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John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

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posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:04 PM
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Implosion,

Um, how many pages of information do you see here, for free? Not only has ATS provided the means for you to see it for free, but John, Zorgon, myself and many others have put alot of time and effort into providing the information for free. But there are some things, that simply are not going to be free. We've invested not just time, but our own money for this and dude, if you don't want us to recoup it, then i guess you will have to hit the highway

A workman is worthy of his wages.

[edit on 19-1-2007 by undo]




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:10 PM
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It’s the mercenary attitude that betrays you [you’re a woman, right?]. If you saw something that goes against everything we've ever been taught, would you wish to tell the world, or would you squeeze it for every penny? Recoup? Whatever. Many many people post on ATS out of love, out of the desire to share and learn. This is nothing more than the creation of a mythology, for the generation of cash. You admit as much by comparing it to a fantasy adventure game. If this is your approach, then all the best to you. Good luck and have fun, but don't present it as fact, when in actual fact, it is just an exercise in exploitation.

[edit on 19/1/07 by Implosion]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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I didn't compare it to a fantasy, you did. You constructed a strawman so you could blast it between the eyes. The truth is, I gave an example of a professor who said he never writes for free, regardless if it's a fiction or a fact. He said that because writing talent, research and information is a marketable commodity, just like anything else. When you work, do you make money or do you do it out of love for your employer?

As I said before, a workman is worthy of his wages. 80+ pages and counting and still griping that John's gonna write a book?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:28 PM
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As far as I can tell, he has a big enough name in ufology to write a book with or without eighty some pages of data sharing on a forum. He didn't have to come here at all. I think it's nice that he's put all this on here, set aside his time, and shared his research. Isn't that worth something to you ? Apparently not. Seems you have your own agenda.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by undo
When you work, do you make money or do you do it out of love for your employer?


Straw man? Who's?

I work to live. There is a world of difference between selling computer products, and uncovering secret mining operations on Earths moon.

The Dune comparison was yours, and is an incredibly telling statement.

All this means, is that John Lear becomes the latest in a long line of charlatans screaming "Ultra secrets exposed! ONLY $19.99!" If it were real, and I had proof, I would like to share it with the population in any fashion I could, Just to get it out there. Many Many people have contributed to ATS, and other discussion boards on the Net, without any thought about "recouping" dollar for their hard work. Indeed, I distinctly remember John Lear himself boasting that he had no book to sell. It's a damn shame, obviously somebody has got their hooks in.

In my eyes, what was an interesting possibility is now nothing more than a fable written to catch greenbacks.

Once again, good luck with that. Now, I am growing tired of this pointless back and forth, it's beginning to remind me of the school yard.

Good luck with your fables, remember, everyone loves a good bedtime story.




As far as I can tell, he has a big enough name in ufology to write a book with or without eighty some pages of data sharing on a forum. He didn't have to come here at all. I think it's nice that he's put all this on here, set aside his time, and shared his research. Isn't that worth something to you ? Apparently not. Seems you have your own agenda.


As I have already stated, I have gone out of my way to help the man. Keep on throwing the accusations around though, it's most becoming.

[edit on 19/1/07 by Implosion]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:37 PM
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So I suppose Coast to Coast AM should get rid of all their advertisers because they are in the market of revealing information. Authors should get your approval first. If the info is about the moon or conspiratorial, well, it's gotta be free.

By the way, can i have a free computer?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by undo
So I suppose Coast to Coast AM should get rid of all their advertisers because they are in the market of revealing information. Authors should get your approval first. If the info is about the moon or conspiratorial, well, it's gotta be free.

By the way, can i have a free computer?


Yeah, like I said before, I'm done here. Argue with yourself some more though, it's most entertaining.




posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Implosion


Yeah, like I said before, I'm done here. Argue with yourself some more though, it's most entertaining.



I love the mirror trick, but even that gets old. So where's my free computer? My husband hopes you can send him a free computer too: United States Air Force, Patrick Air Force Base, Florida, 45th Space Wing, attention: Master Sergeant Vegh. And hurry, he's not particularly fond of people who make money off selling computers.


