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John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by sherpa
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
 


Yes your right of course jpeg just creates those blocks, I just thought maybe undo might see a mask there and be able to do something with it.



I am not the best with photoshop, but i can try to play with things. I use PS 6 because my PS CS3 is too complicated to use...

so, if i sharpen the image a little and apply some contrast...voila!!! i highlighted something that to me looks very, very suspect.






posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Here are two images of Buildings at the HARRP facility a before and after. This was under contract by Guy Cramer's company.





More samples on this page by Guy Cramer H.A.R.R.P



You do realize that the after picture is done with a computer and just an overlay on the original buildings image, correct?

I'm not nitpicking or anything, I'm not sure if you're aware or not, that's all.


Now, my apologies first of all for posing this question if it has been asked before, but all this talk of surface structures,mining operations, parking garages, bases, etc...

Can someone tell me logically why in the world (heh) would an advanced (or even our) civilization put *any* valuable surface structure in such a violent place that would be the equivalent of building your house on a bombing range? With no atmosphere to burn up the meteors you would be a sitting duck, which is ok if you're there on a temporary mission, you're taking your chances, but is just foolish on a permanent basis.

That just does not make any sense to me whatsoever, the Leonids alone looked like a carpet bombing.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Soloist


You do realize that the after picture is done with a computer and just an overlay on the original buildings image, correct?

I'm not nitpicking or anything, I'm not sure if you're aware or not, that's all.


I didn't realize that, actually I didn't even think about it as I think Zorgon was showing what kind of work Cramer does. Thanks for the head up!



Now, my apologies first of all for posing this question if it has been asked before, but all this talk of surface structures,mining operations, parking garages, bases, etc...

Can someone tell me logically why in the world (heh) would an advanced (or even our) civilization put *any* valuable surface structure in such a violent place that would be the equivalent of building your house on a bombing range?


The moon is not a violent place. Its a much nicer place than earth. They have lakes, rivers, forests, vegetation (yes, deserts also) and a lot of super advanced technolgy.


With no atmosphere to burn up the meteors you would be a sitting duck, which is ok if you're there on a temporary mission, you're taking your chances, but is just foolish on a permanent basis.


My opinion is that the moon has a breathable atmosphere and there is no problem with meteors, any more than there is here on earth.


That just does not make any sense to me whatsoever, the Leonids alone looked like a carpet bombing.


My opinion is a that the moon is over 5 billion years old and has been many places in the solar system, if not further, much further away. It is unlikely, in my opinion, that all the craters you see on the moon were caused while it was parked temporarily here in orbit around earth.

Thanks for the post Soloist.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by johnlear

The moon is not a violent place. Its a much nicer place than earth. They have lakes, rivers, forests, vegetation (yes, deserts also) and a lot of super advanced technolgy.


I guess violent is a relative term, I was speaking of the more than 400 small bombs that crash into the moon on a yearly basis, that to me seems violent.




My opinion is that the moon has a breathable atmosphere and there is no problem with meteors, any more than there is here on earth.


I will suspend my belief that there is not a breathable atmosphere for a moment, and even in doing so there *is* a problem with meteors. That is an undeniable fact as impacts have been witnessed by countless amateur astronomers, even if there is a breathable atmosphere it is in no way a protective one.

The best example of evidence of that would be the larger moon rocks brought back that have many tiny impact craters in the rocks due to being pelted from pebble sized meteoroids. This could not in any way happen with a protective atmosphere, as small sized particles would be burned away high in the atmosphere.

I think that if a pebble traveling at over 100,000 mph can make such a dent in a rock like that, it would definitely put a nice dent in one's head. Or a good sized lump.




My opinion is a that the moon is over 5 billion years old and has been many places in the solar system, if not further, much further away. It is unlikely, in my opinion, that all the craters you see on the moon were caused while it was parked temporarily here in orbit around earth.


If that is so, then it really doesn't matter *where* the craters came from, the fact that it has so many ... that alone shows me that it does not have protection from them no matter it's location or their origin.


Nasa is just now beginning to take the problem seriously as they are considering putting more focus on staying on the moon longer this time around. They appear to be worried about the matter and are reaching out for help from amateur astronomers to help them record the frequency and locations of the "explosions" (if you want to call them that). Why would they do that if the moon doesn't have a problem with meteors?



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 04:59 PM
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For JohnLear

Dont know if you have seen this structure yet, i've drawn a box around the structure. Looks like a tunnel with an entrance wall & dirt track with disturbed dirt .... kinda looks like a road.


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posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 07:47 PM
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so, if i sharpen the image a little and apply some contrast...voila!!! i highlighted something that to me looks very, very suspect.


Yes..another area of boxes and rectangles, but is it real or is it Memorex.

