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reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 03:42 PM by internos
reply to post by whatsthatthingy



Hope you don't mind, but if someone asks something to someone ELSE than you, probably this "someone" hopes in a better answer than the one you are able to provide, and since you weren't able to find the source of the pic, you AREN'T able to answer to my question.
After said that, next time maybe we'll meet on a grammar-based forum, so you'll feel free to correct me as many times as you want, since english is not my mother tongue language. (BTW: how many languages do you know? you can show it to me in the chat.)

www.lpi.usra.edu...


www.lpi.usra.edu...

So, don't mind, anomalies are called so till someone ABLE to, can explain them. (Someone did it BETTER than you via u2u and this case was already CLOSED, for me): i leaved my previous post just in order to be correct.


[edit on 4/10/2007 by internos]



reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 04:19 PM by whatsthatthingy
Originally posted by internos
reply to
post by whatsthatthingy



Hope you don't mind, but if someone asks something to someone ELSE than you, probably this "someone" hopes in a better answer than the one you are able to provide, and since you weren't able to find the source of the pic, you AREN'T able to answer to my question.
After said that, next time maybe we'll meet on a grammar-based forum, so you'll feel free to correct me as many times as you want, since english is not my mother tongue language. (BTW: how many languages do you know? you can show it to me in the chat.)

www.lpi.usra.edu...


www.lpi.usra.edu...

So, don't mind, anomalies are called so till someone ABLE to, can explain them. (Someone did it BETTER than you via u2u and this case was already CLOSED, for me): i leaved my previous post just in order to be correct.


[edit on 4/10/2007 by internos]


Didn't mean ANY disrespect AT ALL in the previous post. Apologies if you found it offensive to you, but I fail to see where it ever was in any way offensive. And BTW English is not my first language either. Third language... If you post on a public forum, is it not assumed that someone else is going to give it a shot? Is it not the purpose that everybody gives it a shot?


reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 05:27 PM by zorgon



reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 06:39 PM by undo
Originally posted by zorgon
Thanks ArMaP

Some cool pics at that site










I have a rather funny question to ask:

Are you sure those pics are taken on the earth?

sorry, too rich to pass up.


reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 06:54 PM by sherpa
reply to post by zorgon



Thanks ArMap, Thanks Zorgon that does seem to prove the time of creation of the fiducial marks, although I have to admit I am still perplexed by this anomaly because I think there has been some editing.

I can only assume this must have been done around the Fiducial marks in other areas.

And don't forget that the negatives are MOON DUST now... they never came back to Earth... ( I would love to find those film cans up there )


I admire your enthusiasm Z but there is redundancy in this comment, if you were able to get your hands on these you wouldn't bother, just go and have a look around yourself


reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 07:01 PM by sherpa
reply to post by undo



Good point undo because to me it looks as if they have tried to camoflage that building behind some trees.

It's a Nasa thing you know.


reply posted on 4-10-2007 @ 08:08 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by Soloistaccepted fact of physics.


There is no such thing Its only a 'fact' until the next fact boots it out


Why does that happen?
Air resistance.

Because the Earth has an atmosphere (with breathable air~!) the feather and actually many other objects, for example a sheet of paper, will drag in the air and not cut through like a smoother more aerodynamic object will.

Now, the point of all this, let's take it to the moon. Since the moon has no air there should be no resistance keeping the feather from falling at the same rate as a much heavier object. If there is any air at all, a feather will never ever hit the ground at the same time as let's say a hammer, right?

Well low and behold, Commander David Scott of Apollo 15 did this exact demonstration on live TV from the surface of the moon.

Here's a web page about it :

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...

And here's a link to a youtube vid of the experiment :

www.youtube.com...


Well thank you Professor Soloist for that lesson in basic physics

Only thing is I have a couple of problems with this...

#1 Watching the film repeatedly and in frame by frame I can see the feather waiver... even in normal view this is obvious as the light reflects differently as the feather wavers on its way to the ground.