[edit on 19-1-2007 by undo]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 07:56 PM
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In case it's been forgotten, the topic for this thread is

John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

remember?

Let's get back to that.



[edit on 19/1/07 by masqua]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:03 PM
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Masqua,

Yeah, good idea. I had some guy do the same thing to me about my stargates thread. He was so afraid i'd write a book and sell it, on the subject, he sent me countless insulting u2u's, posted hostile comments in my blog elsewhere on the net, and tried to get me removed entirely from ATS. What's up with some people? 2 free e-books, 30 some pages of information and research i did myself and hosted all the images on my own server and he never had to pay a cent for any of it, but was completely convinced I was trying to take his money. : / What's up with that? Everyone makes money doing something. Sheesh.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:03 PM
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I love the mirror trick, but even that gets old.


I love the way you attempt to make me out as some sort of troll. You ignore all but the negative, forget the fact I've helped Mr. Lear out on more than one occasion [hey! where's my cash?], ignore the fact you got a WATS off me for posting a C2C link that worked outside of the States. Yes, yes I'm obviously a troll.



I disagree with your exploitation, your use of the readership of ATS as a test audience, so I'm some sort of troll? The fact that your husband is in the military does not impress me. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between "uncovering" secrets that have been hidden from the gaze of the population at large, and selling computers, impresses me less.

However, As I have stated a couple of times, watching you try to justify your mercenary attitude, when there are many people who have done far more work, all for nothing, right here on the Internet, really makes me laugh. That's at, not with.

You don't have to justify to me, because as I have already stated, my interest ends, now that I have seen the real reason behind this whole lunar strip mine hoo haa. It's sad, but not altogether unexpected.

I wonder when we will have something to discuss that has more substance than just another quest for the money. I expect it will be a long, long time.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 08:17 PM
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This is from a big copernicus pic taken at a slightly different date than the other full size. it's from the area above the crater, almost on the horizon, a little right of center



the full size version
thestargates.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by looofo

What do you see?


LOL I see a Clementine picture that should be in the Clementine thread and we believe the Clementine PDS mapper is heavily edited so almost useless to hunt anomalies...

So no comments on any of that data I posted like... sheesh... two pages back?

Did anybody look? Huh?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:29 PM
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This one almost looks like a ziggurat.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 10:26 PM
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Interesting exchange between you and Implosion. I have read your stuff on the Stargate forum as well. Very interesting theories. It seems that you have detractors there as well.

Do you ever stop and wonder why people defend their positions so vigoursly? Why fans of sports teams will come to blows and even trample each other over winning or loosing games? Yes, Implosion is very good subconsious choice for this poster.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Xtr3m3
Interesting exchange between you and Implosion. I have read your stuff on the Stargate forum as well. Very interesting theories. It seems that you have detractors there as well.

Do you ever stop and wonder why people defend their positions so vigoursly? Why fans of sports teams will come to blows and even trample each other over winning or loosing games? Yes, Implosion is very good subconsious choice for this poster.



Point taken.
Will learn when to just let it go.



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:47 PM
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It's the "loop", we all have it.

I have a question about the moon and something that I heard on Coast to Coast last night. I caught the tailend of the conversation about the moon being brought to this location from somewhere else. I remember a show on TV talking about "what if we had no moon". I believe they were saying that the moon may have been formed by debris from an impact of a huge comet with the Earth.

Can anyone shed some light on the moon being brought here from another location? From where? How?



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:48 PM
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It's the "loop", we all have it....

OOPS...DSL troubles tonight

[edit on 19-1-2007 by Xtr3m3]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:55 PM
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I found so many things in this pic, that I couldn't decide what was what. It's from Copernicus 3


Here's the image before my additions. Can someone else see if they can find anything? Or make sense of it?


[edit on 19-1-2007 by undo]



posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by NJ Mooch
I also think Vegas is on my list.


Vegas huh? Can you get them to stop all that racket at Nellis? Its shaking my roof!


Nice to see you back



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