And thats the problem with most of these images it would take a digital image expert to tell what is going on.

This pic like so many others are such a tease because you can easily see the potential and you wish you could have just a little more resolution or maybe just a little less air brushing/masking.

I would like to find out where abouts on the moon this is so I could compare with say Clem or Apollo to see if they exhibit the same vagueness.



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 09:44 PM
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While the subject of Tsiolkovski is still relatively fresh here, I thought I'd refer back to a pic I posted a few months back.



Source:

astrogeology.usgs.gov...

file is "3121_h1_raw"...17mb gzip.


I thought this portion of the photo looked pretty interesting...



There are two apparent geometric structures next to each other in the bottom right portion of this pic that don't look natural to me. I don't know why, but the whole area just looks strange. Not sure what they would be used for, but they look to be in a nice, elevated, fairly level location.



That structure that looks like a keyboard key just doesn't look natural.

The peaks casting shadows just don't look like they should be there (naturally) either


I'd really like to see another hi-res pic of the same area to compare, but I can't find one... anyone?



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by sherpa
And thats the problem with most of these images it would take a digital image expert to tell what is going on.


LOL I assume you don't count me


Well ask Jack He IS and an amateur astronomer and has had 'secret' clearance in the day. But pick only one or two He is busy tracking down those Russian robotic cargo vessels We found them a LOT of them imagine Henry Ford and the Model T now stick a 'Progress" on the line and you will get the picture

We are checking permissions and public status of these images etc Bear in mind these are Russian sources so we tread carefully



posted on Sep, 12 2007 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Soloist
You do realize that the after picture is done with a computer and just an overlay on the original buildings image, correct?


Yes I know that but they are as John says examples of the work Guy does for the government. We could show you the 'real stuff' but that crosses the line into stealth tech even though the patents are publicly available. I will not cross that line... the 'rabbit ' has advised me against it... but you can look into it yourself... we gave you more than we had when we started




Can someone tell me logically why in the world (heh) would an advanced (or even our) civilization put *any* valuable surface structure in such a violent place that would be the equivalent of building your house on a bombing range? With no atmosphere to burn up the meteors you would be a sitting duck, which is ok if you're there on a temporary mission, you're taking your chances, but is just foolish on a permanent basis.

That just does not make any sense to me whatsoever, the Leonids alone looked like a carpet bombing.


That would be true IF the Moon was as you say it was... but perhaps you have not been let in on the whole story...

First there has not been one major meteorite that has hit the moon in recorded history Not one... There were a few Leonid strikes last year (funny the location of these strikes...




They did little damage. So in recorded history not one hit... yet we build cities on Earthquake zones, under dams and volcanoes and even below sea limit (Orleans)

If it was so Hostile would NASA build inflatable shelters? Jack pointed these out in "The Secrets of Tsiolkovski"



The image below is from Jack's page The image on the right and left are near Tsiolkovski Crater The one in the center is a complex of those dones above, a project that he worked on...





As to the Leonids do they not strike anything in orbit around Earth? How many satellites etc have been taken out by meteors?

Robert Bigelow of Bigelow Aerospace from Las Vegas is planning Hotels in Space (Only in Vegas baby) His modules are inflatable as well. If a Leonid hits it it goes right through and you just patch it


Here it is being inflated (Launched by the Russians when NASA refused)



And here is another Only from Vegas first Projection Advertising in Space




Read all about it....
www.bigelowaerospace.com...

BTW did I mention that I have a NASA paper that shows we had electromagnetic shielding back in 1964?



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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon

US, China Space Agency Chiefs Hold Talks Amid Proliferation Concerns
*shortened*
O'Keefe had said last month it was premature to speculate whether the Chinese would become a partner in any of NASA's space exploration goals.



Now you see, so many of the countries suddenly pulled out of the space race - not that it is really a race anymore but, ok, you get the point
, so now NASA decides it will be "good for business" to "team" up with the Chinese? WHY? So they can control what is put out there! How very clever! I hope to God the Chinese tell NASA to take a running jump into oblivion and then go it alone. Perhaps take them a little longer to achieve what they need to but they will not be "censored" by their "partner" NASA.

Go it ALONE China!! Chine will be played like a puppet. No doubt!



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 03:50 AM
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Richard Hoagland just announced over C2C that he will be showing the comparison side by side images of the Apollo Moon mission photos from the orginial ones that Ken Johnston saved from being destroyed to the ones currently being made available from NASA on there own webpage.

He'll be showing these images in San Francisco at the Wisdom Festival being held at the Cathedral Hill Hotel on Sept 15 and 16th.

PS tell Mark told him about Ken's past work history in the photo archives dept of
NASA in Houston.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Very soon, within the next 5 years or so, several countries will have satellites orbiting and taking hi-res photos of the moon (japan, china, india).


