Is Paedophilia Just Another Sexual Preference?

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posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by donk_316
But its just our culture now adays to vilify anything that isnt mainstream.

Are you suggesting that 30 or more years from now society will "accept" a 50 year old man having sex with a 12 year old girl? I think that we moved away from this practice hundreds, if not thousands of years, ago. I doubt if we'd move back to a practice that assumes a 12 year old girl is mentally and emotionally mature enough to make a proper decision regarding sex.



Originally posted by donk_316raping children is not pedophilia. Pedos like young boys and girls. IE/ under 18 over 12.


Pedos like them younger. Much younger. If you have the stomach for it, research it and you will find stories of children abused at 2, 3 years of age, possibly younger.

Also, raping children is a somewhat open interpretation of the act. Rape, in the normal sense, is accompanied by physical force. Let's be honest, not much physical force needed to force a 5 year old, or a 12 year old to do what you want. They're minds are such that they can be convinced that wrong is right etc. Thus statutory rape comes into play. A 14 year old girl might have totally consented to sex with a 40 year old man. Who knows, she might have actually enjoyed the act. She might not have understood that 14 year old girls don't generally have sex and that they can get pregnant and find themselves graduating high school with a son or daughter only a few years behind them. They don't understand that there are diseases out there that will not only stay with you for life, they might actually kill you.

jedi mind tricks on a child are the same as physical force when it comes to sex.




posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
In my opinion if both parties are consenting, than I don't have a problem, and based on my own development, I'd say a minimum age would be eight(8) ....


Sorry Iori but 8 year olds aren't able to comprehend enough to be able to make an informed decision about sex. Not only that, but an 8 year old having sex does AWFUL things to the body .. especially the female. Cancer risks go up in addition to the damage done to the physical body.

And the emotional toll on the child. HUGE.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by forestlady
It was well known in the psychology field that child molesters simply aren't able to be rehabilitated,


KEY phrase here folks ... something to keep in mind. This is why it is important to know when pedophiles move into your area. This is why it is important to make them register when they get out of jail. Usually they WILL strike again.

Edited for spelling.


[edit on 9/16/2006 by FlyersFan]



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 03:05 PM
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Perhaps I was a sp;ecial cse than, beause I was emotionall/psychologically
mature enough at 8, and I knew what sex was.

I also should have been more clear, just because of the physical body is'nt
large enough for sex, atleast with a man, at that age, I don't mean 8 year
olds should [have sexual intercourse], rather the beginnings of foreplay and such, but as long
as both parties have had explained whats going on.

When it comes to sex, the minimum age sgould be 12.
And that is also the minimum age in some countries.



Also, it's my opinion that anyone can be rehabilitated from anything
with the right therapies.

And when I say that, I think I should say to, that I consider 90% of
psychology to be absolute bunk.

[edit on 9/16/2006 by iori_komei]


[Mod Edit: Please do not circumvent the censors.]

[edit on 2006-9-18 by wecomeinpeace]



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 03:23 PM
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Isn't asking if pedophile a sexual preference like asking if bestialitiy a preference it self. I mean really



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by Revelmonk
Isn't asking if pedophile a sexual preference like asking if bestialitiy a preference it self. I mean really


Well. I think they're both valid questions. The problem is that we're not likely to get much in the way of self-disclosure here. I hope.



posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Revelmonk
Isn't asking if pedophile a sexual preference like asking if bestialitiy a preference it self.
I mean really


Well yes and no.

They are two seperate things with very different punishments under
are incredibly flawed legal system.

In my opinion both are natural attributes of human sexuality.

[edit on 9/16/2006 by iori_komei]



posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 08:29 AM
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What is natural about bestiality and pedophilia?



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Revelmonk
What is natural about bestiality and pedophilia?


I hate to play semantics, but they are not supernatural.

[edit on 18-9-2006 by radardog]



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 08:43 AM
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Some of the things people are saying in here are crazy. Children ar not ready to have sex at 8 or 12.

Couple things I was thinking, though; What if both are underage? What if one is 16 and the other is 18? What if one is 14 and the other is 16?

In the American Society molesting children only applies to men. Debra Lafave molested a 14 year old boy. She got In-Home. I will admit myself, she is so hot, I can't see any teenage boy being traumatized by her. If she was fugly, I would say what a sick women. I say the 14 year old boy was lucky. It's whatever, though.



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by trudginup
Some of the things people are saying in here are crazy. Children ar not ready to have sex at 8 or 12.

Agreed.

I will admit myself, she is so hot, I can't see any teenage boy being traumatized by her. If she was fugly, I would say what a sick women. I say the 14 year old boy was lucky. It's whatever, though.

It wouldn't matter how beautiful someone is.. it's not going to make a young teenage boy [or girl] more emotionally ready. Coupled with authority however beauty may give the predator more power. Boys are taught that their worth centers around sexual conquest.. if they were to turn sexual pressure down it would be contrary to what society expects and they'd risk other sorts of humilation from their peers. Male teachers go to jail if they have sex with their students [of either gender] and are condemned by everone.. but a male getting laid by a female teacher [though she might go to jail] would still be considered an achievement by some. Society is so warped.

