Humans Closest and Sex Mad Relative Under Threat of Extinction, page 2

Originally posted by zooplancton
most excellent thread elf!
i wanted to share that on a flight last week coming back from Burbank, i read an article where they have found a whole new population of apes that were originally thought to have been down to less than 100,000 left.

this new discovery has added to that number quite a bit.

A gruelling survey of vast tracts of forest and swamp in the northern Congo Republic has revealed the presence of more than 125,000 western lowland gorillas, a rare example of abundance in a world of rapidly vanishing primate populations.

gorillas found

Thank you Zoolplanton,
This survey came out on the same day. I was aware of it but I did find it both a happy and sad moment. Though they have found this new population of Gorillas the news seemed to overshadow the surveys "big Picture" warnings and results, that for example at this moment now in Asia 70% of all primate species are at risk of becoming extinct very very soon.

This extra population of Gorillas found does not change the status of the species, it is still in the same category of Critically Endangered. A war or natural disaster, like was seen in Rwanda where poaching started again due to the political problems would push this species to extinction.

I Find we forget about the time spans, many of the species of primates need a few generations, on the terms of over a hundred years to regain their populations properly, and we are destroying their habitat, and populations soo quickly it could quickly come to the point of no return without us even being aware it has happened.

Thank you soo much for the bonobo and Oran info I hadn’t seen that!

Dr Love You must have passionate women in your life then, mine have many times had their eyes closed or doing their nails or watching TV at the time!

That Chimpette looks quite into it by comparison

Kind Regards,

Elf

reply to post by Jezus

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Exactly,

I think it was people usually controlling communities saying they were the spokesperson of that societies GOD,

Whilst asking for Love to be paid to them and monies too,

Oh and then politics took over and they carried on in the same fashion.

Indeed anything that brings people closer to their true humanity seems to have been twisted into Guilt, Wrong or a Social or Legal Crime or taboo,

Whilst they give you a Medal and praise you for killing people for money and oil, or using force and aggression to be competitave and Win, become the Alpha Male...

As you quoted,

Lets learn from the Bonobo's eh....

Elf.

Great thread Elf, I've mentioned this subject before.



When I was growing up, I always wondered why I prefered Penthouse to Playboy... Probably because one is pro-bonobo and the other is not. I'll let the reader use discernment.

As to why anyone would want this species eradicated, the reason is obvious: As in the movie "Equilibirum" (which is a phenomenal movie), humans are known to be more easily led when they are deprived of sexuality and natural emotio-sexual release. Emotions are connected to sex, and that is clear from observation of chimp and bonobo. Complete opposites in this regard.

There is a majority of sexuality-haters who pretty much rule planet Earth now, and with Eugenics and social machinery, they'll probably try to boil all the sexuality out of people, to harness it in a religious way, al la "Brave New World".



The sex-haters come from all pit of righteousness and regardless of what flavor of godliness, Taliban, Quaker or Papist, they all claim that humans' crotches are their worst enemies. These control freaks need to be stomped out of existence, while the Bonobo, needs to thrive.


[EDIT: Alright maybe stomped out of existence is a bit harsh. ...My point is that I like Bonobos AND humans, and I see little good on the horizon for either species. Great thread though!]

[edit on 14-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

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Smallpeeps

soo true, ahh Brave new World and the sexual repression I had not see link to this thread before thank you!

Penthouse eh? that brought back memories of when I was first a teen, still affected by the views of society in this regard, and the shame and secretive way we behave then to hide our true nature... etc....

well well got me thinking much Thank you....

Equlibrium have not seen It so will log off on a Second and watch it Thanks for putting the Video up, I am looking forward to it.

Bonobo's for president lol

Maybe we could get them to train the poor countries we invade, all the women could jump on the landing soldiers and their own suicide bombers and make them soo mmm "Tired" and have no repressed anger left to fight with each other...

Back to reality...:-)

Elf

Here's another video with Bonobos in it...