Now hear this!


If any of this BS is true, then we'll see soon enough.


That should settle it sure enough. Easy as that. Like picking up the phone and calling public relations to dispel any doubts. See there? No conspiracy, what's the big deal?


And of course, it isn't, so those of us with common sense will be awaiting all the excuses you guys make up as to why these other countries don't release information or doctor their photos too, lol.


If naivety is common sense, then those of you for which you speak have loads of common sense.


And some of these missions the raw data will be able to be received publicly at the same time mission control receives it.


We want you to verify what we find as well. Get to your homework.


I'm sure you will say the missions are fake, or they have on board, automatic photo editing to hide "anomalies" or that it was all pre-doctored, loaded up before launch and just transmitted from lunar orbit to keep everyone fooled.


Yep, we fool everybody because of the fat bank accounts it creates. Man, you should see the wad of cash I have picked up just on this thread! Everybody is sending me money for pictures! And just look at those points, we could cash them out on a rainy day too!


There is no end to your imagination, and your reason as to why NONE of what you claim could ever be proven or disproved. How convenient for you.


No, its convenient for you that we have no way of definitively proving any of this. As long as we stay on the ground you can come in here and say whatever you want. In the old days it was hallucination or drugs, now imagination is the culprit for any deviation from the norm. It would be great if we could stop thinking and dreaming for your sake, but as the world revolves about the Sun instead, we will just continue carrying on with curiosity.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 08:22 AM
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Nice find Zarni, looks a bit like longhorn.



I'd really like to see another hi-res pic of the same area to compare, but I can't find one... anyone?


And isn't that always the way when you want to make comparisons it is difficult finding other images with the same resolution.



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 08:30 AM
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LOL I assume you don't count me

Well ask Jack He IS and an amateur astronomer and has had 'secret' clearance in the day. But pick only one or two He is busy tracking down those Russian robotic cargo vessels We found them a LOT of them imagine Henry Ford and the Model T now stick a 'Progress" on the line and you will get the picture


Hey Z you can always comment on the images here I know that.

Does Jack ever look here ?, or would I have to email him, assuming I can find his address somewhere.

I can't wait to pop into my local showroom and order the latest Progress model, any colour you like as long as it's black is that it ?



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 08:57 AM
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Those pics Skydancer is on about sound interesting, wish we could get C2C here in the UK! I'm still finding interesting things on the images that springer posted .... think i just found something that looks like a car / truck !



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by scepticsRus
Those pics Skydancer is on about sound interesting, wish we could get C2C here in the UK!


You can if you subscribe. It costs about $50 for a YEAR. You can listen to hundreds of shows (1000's of hours) from past to present. Has to be the bargain of the century.... next to ATS that is!



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by sherpa
Does Jack ever look here ?, or would I have to email him, assuming I can find his address somewhere.


Oh yes all the time but simply send it to me and I will forward it. Just give us the specific image and /or the source. You have my email. Jack is busy 'digging for gold' in Russia and fighting off the bears




I can't wait to pop into my local showroom and order the latest Progress model, any colour you like as long as it's black is that it ?


Why Sherpa I am surprised at you, everyone KNOWS black is a bad color for spaceships...




posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 05:12 PM
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Now we get a chance to see whats really up there, providing NASA does not automatically censor it...



That is a 'public' image of Kaguya on its way to the Moon this morning...



posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 06:04 PM
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Thanks matyas for that.

I did not know about this so for anybody else that doesn't this is the first site I found on the subject.


www.planetary.org...





About an hour after lift-off, solar panels will be deployed. Twenty days later, the satellite will be placed into a long elliptical orbit; after another 40 days, the spacecraft will achieve its 100-kilometer circular orbit. After each shift in orbit, small satellites will be separated. Three months later, the data transmission bus and mission instruments will undergo thorough checkup. Once this is complete, observations will start. However, before everything is completely ready, camera tests will be carried out, so some of the images so obtained may be released to public depending upon the situation. As for the high-resolution images to be taken by the NHK camera on the way to the Moon, we are now in the process of coordination with NHK how to deal with them.


We have to wait 3 months for any images but to be a complete cynic I am not holding my breath unless they declared all images to be released.

However I would be a party animal if the images showed any anomalie

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posted on Sep, 13 2007 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Matyas
Now we get a chance to see whats really up there, providing NASA does not automatically censor it...



That is a 'public' image of Kaguya on its way to the Moon this morning...


That's strange. Their website says its launching in 5 minutes and I'm watching what appears to be a live web feed here...

www.jaxa.jp...

EDIT/UPDATE:
It just launched at 6:31 PDT. Pretty good live stream really. English interpreter on hand too. Looks like everything went well




[edit on 13-9-2007 by Zarniwoop]



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