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reply posted on 31-1-2007 @ 04:38 AM by Matyas
Originally posted by TheBorg...Care to explain that a bit more clearly?


Well, I guess I owe you (and the board) an explanation. I got a little carried away with the fun of being melodramatic and enthusiastic because I havn't been here for some time!

You are right on about the sky watchers. In fact if I recall there are at least three separate agencies that monitor the sky 24/7, and if anything unusual happens one of them will know about it.

But these agencies and the people who work for them do not report to the public. And as far as one of "ours", even less so. Add to that my own experiences, such as the recent flyover my house a few years ago by a considerably large slow moving UFO. It was bright, distinct, silent, right over the city in a flight corridor, the whole incident lasted about 10 minutes, but not a single person called in to any station, posted anything, nada, zip.

So the ones who are watching generally don't talk for various reasons, the majority are not watching, and any solid evidence will be met with at least 50% skepticism, hence my scenario. You read it here, I am naming it a gullibility factor.

Now let's consider these launches can be made from Antarctica without looking for documentation as to whether it provides advantages compared to the equator. There many launches can be made without even the aforementioned agencies detecting them, or any other foreign power for that matter.

Now for advantages. Why put so much hardware on the Moon? Well, if I was in charge of military operations for a budding superpower in the beginning of a cold war I would be looking for leverages other than the ultimate weapon, and the Moon represents the ultimate highground and contains the ultimate element of surprise.

And launches from the South Pole also reduces energy expenditure as it can be used as a natural magnetic boost for a gauss gun plus the added feature of reduced risk to health for personell and electronics since it circumvents the radiation belts. True, you won't get the Earth spin, but polar orbits were used for various purposes before, thus proving it can be done.

Am I a little clearer now?


reply posted on 1-2-2007 @ 02:58 AM by zorgon
Originally posted by ignorant_ape

and can you cite evidence that " the russians say it is ready to fly "


Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: Reply with quote [Mark post as unread]
What many Americans don't know or choose to ignore is that Buran was maintained by the Russian military in flight ready status, ready to fly on 3 days notice, until it was handed over to Kazakhstan on January 1, 2000. It wasn't shut down in 1988 as some people claim. I already posted my email to KBKhA; they retained plans, jigs, etc., do need a new CNC milling machine but are willing to swallow the cost of retooling on the condition they get a solid order for new engines.
SOURCE

Ptichka, like Buran 1.01, is now the property of Kazakhstan after a space shuttle for credit agreeement (yes it's true!). While photos of her are exceedingly scare, she can nevertheless be easily recognised from Buran 1.01 by the red fixtures along her payload bay doors and her forward tile pattern variations.

Ptichka has always been stored with great care at the Baikonur Space Port in the MIK Building. She may have been moved from this facility, however, as the picture below would seem to indicate she is outside and on an Energia


SOURCE

Russia To Bring Space Shuttle Back From The Grave

Last week Energia, the state company which built Buran, opened its hangars at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan to show Western aerospace engineers that Buran is ready and waiting for relaunch....

Energia built two Buran shuttles and three main boosters to carry them. While the Soviet Union was crumbling around them, Energia's engineers continued to get funding because the military saw Buran as vital to any missile defence system similar to America's Star Wars. Buran's only imported component was heat-resistant paint....


SOURCE


reply posted on 1-2-2007 @ 03:15 AM by zorgon
Digging through some old photos I found this picture of Venus from Venera 10. This is the image released to the American public at the time....



The "excuse" is now...

Soviet space images are sometimes printed in astonishingly degraded forms. This is partially the result of generation loss, and partly an effect of cold-war-era propaganda. Sometimes the only available glimpse of a device or an image from space is a photocopy from a Russian journal. The image above is the version released to the American public via NASA. This image is STILL on the NASA website about the Venera 10 Mission at
NSSCD

This is what the picture actually looked like...



All the old Venusian images I have been able to find are HERE including the full size versions.

Its not the moon, but it shows a tendancy for NASA to "hide the truth" Sure it wasn't popular back then to let the Russians scoop us....

What I want to know is why does it look so small? The camera is wide angle to be sure, but it still looks to small... you can see the rocks at the foot of the craft and the horizon and sky in both upper corners....

Strange....

[edit on 1-2-2007 by zorgon]


reply posted on 1-2-2007 @ 03:24 AM by zorgon
Okay I want to talk about a Lunar Orbiter image that has gotten only a little attention

LO-V-168H



The Story According to NASA

Lunar Orbiter 5, Frame 168-H2
NSSDC Image Catalog

Downslope boulder trail and boulder on the Moon

Lunar Orbiter 5 image of a boulder (just right of center) which has rolled and slid down a slope and left a trail on the Moon's surface. This is within the crater Vitello, and demonstrates the small role that such processes, called gravity wasting, have on the lunar surface. The main source of surface modification on the Moon is meteorite and micrometeorite bombardment. North is up.

SOURCE

[edit on 1-2-2007 by zorgon]



reply posted on 1-2-2007 @ 03:32 AM by zorgon


Here are a few comments..


UFO Evidence Forums
UFOBeliever
5/21/2005 7:02:05 PM

Alien Machine Caught On Moon In 1967.

On August 17, 1967, satellite Orbiter 5 took the following image of the moon. It shows an object that has left a definite “track” in the lunar surface. NASA said it was a rock that rolled downhill and left the track in the lunar surface. But there are some serious flaws with that explanation.

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

1) Looking at the “track” it left behind, the object is the same width as the track. Rolling rocks leave imprints that are narrower than their width. If it was something rolling, it must have had a cylindrical shape rather than a ball.

2) If you look at the “track”, the object went straight through a depressed part of the terrain without altering course or simply getting stuck in the depression. Then it went uphill out of the depression and continued in a smooth, undisrupted path.

3) How does a rolling rock leave such a complex pattern seen in its “track”? If it was a rock that’s round enough to roll that distance, then what kind of “tread pattern” could a rock possibly have to leave such a pronounced “track” that is the same width as the rock itself?

They knew about the alien activity on the moon way back then .


MORE OUTSIDE COMMENTS HERE Please take the time to read them...



The comments above missed a few interesting things about the trail of the object and the object itself. First the trail starts in the shadows {depression} near the top and it curves through several changes in altitude. Also the reflection of sunlight from the object is bright and intense, giving a slight asterism effect. But most important is the shadow! As mentioned in the comments above, this object based on the scale of the image, must be huge. But look at the shadow. This object must be very tall as well. The sunlight is at a low angle, to be sure, but compared to other objects in the area this one is very tall.
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