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What if We had Peace?

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posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 12:02 PM
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Mr. Bandit, wasn't the USA practicing isolationism before the start of our involvement in WWII?

I believe the US was selling to both sides. If you are an isolationist then why not? This makes the USA's involvement neutral and should keep us out of harms way, plus helping to dig the USA out of the depression. Didn't work.

Roper




posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 12:19 PM
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If we had peace, we would have overcome fear. Fear, fear of not having enough of what you think you must have, fear that you might lose what you think you must have. A bully is the most afraid of all. When industries are built around fear, when governments are afraid, peace cannot happen.
If you fight out of fear, you have already lost.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Roper
Mr. Bandit, wasn't the USA practicing isolationism before the start of our involvement in WWII?

I believe the US was selling to both sides. If you are an isolationist then why not? This makes the USA's involvement neutral and should keep us out of harms way, plus helping to dig the USA out of the depression. Didn't work.


Uhmm.. Nope...

They purposely and succesfully got into the war via sacrifices. IN WWI they allowed the Germans to attack the RMS Lusitania, and in WWII they allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

And as for the International Bankers, they never represented the U.S. They represented themselves and their own interests, although they're the real rulers behind the U.S. government. And this group of people are not only Americans, but mainly Europeans. And as long as these people are in power, we will always have war.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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RECIPE FOR PEACE

NO MORE RELIGION

NO MORE FLAGS, BOUNDARIES OR BORDERS

NO MORE WANT OR FAMINE

THE ABOVE THREE ARE THE MAIN REASONS FOR WAR

NO MORE TRILLIONS SPENT ON ARMED FORCES

NO MORE BANKS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF

GIVE EVERY PERSON WHAT THEY NEED

EDUCATE AND ENLIGHTEN ALL

NO MORE LIES OR DECEIT

HEALTH CARE FOR ALL

ONE WORLD ONE PEOPLE, NO BLACK,WHITE, YELLOW ETC.

EVERY ACTION DIRECTED TOWARDS THE BETTERMENT OF HUMAN KIND



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 02:06 PM
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The world can never be in peace nations will never stay away from wars . . . sad but is reality.

Wars keeps money moving around, profits to be made and weapons to be sold.

No, humans can never learn as long as is money to be made.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 02:08 PM
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Documentation for the above, Mr. Bandit.

Roper

[edit on 16-9-2006 by Roper]



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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posted by magicmushroom

“ . . maybe you forgot that between Irag1-2 we continued to bomb in the no-fly zones . . is that peace? . . Have we not seen the Russians fighting in Chechnya and have we not fought the Taliban in Afghan . . have we not seen the Israeli's constantly attacking the Palestinians, all this in the last decade [and a half] so it could just be my understanding of peace is different to yours. [Edited by Don W]


The US is also engaged in mortal combat on Mindanao on behalf of the Philippines, which may account for their original “willing” contribution to the 2nd Punitive Expedition to Iraq. By the bye, we know from publicly released documents that we offered the Turks $12 billion to joining the coalition of the willing but they declined. We can be sure the Bulgarians have been well paid for their small contingent and for the secrete CIA prison. I expect this method of getting support goes for any of the smaller countries. The US has troops stationed in about 100 countries worldwide.

Watching over US interests, say our capitalist investors. Socialist blood watches capitalist gold. Hmm?



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 09:07 PM
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There can never be peace until the enemies of the United States of America are completely destroyed.

Then and only then can we all sit in a big circle and sing "Kumbaya"!



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by neocon911
how can peace be attainable?
for peace to be attained there would have to be no governing law, no religious difference, a total exceptance of ethicity,color, creed & sexual preference.
in stead we have totalatorian governments, religious hatred, slavery is still excepted in some parts of the globe,gay and lesbians are still being classified as second class citizens.....
PEACE IS A MYTH!


Tell that to the Swiss.

They dont have anyone hating them and they are more frre than we are.

We are being attacked because we do under handed @#$@ worldwide. If you were in my country taking all my resources and supporting countries that are hurting other people that are of my kin I would do the same as them. I would hope you would too!



