truth that i hold up for you to see if they are compatible.
thanks in advance for your time.
Would I have a light that comprehends psychological darkness and fear?
"I" would sure hope so.
But the question is finding who this "I" is, and if it exists as "I" think it does.
But is it not safe to say at the least, that the false concept of a separate "I" is somehow related to the Three Poisons of ignorance, hate and
lust, the three antithesis' of CHiram Abiff?
That to see these aggregates with a quite mind, through direct meditative Comprehension and not just mere intellection, might reveal the origins of
things?
When the mind is silent, the Consciousness can be active, and with an active Consciousness comes the silence of the mind.
But silence is not something 'arrived at' per se'; as to exert oneself to arrive at something already latent there, is of the movement of the mind,
the very thing one is to negate through meditation.
Samael Aun Weor has stated something regarding this(paraphrased):
"Any unnecessary movement of the mind, is of the psychological "I""
Only our Inner Being truly knows when to utilize the mind and when not too, all under the direction of Intuition.
“If your mind is empty, it is always ready for anything; it is open to everytihng. In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in
the expert's there are few.” -Shunryu Suzuki
Regards
[edit on 25-9-2006 by Tamahu]