...The announcer is so lame. she keeps calling them 'chimps' but the way each group pan-paniscus and pan-troglodytes is merged together is a real lie. Each species' societal structure is fully different from the other.

wiki/Bonobo

The Bonobo (Pan paniscus), which, until recently, usually was called the Pygmy Chimpanzee and less often, the Dwarf or Gracile Chimpanzee,[4] is one of the two species making up the chimpanzee genus, Pan. The other species in genus Pan is Pan troglodytes, or the Common Chimpanzee. Although the name "chimpanzee" sometimes is used to refer to both species together, it is usually understood as referring to the Common Chimpanzee.
[...]

Bonobo females also engage in female-female genital sexual behavior, (tribadism), to bond socially with each other, thus forming a female nucleus of Bonobo society. The bonding among females allows them to dominate Bonobo society - although male Bonobos are individually stronger, they cannot stand alone against a united group of females.[25] Adolescent females often leave their native community to join another community. Sexual bonding with other females establishes the new females as members of the group. This migration mixes the Bonobo gene pools, providing genetic diversity.

wiki/Tribadism


wiki/Chimpanzee

Anatomical differences between the Common Chimpanzee and the Bonobo are slight, but in sexual and social behaviour there are marked differences. The Common Chimpanzee has an omnivorous diet, a troop hunting culture based on beta males led by an alpha male, and highly complex social relationships.

The Bonobo, on the other hand, has a mostly frugivorous diet and an egalitarian, nonviolent, matriarchal, sexually receptive behaviour. The exposed skin of the face, hands and feet varies from pink to very dark in both species, but is generally lighter in younger individuals, darkening as maturity is reached. The Bonobo has proportionately longer upper limbs and tends to walk upright more often than the Common Chimpanzee. A University of Chicago Medical Centre study has found significant genetic differences between chimpanzee populations. Different groups of chimpanzees also have different cultural behaviour with preferences for types of tools.

The Common Chimpanzee tends to display higher levels of aggression than the Bonobo.

I don't need to draw any stronger conclusions at this point, the links will guide any honest learners here. ...But I do think tribadism is better than killing. The people in charge of this Earth, however, don't agree with me. The Bonobo is doomed, I fear, simply because it tells us how normal we really are. In a controlled society, you are not meant to feel "normal" but rather "abnormal

What I am saying is that there is a strong urge among females in general, to engage in tribadism just for fun and bonding, but we've been conditioned to recoil from such ideas. ...I think it wouldbe a much better spectator sport than say, the NFL or Nascar.

Personally, my advice is this: Find your inner Bonobo ladies! You go girl! See all these girls and ladies have these ancestral urges which this world doesn't allow to have happen. Once sexuality is better understood, such things will be commonplace. ...But by then, the Bonobo may be gone.

Bumping crotches is harmless whereas bullets tend to hurt.

I think this thread and the subject of it, is very important. I want the lies about humanity to be erased. I want truth to prevail.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Here's another video with Bonobos in it...

Thank you SmallPeeps

What I am saying is that there is a strong urge among females in general, to engage in tribadism just for fun and bonding, but we've been conditioned to recoil from such ideas. ...I think it wouldbe a much better spectator sport than say, the NFL or Nascar.

sooo soo true, conditioned by WIN WIN DOMINATE and Whats in it For Me?

Personally, my advice is this: Find your inner Bonobo ladies! You go girl! See all these girls and ladies have these ancestral urges which this world doesn't allow to have happen. Once sexuality is better understood, such things will be commonplace.

Its the trick of the Ego Smallpeeps which is worshipped in our culture, the bad part of us is highlighted and rewarded and the innate Goodness, compassion and love that all of the spiritual masters have taught about is repressed. Even Jesus was meant to be born from a Virgin, as soon as a ego based Male dominating controlling structure got hold of the story to pass it on. Absolute trash he had many brothers and sisters some younger if you look at texts not included such as the gnostic..

The trick of the devil too.

Bumping crotches is harmless whereas bullets tend to hurt.

But they cant make any more money from the Pill and Birth control and Porn recently... lol such a great line though thank you.

I think this thread and the subject of it, is very important. I want the lies about humanity to be erased. I want truth to prevail.

Oh how I pray, it also shows that it is not all in the "Genes" as they try and find a gene for criminals etc, for arsonists, and it really brings home the nature nurture debate, obviously from the studies done on these marvellous creatures even genetically predisposed Bonobos within the group are socialised into not acting out that urge.