#2 Have YOU ever done this test on Earth? Drop a hammer at the same time as a feather from a height of four feet and recorded the results?

It *is* valid, no matter how much you seem to wish it not to be, you can't just discount 400 years of advanced scientific theory that has been proven. You should really read Stephen Hawking's book if you would like one of the most brilliant expert opinions on that specific experiment. I'm sure noone here is so sure that they can even approach his level of intelligence.


I gather with your 'preaching' "Low and behold..." that you are implying that one most have an IQ approaching Mr. Hawkins to be able to understand things.


If there had been ANY amount of air resistance, the feather could not have possibly hit the ground the same time as the hammer. No way. No how. There is no may not be, it's very valid.


Sure about this you are, yes? Hmmmmm? {Heavy Yoda accent here}

Well before you claim "No way. No how." I would suggest that you try it at home... you might be surprised {shocked} at the results...

Now air resistence would make the feather 'waiver' or 'twist' on the way down... as I see in the video. A height of four feet is not a long enough fall to show us much effect. and you would get a similar result on Earth

Don't want to try it at home? Well that's okay because someone did it for you...

4 minute video showing your version... then the Earth version at the end and giving both view points... very well done if I say so myself

LOW AND BEHOLD The Hammer and the Feather On Earth (and even here the feather BARELY waivers



Now then is there any way we can measure the time it took to hit the ground and figure out the actual height it was dropped from... and assuming they played this in real time... we should be able to get an approximate figure for gravity whether is 1/6th or .64



[edit on 5-10-2007 by zorgon]


reply posted on 5-10-2007 @ 05:07 AM by Soloist
Originally posted by zorgon
Well thank you Professor Soloist for that lesson in basic physics


You're most certainly welcome.


#1 Watching the film repeatedly and in frame by frame I can see the feather waiver... even in normal view this is obvious as the light reflects differently as the feather wavers on its way to the ground.


It appears to waver due to the weak live TV signal and the light reflecting off of it. Even if this was done in a vacuum chamber as you have suggested you should know that the only way it would move at all is if it were set in motion on the way down.


#2 Have YOU ever done this test on Earth? Drop a hammer at the same time as a feather from a height of four feet and recorded the results?


Why yes I have, this is basic Junior High physical science. We even experimented with using a vacuum pump and a tube to show that in a vacuum the feather does in fact fall at the same time due to it not having any air resistance.


I gather with your 'preaching' "Low and behold..." that you are implying that one most have an IQ approaching Mr. Hawkins to be able to understand things.


Sorry, you gathered wrong.



Sure about this you are, yes? Hmmmmm? {Heavy Yoda accent here}


Sure about this I am,yes.



Well before you claim "No way. No how." I would suggest that you try it at home... you might be surprised {shocked} at the results...


No way. No how. Sorry, I am not shocked at the results. They are exactly what I expect.



Don't want to try it at home? Well that's okay because someone did it for you...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

OMG, do you honestly believe that was real???? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Thanks for the best laugh I've had in this entire thread!!!!

Now, first of all in a rebuttal of a scientific fact (yes, they do exist) you post a video from a well known moon-hoax advocate!

As if that isn't telling you all you need to know right there, take a look at the feather as it hits the ground! Have you ever seen a feather clank back and forth like it was a solid piece of metal???? LOL !!!! It *could* be a real feather simply sprayed with a flat clear to make it solid and when dropped end down (notice the nasa vid , it's dropped sideways) which takes away the air resistance properties of the feather. Glue would do it too, but would most likely reflect light and not look real.

Please I urge you, instead of posting youtube videos of moon-hoax fanatics to go outside pick up a feather and drop it to see what happens. Ever own birds? Or been to a chicken coop? They literally float around in the air on Earth they do not plunge down to the ground!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!

Ever hear the expression "lighter than a feather" ...where would that come from if on Earth they fell like rocks??? HHAHAHAHA!!!
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