John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Sorry sir, and I say this with all due respect, I don't need you to feel sorry for me, because frankly, not even YOU can point out what you're seeing. I mean if you were that good at seeing images in 3d and stretching and bending images with "high quality optics" then you would at least be able to show us something by taking one of the photos and outlining what you see, but you cannot.

Calling what you are saying a gift is really a big big stretch here my friend, because if that is a gift, I'd like you to return it to whoever gave it to you because it is defective.

You're taking compressed low quality images, and stating you see humanoids and creatures in them.

In fact, I can debunk you right now.

You took a known hoaxer, the guy who made the F.A.S.T. pictures of supposed "space vehicles" and you said you saw so many various life forms and humanoids in the pictures.

Guess what, that guy was shooting models. He was a known hoaxer and you, of course, saw the same thing in his pictures that you saw in every other picture you see here.

You were just debunked.

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Off-topic, but needed, post.

When will the ATS team fix this stupid bug that does not show the next page when there is only one post? As far as I have seen this happens only on bigger threads, and its the most annoying bug after the one that wipes the edit to a post if we use the "Preview Post" option.

LOL why would I need his advise? He posted that during analysis of the Apollo 15 image to make a point why he thought the anomalies were real...

And since he is a photo analyst and fine researcher on Pegasus' team, I see no need to do much else

As to ArMaP's image... I will address that with ArMaP as soon as I have time to find the image and have a look at it... since no link was provided

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Oops, I forgot the link. This is the "GZiped" TIFF image that I used.

I thought that identifying the image was enough for you, someone who dedicates so much time and effort to this subject should know exactly where to look for that image, you may even have it.

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I stand fast, sorry you did not debunk me I debunked you because you do not know what you are talking about. You do not control me or my eyes as you wish you could. I am sorry I do not comply with your demeaning control tactics. Go pick on someone that you can truly debunk and control. You could not even give me the name of the handle of the person that you say was debunked. Many instances on Mars rocksarenotrocks and have been posted many many times including photos on the surface of Mars presented by vze.

You refer to me as my friend, I do not know you and you do not know me. So why do you pretend to be my friend and at the same time ridiculing me and trying to debunk what I see and because you do not see? I will answer that it is called sarcasm. I see most everything that Zorgon presents thru photos of the Moon and Mars and highly respect him for his research. John Lear has presented also many terrific finds and I could see most of what he pointed out how about yourself or are you still a nonbeliever?

Are you a disinformation agent and who do you work for or can you say and what is your debunker credentials? I am not here to convince you nonbelievers that life exists on Mars you will have to do that yourself if ever that takes place. I give my input of what I see you give your input of what you can not see. Rik Riley






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Well quite true ArMaP I confess I did get a copy from LPI as soon as I saw the post, however considering your attention to detail I thought it remiss not to mention the absence of a link but I wanted to be sure I had the right copy... and as I said time is not free for me right now until the middle of April... Its an 'on' year at work so I get little free time

He used models
He was a 'known hoaxer'

I am sure, of course, that you have evidence to back you up on this? Please be so kind as to share this evidence on the models he used..

Thanks much

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You are right, I should not forget my good posting habits, and that has happened sometimes in these last weeks, I even have forgot to tag some of the images that I uploaded to ImageShack to their original file name and source.

Now, can you answer my question? Have you thought of comparing image LO-5-156_h1 with image LO-5-155 before? And another question, do you still see a crane in image LO-5-156_h1?

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Of course, use the old disinformation agent cop out. That really proves your point. You are debunked.

Until you provide any sort of evidence you should refrain from posting the same old crap about every picture posted in this thread. We are trying to enjoy it.

I'll give you another clue, John Lear is gone, and for a reason. Of course maybe you can be the next conspiracy master Rik because you have about the same amount of evidence and proof backing up your claims as John Lear did.

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I don't have to go searching for evidence, the guy who posted it was banned and re-registered over and over again, he is not allowed here anymore. EVERYONE knows that F.A.S.T. stuff is complete B.S. and Rik Riley saw his usual amount of humanoids and aliens in the pictures. LOL.

Typical response from a skeptic...





Ummm try to get your facts straight...

It is not a cop out you are a disinformation agent prove me wrong. Refrain from posting? Who put you in charge? Thanks for the praise at least I have a new title conspiracy master. Yes I have my own visual evidence and proof to satisfy myself and you still see nothing, oh well.

Debunked is that all you can say? O.K. I will give you the title of official debunker, now does that make you happy?

John Lear thinks out of the box and behind the scenes has more information about what is going on in our Solar System then you could ever dream. I regret you are jealous of me and John and hope someday you can admit that you are a disinformation agent. Rik Riley

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A reason that you have no clue about..



Now how about trying to stick to the topic instead of personal crusades? Not too much to ask I hope?

Thanks

this is amazing
idnt know why they keep it secret

Wow, just... WOW.

I'm not going to start from the beginning of this thread so this may be a repeat. If so, my apologies, but it's warranted at this stage given Zorgon's "cranes" and such.

Pareidolia: a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon, and hidden messages on records played in reverse.

Zorgon, Lear, etc. are experiencing pareidolia. The "structures" that they see see are no more real than faces in clouds or the Virgin Mary in a grilled cheese sandwich. Their images, frankly, are terrible. I mean, really, really, awful...

Here's another example of pareidolia, although the "Lenin" image here looks MUCH more like Lenin than Zorgon or Lear's images look like the things they claim them to be!

Yea I will have to agree with the images being pareidoia. I read this whole thread (in sessions cuz well omg 260 pages) and the amount of times the word pareidolia was used was 132 times (jk I didn't count).

Nonetheless, it should not discourage the OP'ers or anyone for that matter in posting any anomalous image or video. So far - no smoking gun in my book. Seems this thread is quite dead with John Liar gone, people should still post stuff here or in a new thread... thanks.

'pareidoia' is a word that is used here by those blind to the reality to justify their own inability to see... so that makes 132 blind people in the thread... err 133



Oh it won't.... I just have been too busy to add more images right now... and the New Conspiracy Master Mike Singh is doing just fine on Mars and other subjects






That name is John LEAR unlike most everyone else he doesn't hide behind an avatar and phony anonymous name... the least you could do is get the spelling right and show us you have a little intelligence, n'est pas?

I'm not sure that wearing his batshiat craziness on his sleeve is all that commendable.

[edit on 4-5-2008 by Credulity Kills]

"Pareidoia" is a word used by those that are unable to write "Pareidolia".

And the above quote from Zorgon's post shows the problem we (from both sides of this "only rocks"/"mining equipment" question) face; most people from one side are not willing to accept that the other side may be right.

Saying that those that do not see the same things are blind makes you look like someone suffering from a superiority complex ("mere mortals see only rocks, the ones who see mining equipment are above mere mortals"), while those that dismiss all things "discovered" as Pareidolia (sometimes without even seeing what is talked about) makes them look the same way ("people who see mining equipment are only crazy or easily influenced, the ones who see rocks are always right").

That is why I look to all images, not because I am expecting to see ancient mining equipment or whatever in those images but to try to know what those images really show.

And yes, I am one of those that only sees rocks and dust on the Moon photos.

PS: According to Google, Pareidolia was only used two times before Credulity Kills' post, so now it was used a total of three times.

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Go ahead people, give rikriley more stars. He is one of the main reasons this forum is going to crap, and you guys support him.

WE ALL know why John Lear is gone. Maybe he finally went to research things instead of pulling things out of thin air and losing all the supposed pictures and evidence he has gained throughout the years.

You don't need disinformation agents here. When you have people like RikRiley posting, it makes all the valid posts look retarded.