So that old line "its only natural" when used if someone gets very angry, or as an excuse of a similar kind for other ego based behaviours, revenge, anger, etc etc, is rubbish.

they show to me that society is soo important, and also the massive undervaluation in modern society of proper nurturing in the formative years.

In human culture have a Kid go to work, farm him out to school or get other Nanies in to make the "money" is rewarded and encouraged.

The common chimp does the same sharing the upbringing woth other females in the group.

The Bonobo though as mentioned on Page 1 of the thread stays totally with its offspring, with no brothers and sisters for the first 4 yrs of its life, period.

You could see that as their life spans as the 7 yr formative period of humans before the separate ID/ego is formed.

Obviously then something is amiss, we follow the common chimp way and have the same aggression, male/ego dominance and all its woes, The Bonobo's though don't and it seems to work very well.

generally its something we know deep down, a child should be totally and unconditionally loved by its mother till about the age of 7, see no violence or suffer any competitive issues and bullying and it will grow up a lot calmer, and a nicer Human Being.

The conditioning they put on us in school eh???

Anyhow you might be very interested on this BBC documentary(audio) on the common chimp, and language, the Bonobo though not studied as such in this regard would have the same ability, and maybe if one could start talking as the documentary seems to show, with a voice box gene mutation a whole new species of primate could develop from the Bonobo that would be a much more advanced culture and society than Humans given the right time frame.

BBC Chimpan A to Chimpanzee

Truly mindblowing and BBC so well made

Njoy

Elf

Elf, you are on a roll with this one.


...Let us consider the conspiracy of "Virgin Birth"

Can we all agree, that this whole concept is absurd? For if a girl gets her period, but still has a hymen, it is not hard to have semen encounter her egg, without penetration. Have I said something shocking here? ...No, and yes.

Sexual ignorance, is the final vacuum in people's heads, which must be filled with truth. It's alike a giant bubble of PUS inside everyone's brain and they're all afraid of what will happen when it bursts, collectively and individually.

The whole idea of "Virgin Birth" presupposes a society of people who are so sexually ignorant that they feel penile insertion is an irreducable component of conception.

The truth if the matter, is that any midwife could produce a girl, pregant, with hymen intact. God's Turkey Baster can accomplish a lot!

It is only the sexually ignorant who think of "Virgin Birth" as being some miracle. The shroud of sexual ignorance is still being pulled down at the corners though the people under it are sturggling to see out from under it.

One thing is for sure: Whatever sexual shenanigans humans get up to, once the next sexual revolution comes, will be nothing different from what the elite's have been doing for years. I liked that recent SNL sketch (which keeps getting banned from youtube) where George Soros offers to buy the guy's wife... People are really so simple, yet we can't admit it except when we are 'laughing' at it. Laughing and crying are very closely related.

Banned SNL Bailout Sketch: FUNNY

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Thank you I have never seen that video, laughed much....

Soros reminded me of Belushi in the Restaurant in "The Blues Brother's"

"Sell me your wife, how much for your children I want to buy them..."

Very funny.

Downloaded for posterity, anyone want me to put it online u2u me

Anyhow anyone contemplating the last posts by myself or Smallpeeps on this subject, will I am sure find this following thread very very interesting for the things you yourself point out Smallpeeps...

Though I did make one huge Faux Pax it was meant in the spirit of discussion and honesty on this subject, and how humans "normalise" some of the worst practises possible if done in certain ways, but basic human sexuality is repressed within society as a whole.

I know you will like the contrasts there smallpeeps.

16,17, yr old girls Dancing in bikini's in a Pub. BTS

Kind Regards

Elf

God's turkey baster's AKA alien probes lol. thank you.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Though I did make one huge Faux Pax it was meant in the spirit of discussion and honesty on this subject, and how humans "normalise" some of the worst practises possible if done in certain ways, but basic human sexuality is repressed within society as a whole.

You are very wise.

"Normalizing" is a term which applies to decompression, like what a diver experiences at depth of water. Myself, I had a lot of trouble (three or four dives?) before I learned how to equalize to depth. 65 feet or so, is how far down I got, and even then, when I came back to the surface, I had bloody sinuses (not bad) because some blood vessels up there got squeezed at depth. It hurt a little bit but diving was so much fun, I couldn't resist trying.

