John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS, page 22

Originally posted by Essedarius
I’m still really enjoying this thread.
I still don’t really see anything.

Sorry your not seeing anything but glad that your enjoying it.

Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way, I’m faced with a whole new landscape of questions, based on the following assumptions:

You can normally spot a genius but the volume of questions he wants answered.

1)
The mining operation is run by humans from earth. (If aliens are running things up there then these questions are obviously pointless.)

The mining operation may have long ago been started by the high tech civilizations that left us so much mythology and artifacts or by a even earlier race from another sun or another planet in our solar system. There might be activity in and around the old excavations but it's very likely not currently a mining operation but a military facility with some kind of direct energy weapon. Suffice to say ancient tunnels and structures makes for good storage and cover if your going to start a shooting war

2)
The humans hail from a single country (that is to say, it is not a multinational effort…call me a skeptic, but China, Japan, Britain, the U.S. cooperating on something like this and keeping it absolutely secret? Nope.)

Check out the game ' battlezone' to get a feel for what might well have happened on the moon while we watched the moon 'race' and such. Whoever currently operates that facility they probably long ago( late 60's or 70's) gained the upper hand and have been fortifying and expanding their bases ever since.

3)
The humans are mining Helium-3 as an energy alternative for use here on earth. (I know there are other valuable resources up there but, I think we can agree, none more so than He3.)

I just do not think it's viable to imagine that a active mining operation would be in operation to ship 'energy sources' back to earth and it certainly wont be something as simply as He3 anyways. If anything is in fact being shipped back to earth you would need to be operating rather large anti gravity craft to ship back enough to make it worth the while but imo those resources would be FAR better used to build up a industrial base on the moon using the shuttle/anti gravity craft simply to shuttle personal and critical equipment with.

So here’s what I don’t get (and there may be perfectly good answers here...I just don’t have the knowledge to come up with them):

No one has much knowledge to start with and if your not actively going to go search for it you better keep on asking questions!

1)
Once the initial MASSIVE expenditure is made to establish mining operations (and I default to the word “massive” only because I can’t think of a single word that would do the monetary amount justice),

Money is a artificial creation that has no basis in reality ( numbers on a computer screen) and to imagine anything impossible based on the monetary cost just suggest a very average perception of what they want you to think of money. Whatever the case my be the US GAO (Government Accountability Office) cant seem to track down a few trillion dollars ( X times 1000 000 000 000 ) worth of pentagon spending so if they actually spent that money on equipment/research they might very well have damn Walmart's on the Moon/Mars and probably a few of Saturn's moons. I obviously think they just pocketed most of it but I've been wrong before. If it's not clear yet there are simply NO technical hurdle's even if you want to do all this with a Saturn V!

almost 15,000 tons of regolith (lunar soil) has to be warmed up to about 1500 degrees (F) in order to produce 1 ton of He3. Does an operation like this really make economic sense?

If that is true ( i have no idea) it becomes readily obvious that their not there to do that and i would be surprised beyond belief if whoever is active there relies on rocket power to get anywhere....

2)
Obviously shuttles would need to be heading back and forth, picking up the He3 payload and bringing it back to earth. I think those of you living in California or Florida will agree: you can’t exactly “sneak” those things into our atmosphere…it’s a very recognizable event. One that doesn't go unnoticed.

As i said it makes very little sense to fly such a poor energy 'source' around burning that volumes of energy so i am rather sure that's not what their doing. Had they been that insane i assume that's what you would use a place like Diego Garcia for and from there you could launch a rocket a day without very many lay persons being the wiser. Not one trusts fishermen stories anyways!

3)
As you may have heard, the fossil fuel lobby is very strong here on earth.

Actually the energy control lobby is strong party and since they consider fossil fuels wasteful and easy enough to control that's what we are stuck with.

(No Bush jokes please…) An abundant source of He3 puts them, essentially, out of business.

Not while you can get a barrel of crude on the surface for probably no more than 50 US cents in Saudi Arabia and 300-600 cents in Russia.... Oil is still cheaper than water and peanut butter and He 3 flown by shuttle from the Moon ain't gonna change that reality any time soon.

That’s a lot of power evaporating. As we know, power like that doesn’t really evaporate…it has to be ripped away with a bang.

I think you can even try take a shotgun/tank/airplane/nuclear weapon to that kind of power and it's unlikely to have much if any effect. They have their feelers spread out rather far and wide and your more likely to do it by civil action and mass movements than by whatever violence you can apply.

Many oil folk have access to the most secret of information. If they caught even a whiff of this, they would blow the lid off it in a second. Wouldn't they?

The oil guys are bit players in a far larger picture ( who controls Royal Dutch shell- the biggest last i checked- and how on Earth do they manage it?) and to think that the common fat oil board chairman is in fact a menace to society is in my opinion ill informed. I have recently seen some information that suggest that without large subsidies most major US oil companies would have long ago gone the way of the dinosaur and if that is in fact true it would expose the energy control scam rather effectively in my opinion.

That’s what I have for the moment.
Feel free to tear up my assumptions and answer my questions.

Questions asked in a truly dispassionate way is never deserving of ridicule or abuse as it suggest a open mind with no evident ( consciously anyways) vested interested in one reality over another. True exploration and discovery may come from a obsessive/compulsive choice between possibilities but i for one don't think it's a good tool for discovering the vast web that revealed truth is part of.

I may be wrong…I really may…but logistically, it doesn't work for me.
Help me out.
Anybody.

Only amateurs ( so it's said) studies strategy so i can agree that with a rocket powered logistics system this is probably not a mining operation to return energy or rare minerals to the Earth.

Stellar