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More than 100 bodies -- most with signs of torture -- have been dumped across the Iraqi capital with gunshot wounds in the past three days.
Iraqi police found 49 bodies Thursday after discovering 60 of them Tuesday and another four Wednesday.
The bodies found are thought to be victims of Sunni-Shiite sectarian violence. Most of the dumped bodies have been shot execution-style and frequently show signs of torture.
Iraq suicide blast kills 2 U.S. soldiers at Army outpost
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Id like to say typical, but i know there are a lot of USA citizens who steadfastly agree that staying the course is primary.
Originally posted by Astygia
Cut and run? You bet. (shameless quote)
They don't want us there.
Our 'point' for going to war is a strangely evolving one. It began as "Saddam Hussein is stockpiling WMD, we have proof that he is going to use them soon, on us and our allies". Then, after a lack of WMD turned up, the reason shifted to "We're here to liberate the Iraqi people." Then, "Saddam Hussein supported al-Quada". And it evolved again just recently: "al-Quada is all over Iraq, we have to bring them to justice or the war will have been for nothing".
They don't want us there, and we sure as hell don't wanna be there ("we" being the soldiers that actually went, not the politicians that ride a desk). Our military achievement is done and over.
Many say "bring them home" is an easy propoganda; please define for me "stay the course". The longer we stay, the more the insurgency grows, the more radicals are imported from other middle eastern regions.
Rebuild Iraq? Why, so they can blow it all back up, along with a few more soldiers, every day, every week, month, year?
"Stay the course", at this point, is propoganda. It was necessary to stay until we found Saddam, necessary until the elections, necessary until the Iraq government was ready to take control.
It's no longer necessary. It's time to bring my brothers and sisters back home.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
I disagree, the senator that I (until very recently) worked for made numerous trips to Iraq to inspect the work that our soldiers were doing in training and rebuilding infrastructure. The local Iraqi people love having us there and are ecstatic that we are providing them with the training and infrastructure to help their country develop.
Yes the reason for going to war has changed, it was a balls up from the start.
Not trying to be cheeky, but are you actually a soldier in Iraq at the moment? Ive seen and heard a lot of reports that a significant number of soldiers feel very proud of the work they are doing in Iraq. One even posted on this website a few days ago!
Stay the course because the fighting is not the important part of the mission now - that part is over. The important part of our troops being in Iraq is the training and building that is being undertaken. Without it, the Iraqis stand no chance of getting their country back together.
So we just cut and run? With no thought for the innocents in Iraq? We started this - not them. And How about because rebuilding Iraq is the right thing to do? You cant just go in, tear up the place the bugger off and leave it a shambles.
You have just answered your own question there - neccessary until the Iraq government was ready to take control. They arent ready. Neither is their military. Thats why we have to stay.
Originally posted by Astygia
Where'd he tour at, Green Baghdad? Shoulda gone to Tekrit or Mosul, or let him see what the Marines think about Fallujah.
If this means it was BS from the start, I agree.
I think 26 months spread in al-Anbar have given me a better idea of what happens there than what a senator thinks.
Regarding Cpl. Hunter, (Dark_Seraph), some idiots ran his thread into the ground, so now we've briefly compared our experiences in the sandbox via email.
This is a noble answer, but it's not realistic. The Iraqi administration has bluntly told our administration: the insurgency will not stop until you leave.
I'm not saying there is nothing to be proud of; our forces are doing the best they can, and we're doing good things. But the majority of Iraqis do not want us there, do not want to be seen associating with Americans, or even supporting the Americans in discussion amongst themselves, because it makes them targets.
Yeah we can. If these people really wanted us to help them rebuild, they wouldn't guide insurgents to a strike point. Iraqi officials wouldn't leak raid schedules to insurgents.
And call me heartless, but I care more about one American troop than one Iraqi innocent.
According to them, we have done all we can. Strangely, coalition commanders are in quiet agreement with this. But it never seems to make a dent in the administration.
EDIT: If I seem like there's a stick up my butt about this, that's because there is. I don't mean to come off as rude to you, you're entitled to your opinion. But you'll understand if I have a hard time letting desk jockeys tell me what war is like from across the globe.
Originally posted by Ezekiel
I dont know the specifics of where he went to, all I know for sure is that he spent the majority of his time with our (Aussie) troops.
Ah ok I couldnt tell from your previous post if you were in Iraq speaking from experience or had family there etc. And yes Im sure you have a much better idea of whats happening there, no argument from me on that one.
I thought their administration wanted our troops to stay? From all reports I've seen they are happy with us there?
I think the thing that stands out most from your observation is that the Iraqis arent so much against Americans, they are scared of what the insurgents will do to them for supporting the Americans. Maybe if they felt safer from retribution for supporting America there would be more support for you guys being there.
Has that been confirmed or is it still a suspicion?
Either way you should go and knock a few Iraqi administration heads together, that might stop them helping the insurgents.
That really pisses me off to hear that.Some people are so ungrateful
The only problem I have with your comment, is that people who join the military do so knowing that they will be in dangerous and potentially life threatening situations. Ordinary civilians dont have that choice.
Now, Im not saying that our troops should just have to put up with being shot at in a war that was a balls up fromt he start because it was their choice - just explaining my line of thinking a bit to you.
Again, I hadn't heard/read this sentiment expressed in any of the reports Ive seen - though Im not saying its not true Just that I didnt know that was the case.
Yeah unfortunately the desk jockeys are the ones who make all the decisions to go to war and to come home. Im sure as someone in the thick of it you have a much different perspective to someone who is reading reports printed on A4 glossy paper with a coffee in one hand and a donut in the other. Makes it hard, but as a soldier thats part of the job - taking orders from people who dont really know what its like on the ground that are making decision based on the political and economical factors.
But then if all of the worlds leaders knew what war was like up close and personal I dont think there would be all that many wars in the first place.
Originally posted by Hal9000
With this going on while our troops are over there and they are unable to stop it, then they are not accomplishing what they are there for. When the insurgents are being given intelligence better than our troops have, how can they be defeated? We cannot help them anymore, and we should leave. If you truly supported our troops, you would agree it is time to leave and go hunt down the real terrorists. I guess this report was just the last straw for me. Thanks for listening.
Originally posted by Mouth
Honestly, the USA needs to swallow its pride, round up everyone over there, and bring everyome home.