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 09:46 AM
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Peace will never happen. Get your head out of this fantasy world and start focusing on reality. The reality is, people are competitive. People are arrogant. People dis-agree. People fight. These characteristics are part of every human. Some hide it better than others, but we all know it's there. So when you have humans running governments and having a military at their disposal, there will always be war. There will always be clashes of interests and opinions. So, unless humans have a massive mental evolution before we all get incenerated by nuclear warheads, world peace will never happen. Stop wasting your time with this dream that will never come true.

[edit on 17-9-2006 by DickBinBush]



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 01:13 PM
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Hey, maybe here is another reason there can't be peace.

www.breitbart.com...

The daily Jomhuri Islami said Israel and the United States -- the Islamic republic's two arch-enemies -- could have dictated the comments to distract attention from the resistance of the Shiite militant group Hezbollah to Israel's offensive on Lebanon.

"The reality is that if we do not consider Pope Benedict XVI to be ignorant of Islam, then his remarks against Islam are a dictat that the Zionists and the Americans have written (for him) and have submitted to him."

"The American and the Zionist aim is to undermine the glorious triumph of Islam's children of Lebanese Hezbollah, which annulled the undefeatable legend of the Israeli army and foiled the Satanic and colonialist American plot," it said.



Roper



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 01:20 PM
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posted by LoneGunMan



posted by neocon911

. . can peace be attainable? PEACE IS A MYTH! [Edited by Don W]



Tell that to the Swiss. They don’t have anyone hating them and they are more free than we are. We are being attacked because you were in my country taking my resources and support countries that hurt other people that are my kin I would do the same as them. I would hope you would too! [Edited by Don W]



The Swiss are not liked by survivors of Jewish people who trusted them with their life savings. The Swiss stole tens of million of dollars. The Swiss helped many Nazi’s hide away gold and high value art from their true owners. The Swiss do what they do - facilitate - too well to suit me. I expect it was the Swiss who invented “money laundering.” I’d say the world was well off there are not more than 7.5 million Swiss.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by DickBinBush
Peace will never happen. Get your head out of this fantasy world and start focusing on reality. The reality is, people are competitive. People are arrogant. People dis-agree. People fight.


That's because of the majority of humans do not realize who they really are.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by DickBinBush
... unless humans have a massive mental evolution before we all get incenerated by nuclear warheads, world peace will never happen.


Sigh...so true DBB. 2,000 years ago someone tried to tell people to love one another, and he was ignored by many, by many today, too. And this is why we must continue to iinsist on good overcoming evil and love overcoming fear and hate. This Truth WILL set us free. I would rather die having loved my neighbor than hating him. Hatred is a toxin to the individual as well as to the society in which s/he lives.

Yes, definitely, Bandit! Again, 2000 years ago, someone went around telling people to transform their lives to be their best. Some heard and did something, some heard and did nothing, some chose not to hear. That is our choice.

The time to be awake is now.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 02:42 PM
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Mr. Bandit, wasn't the USA practicing isolationism before the start of our involvement in WWII?


No, the US was arming the Allies and in a defacto state of war with both Germany and Japan well before our official entry into WW2.

And WW2 is a poor example anyway - the Axis was a genuine threat in an open campaign to take over the planet. A far cry from a bunch of fanatics living in caves.

Sept 11 is also a poor example:
1) September 11th was the result of our going around the planet poking sticks into hornet's nests. It's not like we were some peaceful isolationist paradise, suddenly attacked out of the blue.

2) On December 7th, we were attacked by the largest power in Asia, with one of the largest and most modern naval fleets on the planet. On September 11th, we were attacked by 19 radical losers armed only with boxcutters, fake bombs, and a total disregard for their own lives or the lives of others.

[edit on 9/17/06 by xmotex]



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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posted by xmotex



Mr. Bandit, wasn't the USA practicing isolationism before the start of our involvement in WWII?


No, the US was arming the Allies and in a defacto state of war with both Germany and Japan well before our official entry into WW2. And WW2 is a poor example anyway - the Axis was a genuine threat in an open campaign to take over the planet. A far cry from a bunch of fanatics living in caves. [Edited by Don W]



Charles Lindbergh was called “Lucky Lindy” and “The American Eagle.” He was genuinely convinced America could avoid involvement in “one more European crisis” as he described the looming war in the late 1930s. He resigned his commission as a reserve lieutenant colonel in the Army Air Corps in protest of FDR's efforts to help the British. The very popular themes "America First" and “Fortress America” which alluded to the great separation the Atlantic and Pacific provided. The Queen Mary, the world's fastest ship, took 5 days to cross the Atlantic. The B29 was the first plane that could cross from New York to London non-stop, and it did no appear until the latter part of 1944.