[edit on 18-9-2006 by riley]



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 09:43 AM
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Folk should begin sex education for children quite early, for children are not innocent, they are ignorant. It becomes a subject that becomes taboo, secretive, devient, if a child were curious about such things. If parents don't explain to their children what sex is, how are they gonna talk about the dangers to their children about sleeping with someone a couple of decades their senior?



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 10:15 AM
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OK - let's get the disclaimer out of the way - I'm no paedo.

That I should even have to say this is a mark of the hideous paranoia our society has created around the subject. I say this as someone who was a music teacher and who was gobsmacked to be told that I wasn't allowed to touch the kids. Now, I don't mean "touch in an inappropriate way", I mean, move a kid's finger or hand so that it's in the correct position on the instrument. It is unbelievably frustrating to tell a child, again and again, to move one particular finger when simply reaching out and putting it in the correct position is far easier and quicker. I study t'ai chi and my teacher constantly physically adjusts the limbs and posture of people in his class, and we're all cool with that because he knows what he's doing... anyway, enough of all that.

This is a difficult subject because it involves legal definitions, biological functions and social mores. Put simply, I agree with previous posters who feel that it's about dominance and control, and is therefore a perversion of natural sexual impulses.

However, I also think that the whole question of sex in our society is perverted. Guilt surrounds it, and lately there's a weird sexualisation of our culture that reaches down to little kids. I also rather like a description of an idyllic island community I read in Margaret Mead years ago, where there are few taboos surrounding sex and small children are free to experiment together. However, there is still within that society a strict taboo regarding sexual relations between children and adults.

Point of information - for people who say children aren't ready for sex before 16 (or whichever legal age of consent applies in your country) - an ex of mine told me she started menstruating (and had small but distinct breasts) at 9.

Legally it's a tricky thing. People mature at different ages. A law that sets the age of consent at 14, for example, will probably be too low for most people... and at 16 (the UK's current AOC) there are probably many people who feel it's too high and don't want to wait. If there were some way of lowering the age of consent but simultaneously preventing older people from being predatory, I think I might support it.

But it's funny the things you learn on ATS. When I watched the South Park episode "Cartman joins NAMBLA" I really thought that it was just a joke. This thread actually made me Google NAMBLA and I was flabbergasted to discover that it actually exists!

Ewwww.



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
Perhaps I was a sp;ecial cse than, beause I was emotionall/psychologically
mature enough at 8, and I knew what sex was.

Honestly.. I really don't believe that you could have been mature enough [emotionally or intelectually] to be having sexual intercourse at 8 years old. Many kids know what sex is at that age. They know all about how 'when mummy and daddy love eachother very much..' but they are not able to comprehand it untill they've reached sexual maturity.

I also should have been more clear, just because of the physical body is'nt
large enough for sex, atleast with a man, at that age, I don't mean 8 year
olds should , rather the beginnings of foreplay and such, but as long
as both parties have had explained whats going on.

I don't understand what you are saying.. do you mean kids the same age having foreplay with eachother [which could also be abuse] or with an adult?
What does 'explained whats going on' mean exactly?
They are not emotionally capable of understanding it which is why they can't consent to it.

When it comes to sex, the minimum age sgould be 12.
And that is also the minimum age in some countries.

Probably because it makes things legally easier for westerners that get cought having sex with child sex slaves. Sex holidays are big bucks in some countries. There are also alot of young child-brides dieing in the world because their pelvises are too narrow to bare children. That should be a clue that they are too young to be getting married off.

[edit on 18-9-2006 by riley]

[edit on 2006-9-18 by wecomeinpeace]



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 11:14 AM
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It seems to be a prefrence if you are a Catholic Preist because they have gotten away with it and it is a plain to see organized ongoing problem.



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by riley
Honestly.. I really don't believe that you could have been mature enough [emotionally or intelectually] to be having sexual intercourse at 8 years old. Many kids know what sex is at that age. They know all about how 'when mummy and daddy love eachother very much..' but they are not able to comprehand it untill they've reached sexual maturity.


Honestly, I don't care what you or anyone else believes anymore,
I know what I was and what I was'nt.

You can't assume that's true for everyone, admitedly some are'nt ready,
but some are, as I was, though in case anyone is actually wondering,
I never did have sex at that age, but I knew exactly what it was, the physi-
ological part, and the more emotional part.

Also, sexual maturity is different with eac individual.
For instance, my maternal grandmother started her period when she
was 8, and was thusly by that definition was starting to be sexually
mature.
My neighbor started hers when she was 9.

I knew the basics plus some when I was 8, though admitedly not as
much as I know now, but most people don't know as much as
I do either.




I don't understand what you are saying.. do you mean kids the same age having foreplay with eachother [which could also be abuse] or with an adult?
What does 'explained whats going on' mean exactly?
They are not emotionally capable of understanding it which is why they can't consent to it.