I'd found that what I was doing wrong, was inflating my sinus cavities, as I had been taught. But what was happening, was that my sinuses were OVER pressurized, and therefore, once I (finally) figured this out, I swallowed with the purpose of deflating my sinuses (which they did NOT teach me in dive class) and immediately I felt relief from pressure, and I began decending. It took me three times in the water to learn this! They prepared me to pressurize my sinuses but not to DEpressurize my sinuses.

Anyway, as to "normalizing", this is done as once ascends from depth, and the idea is to slowly, and gradually adjust, to the loss of pressure. An example would be the very fine movie, "The Abyss" in which we see Jim Cameron's idea of a seafloor drilling platform.



Is Jim Cameron on ATS? If not, he should be. He'd be okay with this thread, I imagine. All his movies have powerful female characters but also without neglecting the male aspects of protecting and defending that female. ...This director is probably one of the five smartest people on Earth, if I were to rate those persons whom I have studied from afar. His understanding of the subtleties of human romantic behavior, are quite unmatched. All of his movies are popular with both male and female audiences, (Anyone see Titanic?) and all have powerful female characters who are met by equally aware and compelling male characters. I really do love this movie and have always loved it.

Anyway, back to your point about normalization: In this movie, the people at depth would die if immediately transferred to the surface. What is required, for them to go back to the surface, is to slowly, and through an actual device, to NORMALIZE themselves to what the world up on the surface, requires.

I've rambled here, but I wanted to really draw a few lines from the point you made. Where do these lines lead? Who knows. I was waiting for someone to write a post like yours, so I am glad you enjoy my input.

I know you will like the contrasts there smallpeeps.

16,17, yr old girls Dancing in bikini's in a Pub. BTS

I can say this: If it were up to me, I would never allow this unless the girls get 100 bucks an hour deposited directly into their families' trust fund, and earmarked for their college education.

But to try to convince men, that girls < age 18 are somehow not sexually attractive? That is truly absurd. It does fill jails up, however, and that can be quite profitable, on many levels.

I think girls and boys should be empowered, but what roles shall they fill? We adults have completely destroyed their faith in our "system", and what we adults have now, is a whole generation of hedonistic-nihilists in the making. This will not do, and much tears will come from it.

The family unit (and the larger concept of multiple-familes, i.e. 'tribe'), is the only remedy for humans.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Before we get into too much of an anthropological breakdown of humans vs Bonobo's, and derail this thread from the threat posed to the survival of the Bonobos

Thanks ME, you are correct: The idea here is not to get called off on tangents, but to focus on one thing right now: Preserve the Congo and the Bonobo! End the horrific trade of "Bushmeat"!

wiki/Bushmeat#Effect_on_Great_Apes


Feed these people and there will be no need for them to eat their ancestors!


[edit on 17-11-2008 by smallpeeps]

reply to post by MischeviousElf

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All true except for one thing... they have recently been observed pack hunting.

Other than that I wanna be a Bonobo. This being human isn't all its cracked up to be.

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Grover, really?

As far as I knew, and I have read lots and lots on them Bonobos had never been seen to eat meat or murder as such....

I am not discrediting your statement but where did you see it?

Maybe it would be possible in context i.e. extreme human influenced environmental and emotional stress and hunger anger...

Like humans don't normally eat other humans but will as in the case of shipwrecked sailors and stuff break our most deeply held Taboo's

It certainly if it happens does not seem to be the norm, I will have to dig out something, I read a journal type thing from a conservationist who watched a whole generation of Bonobos from birth to near death in his studies and it was never observed in that group in that generation.

I don't remember though if it was as 24/7 as Fossey and her chimp watch or just daily /weekly observations...

Whera's a similar study of the Common chimp will make it apparent and obvious...

Kind Regards,

Elf

Yep and I think we do have a lot to learn from them in basic behaviour to each other, or at least the control of the Male ego and aggression.

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I believe Grover was mistaking with chimpansees. I've sees these guys chase another monkey in a pack and tear it to pieces....

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