Isolationist sentiment was strong enough the US Congress renewed the Neutrality Act which is what Mr Bandit referred to. After Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and France in 1940, FDR decided he must help Great Britain. To get around the Act’s requirement that belligerents must pay cash - England was broke - FDR came up with the “Lend Lease” plan. Instead of selling Britain planes, ships, guns, food and fuel, we’d “lend” it to them in exchange for base leases. The most significant aid was the occasion when the US “loaned” 50 moth-balled WW1 destroyers to GB in exchange for a 20 years lease on a base in the Bahamas. Those ships helped keep the Atlantic open to transport ships.

The US Congress declared war on Japan on December 8, but not on Germany. Fortunately for the world, Hitler declared war on the US on his own, on December 10, and we responded by declaring war on Germany and its allies on December 11, 1941. The game was on! It was survival as a free man or woman, or be a slave to Nazi and Japanese totalitarianism. The issues could not have been more “black and white.”



Sept 11 is also a poor example: 1). On September 11th, we were attacked by 19 radical losers armed only with box cutters, fake bombs, and a total disregard for their own lives or the lives of others. [Edited by Don W]



I agree Mr XM. The Nine Eleven Event has been blown all out of proportions. The Bush43 fiasco has co-opted it to win the 2002 and 2004 elections he should have lost, and he is now trying to “scare” Americans into a 2006 electoral voting for his repressive regime ane favored corporate excesses. He’s so desperate he is calling his opponents Nazis and Leninists. Wow!



[edit on 9/17/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 03:44 PM
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Super Trivia. Jeanette Rankin, b. Missoula, MT, 1880, d. 1973. Fate fixed it so she, who was a women’s rights activist and a pacifist, as a 1 term member of the House was able to vote NO in 1917, when the Congress voted to go to war in World War 1. In 1941, as a second term member of the House, she again voted NO when Congress voted to go to war against Japan In World War 2.

Any of you math buffs care to run the odds on that ever happening again?



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 04:07 PM
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I personally think that closing off your country to the world would end up in the rest of the world getting to a point where the US would be under a huge threat. The only way to achieve peace would be to close the world off to religion.

Most of the current violence boils down t religion, greed being second in line. Getting people to lose their religion however, is like askin a fish not to swim. The only way this will EVER happen, is if we find out the true root of our existence with solid evidence.

Obviously I have respect for other peoples beliefs, but not following a cerain faith has helped me to be more open minded and feel like im looking from the outside at what the worlds religions are doing to civilization. Just for the record. I don't consider myself an atheist. I would be hapy to accept that god existed if there was evdence.

Greed being the second obstacle to world peace could be resolved with the right people controlling our planets countries. If all of these leaders worked together at governing the planet as a single bdy, tere would be no conflict between governments.

Of course, my idea is probably just as unlikely as the original post but I seriously hope that one day this could happen.

50/50



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 05:50 PM
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Yeah I'm aware there was strong isolationist sentiment before WW2, and for good reason: WW1. I think the US would have been better off had we stayed out of that one. WW1 didn't solve much of anything, just planted the seed for WW2 - an object lesson for those who think only total victory leads to permanent peace. The collapse of Germany post-WW1 was total, yet WW2 still happened.

But anyway, strong isolationist sentiment aside, the US was already involved by December 7th - ask the crew of the Reuben James. The transatlantic convoy traffic and Lend-Lease deals made it possible for the UK to stand alone against the Germans as long as they did.

US involvement in WW2 was unavoidable anyway, we were dealing with enemies that really did intend to take over the planet, and had the means to at least give it a shot.



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 06:13 PM
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You are making the rather naive assumption that the United States is self-sufficient.


I'd say the last 100 years of US miltary action prove you wrong and make your question acedemic. admin edit: removed childish comment

[edit on 9-17-2006 by Springer]



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