I don't se how kids the same age doing things together is bause,
but whatever. I mean either.

Sexual education, you know, like what things do, that kind of thing.

Children our far more capable of understanding things than people
generally think.



posted on Sep, 18 2006 @ 05:44 PM
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I think history has shown that children are not ready for the responsibility of sexual activity and their time is better spent focusing on other things. Puberty comes soon enough.

Freud pretty much covered the human as sexual being issue and society has ruled that sex with children is inappropriate.

It should be noted that the same society that repudiates sex with children also sexualizes children with rampant sexual content and imagery in our culture, but I guess that's an issue for another thread.



posted on Sep, 19 2006 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
You can't assume that's true for everyone, admitedly some are'nt ready,
but some are, as I was, though in case anyone is actually wondering,
I never did have sex at that age, but I knew exactly what it was, the physi-
ological part, and the more emotional part.

The fact that you didn't have sex at that age means that your assumption that you were 'ready'.. is only an assumption. If you had've [with an adult].. the only context it would've been in would've been predatory as adults who are willing to seduce children are pedos in a position of power.

Also, sexual maturity is different with eac individual.
For instance, my maternal grandmother started her period when she
was 8, and was thusly by that definition was starting to be sexually
mature.
My neighbor started hers when she was 9.

Having periods does not an indication of sexual maturity.. it is the one of begginning signs of sexual development. It's not a green light.

I knew the basics plus some when I was 8, though admitedly not as
much as I know now, but most people don't know as much as
I do either.

I've watched lots of movies so know the basics of flying planes too but I'm quite sure I'd crash if I tried.

I don't se how kids the same age doing things together is bause,
but whatever.

A primary school near me had a grade six boy rape a prep in the girls toilets. If children try to seduce other children.. and those other children do not know whats going on, can't say no or are afraid to thats abuse or rape.

I mean either.

As in either that a child could have sex with an adult? If so could you please explain how a child could freely consent to someone when adults hold a position of authority over them? You are being vague.. if you are going to express opinions please be clear.

Sexual education, you know, like what things do, that kind of thing.

Please be clearer with your answers.

Children our far more capable of understanding things than people
generally think.

I agree.. but not when it comes to sex. You have to have a certain level of physical and emotional sexual maturity [late adolescence] to comprehend it.
Aside from your assertions about yourself about sexuality.. how can you make claims about what most children a capable of understanding? What do you base this on?

[edit on 19-9-2006 by riley]



posted on Sep, 19 2006 @ 12:25 AM
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Iori_komei is a curious young person. I don't think the member needs to be grilled about his questions or observations.

Sober analysis will be sufficient in this context. Overly emotional responses will only cloud the atmosphere and lead either to the thread being closed or moved to Slugfest.

Frankly, I'd rather it stay academic and right where it is in the Social Issues forum.

[edit on 2006/9/19 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Sep, 19 2006 @ 12:34 AM
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The fact that you didn't have sex at that age means that your assumption that you were 'ready'.. is only an assumption. If you had've [with an adult].. the only context it would've been in would've been predatory as adults who are willing to seduce children are pedos in a position of power.

No, I consciously chose not to, there were times where I had the
chance with people my age (at the time), a few years older than
me, and one adult whom I knew would'nt be against it, and no I'm
not going into that, as it's no ones business.



Having periods does not an indication of sexual maturity.. it is the one of begginning signs of sexual development. It's not a green light.

Ok, I admit I forgot to mention this part, I was tying it in with the
periods beginning.
My grandmother became active at 14, my neighbor at 12, I know
this because my grandparents were very open about things when I
would ask, and because my neighbors room is right next to mine,
and I can hear..



I've watched lots of movies so know the basics of flying planes too but I'm quite sure I'd crash if I tried.

If your assuming I based my knowledge by watching pornography,
well I was 14 the first time I saw porn, I asked people about it,
and read about it, that's how I knew about it.



As in either that a child could have sex with an adult? If so could you please explain how a child could freely consent to someone when adults hold a position of authority over them? You are being vague.. if you are going to express opinions please be clear.

The older individual would'nt be holding any position of power in the circumstances, I'm totally against coersion, and that kind if thing,
it would'nt be some secret.



Please be clearer with your answers.

If I was any clearer about that, I'd be violating the T&C.



I agree.. but not when it comes to sex. You have to have a certain level of physical and emotional sexual maturity [adolescence] to comprehend it.
Aside from your assertions about yourself about sexuality.. how can you make claims about what most children a capable of understanding? What do you base this on?

And that level is diferent with each individual, in some cases it may
not be until the late teens, in others it may be in the pre-teens.

By listening to people, and because I have a few younger cousins
who have come to me to answer questions they were to embaressed
to ask there parents, adn there friends only know about as much as
they do.
And when I say young, I mean 10-13.
And they tend to have a good basic knowledge as it is, and I generally
only have to fill in a few small indiscrepencies here and there.



And Grady, thank you.

[edit on 9/19/2006 by iori_komei]





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