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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 03:00 AM by GhostITM
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Had to laugh when I read those notes from Bob 
One thing John, and you'll be very aware of this. That in interpreting any picture taken, you have to be careful in saying what you think is
there. The human brain is a wizard for seeing patterns in things where there is in fact nothing there. The problem with interpreting features within a
crater such as Copernicus is that you have a very complex and jumbled terrain to look at, along with many instances of shadow and light in various
orientations. To really be definitive about whatever you looking at, it's best to get multiple passes of an area under different conditions of
illumination. It's especially important where the resolution of the pictures taken isn't so great, as it is in many lunar photos. Even though they
were in orbit there, the cameras in those days weren't the best so far as image resolution goes. So that's why you're getting photos whose
appearence is blurry. Having had quite a bit of experience in using aerial photgraphs and satellite imagery (being a geologist), the most important
thing I can say is "don't trust what you see". You really need multiple levels of confirmation to really be sure about the objects you're looking
at. It's all too easy to get something simple as the height of a tree in a photo wrong, just because you have no idea of the scale length of it's
shadow or the correct illumination angle and flightpath taken by the picture taking craft.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 03:51 AM by TheBorg
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And that, my friends, is why you cannot trust your eyes when it comes to judging whether something is or is not there.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 04:02 AM by Ram
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maybe this is it - I dunno..
Must be a better resolution somwhere..
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 04:47 AM by TheBorg
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Ram:
I just see a couple of shadows there. I see nothing of any significance whatsoever. I don't know what anyone sees in these pics that makes them so
important. If someone could elaborate a bit, it'd be much appreciated.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 10:09 AM by johnlear
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Originally posted by TheBorg
Ram:
I just see a couple of shadows there. I see nothing of any significance whatsoever. I don't know what anyone sees in these pics that makes them so
important. If someone could elaborate a bit, it'd be much appreciated.
TheBorg
Thats the 'box'. As far as what anyone sees that makes it so important I can tell you that Bob Lazar, our resident arch sceptic, would not have
tried to negotiate his life back for a couple of shadows if he could have possibly weaseled his way out of it. And especially not to John Lear who he
considers 'crazy'. Oh, and if you didn't like this one, you won't like the others!
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 10:18 AM by johnlear
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Originally posted by Ram
maybe this is it - I dunno..
Must be a better resolution somwhere.
Ram, please tell the folks where you the 'box'. Thanks.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 10:19 AM by Springer
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Resolution
The crop posted above appears to be in a very poor resolution. We need someone to crop that from the Highest Quality "Huge File" image located in
the original post of this thread.
I assure you in the highest resolution it looks alot clearer than this crop does.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 10:20 AM by SkepticOverlord
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Which image is that from? I have the high-res originals on my hard drive.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 10:22 AM by jumpspace
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Personally, I think this is a better crate:
It's at 1.30pm to the box indicated above.
Cheers
JS
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 10:25 AM by Springer
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Which image is that from? I have the high-res originals on my hard drive.
So do I, and it's much clearer if you zoom in slowly, it's on image number 2.
Check your email, I sent it to you with the object "circled with dots".
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 11:17 AM by SkepticOverlord
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This part caught my eye.
We appear to have two parallel shadows with remarkably straight edges, despite what is obviously a rolling terrain under them.
(And a great big object that looks a bit like a capital "J" on the side of the hill.)
I added some white lines to indicate what appears to be the contour of the terrain.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 11:20 AM by Mouth
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Ok... but if you look in your pic right there, off to the right of your red box, there are a bunch of examples like that... just shadows of the
ridges, that's all.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 11:27 AM by johnlear
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
This part caught my eye.
We appear to have two parallel shadows with remarkably straight edges, despite what is obviously a rolling terrain under them.
(And a great big object that looks a bit like a capital "J" on the side of the hill.)
Hmmmm. And I wonder what those white triangle-shaped objects are just above?
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 01:14 PM by merka
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Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
This part caught my eye.
We appear to have two parallel shadows with remarkably straight edges, despite what is obviously a rolling terrain under them.
(And a great big object that looks a bit like a capital "J" on the side of the hill.)
Hmmmm. And I wonder what those white triangle-shaped objects are just above?
Its not a triangle. Its the forehead and nose. Cant you see the face?
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 01:54 PM by Xabora
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Originally posted by Ram
[image snip]
maybe this is it - I dunno..
Must be a better resolution somwhere..
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Found the box last night but was too tired to post.
Its located at 1180, 440.
Just a note, there were 2 objects in the region.
The 1st in the upper left hand corner is the moon apple crate.
The 2nd in the bottom right hand corner appears to be a fault in the image itself.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 02:02 PM by johnlear
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Originally posted by Xabora
The 1st in the upper left hand corner is the moon apple crate.
Looks like a box but is not 'the' box.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 02:06 PM by SteveR
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I only have one problem with the crate. The light in the picture is coming from the right to the left. You can see this in the hills and such. The
crate literally needs to be horizontally inverted to be the right way.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 02:06 PM by SearchEngine
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So what do we think this 'box' could possibly be?
Any ideas?
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 02:10 PM by Xabora
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Found it... seems like there are many that are different sizes.
Its located at 1228, 780.
Was looking for a small box, nothing that big.
I used artificial colors on the 1st image to bring out the details.
And on the second image illuminated all the dark spots which darkened the bright areas.
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reply posted on 18-9-2006 @ 02:11 PM by SteveR
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No. That kind of speculation would be a waste of time.
Leave it to the likes of JP Skipper and the aquatic parks.
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