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reply posted on 14-9-2006 @ 07:12 PM by jra
Originally posted by timeless test
John Lear has helpfully pointed out that the first four photographs were taken from an altitude of approx 49km, (around 28 miles), and the fifth from more than double that altitude. Now this doesnt help too much because we still dont know the area covered by the photographs and so the scale we are looking at, but it is reasonable to assume that the dimensions of any discernable features you may believe you see will be measured in kilometers rather than metres. Someone with a far better idea of the geography of the Moon than me may be able to make a stab at the approximate area covered.


I too was going to say something about this because...

Originally posted by johnlear
These extremely clear photos were used in the Lunar Lander simulator to simulate as close as possible what the astronauts would be seeing on the ground where they were going to land. That is why Neil Armstrongs story about the 'boulders' and how 'surprised' they were to come upon a field of 'boulders' which they had to 'overfly' is not very believable. In others, in over 500 simulated landings Armstrong and Aldrin never saw that 'field of boulders'?


Like you said, the probe was 49km above the Moon. Do you seriously think it would be able to see boulders on the ground from that altitude? I don't get how that doesn't seem believable. It doesn't matter that they had 500 simulated landings. They could have had 1 million and still not encounter a field of boulder, because it's simulated.

Originally posted by solidshot
and have you noticed that they show stars in the background where as i believe the original moonlanding shots didn't?


I don't believe those are stars. Seeing as how both the 'sky' and the shadows on the moon surface have little fuzzy white dots. I'd say some of it is film grain and judging from the hair count, I'd also have to say that Bob Lazar needs to clean his scanner

One thing to remeber about the Lunar Orbiter probes as that they used film. The probes had the ability to develope the film and then scan it and send it back to Earth. This is the reason for the horizontal lines, because the photos were scanned in strips and then pieced back together. This onboard film developing machine wasn't perfect either. Some times there would be air bubbles when the film was pressed up against the surface with the chemicals used in developing the film, as well as marks on the film were the developing system started and stoped.

John, I do appreciate the scans though. They are nice and thank you for sharring them. And if you or anyone else wants to see more photos from these probes, there's a good collection here: www.lpi.usra.edu... and here is the Photographic Subsystem Reference Handbook for those who might be interested.

EDIT: To add a bit more.

Originally posted by zorgon
I mean they are great pics considering the time they were taken, but the Martian ones coming in from Spirit and Opportunity are much more detailed... so there must be something hiding on these LOL


You are comparing apples to oranges. The Mars Rovers are on the ground, the Lunar Orbiters, orbitted the moon. You can't compare the two in terms of detail... You could however compare the Lunar Orbiters to the new Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter which will be taking the most detailed images of Mars yet.

[edit on 14-9-2006 by jra]


reply posted on 14-9-2006 @ 11:31 PM by Ram
ah - I got the full size from other source..

okay here I go - this is Copernicus 5
I just had alook around... This is Medium size - and somhow the colors where sharper in medium size.. or there was more greys to choose between...


line 1 from top - I just see some tracks on ground... Dirt tracks..from somthing..
And a small pile of geometric junk... Dunno if it means anything and how should I?
line 2 looks like a square thing... looks like it. With some black shadows from a small pile of sand on top of it..

line 3 this is the giant bug..or ant...shape thing.. this is from the medium Copernicus 5 size...

line 4 I took the freedom to draw some lines on the last image, after i had corrected the colors.. Could be anything.. this is just south from the ant-thing.

larger version of it... Still medium.

Well - i asked for the full size and I realized it actually is 14 MB in size - so maybe thats why I could not see it.. but i got it by mail.


My eyes quickly found interrest in this object again I zoomed in on it...And got these few clips out..

First zoom top - here are some strait lines across the ants bag.

second zoom - Some rubble beside the ant - They are very lit up by the sun - and it's proberly rocks of some sort.

last zoom... The front end of the ant-thing... Could bear marks of a cross of some sort... Looks a bit symetric to my eyes..

Fun stuff.. These pics where proberly taken before I was born... I don't have a clue.. But it's always fun just to imagine things... In photos like these..
Just like the Mars pictures...(I know this is moon shots) So much black and white...

Don't they have color camera on the Mars Orbiter by the way? -it really is a shame they only come in Black and white...
Maybe it's just a tradition to broadcast black and white images to the publich... who knows?

[edit on 14-9-2006 by Ram]
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