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posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 09:42 AM
Hello Mr Lear, or John, which ever you rpefer to be called. I have a simple questio. What are your views on Helium-3 as a whole. Ive been doing alot alot of research on it, and since you have alot of info on Lunar mineing i was wunderign what your veiws on Helium-3 are.

Take Care&Stay Safe, Vix

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:14 AM
250kg of fruits and vegetables:

Considering that it has to last 5 month, that there are 5 astronauts on board, and we have 30 days/month, ... 250kg/5astronauts/5month/30days = 0.3kg.

0.3kg of fruits and vegetables per day for a person seems acceptable.

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 10:57 AM
Originally posted by looofo

250kg of fruits and vegetables:

Considering that it has to last 5 month, that there are 5 astronauts on board, and we have 30 days/month, ... 250kg/5astronauts/5month/30days = 0.3kg.

0.3kg of fruits and vegetables per day for a person seems acceptable.

Hmmmm. Any idea how they keep the fruits and vegetables fresh for 5 months? Just asking.

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 11:01 AM
The Veg can be stored (Im still eating last years Onions and Potatoes ) or precooked (blanched) and then frozen.
The fruit is probably picked unripe and will ripen up over time.
Ever seen green bananas in a shop?

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Vixion

Hello Mr Lear, or John, which ever you rpefer to be called. I have a simple questio. What are your views on Helium-3 as a whole. Ive been doing alot alot of research on it, and since you have alot of info on Lunar mineing i was wunderign what your veiws on Helium-3 are.

The most common use for Helium 3 is in fusion reactors which have been secretly developed for use in many different applications. Most believe that we are still trying to get fusion reactors to work. Like most believe the ISS is the only Space Station in orbit around the earth. But of course, most people would be wrong because they don't have access to very highly classified information. And neither do I. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put together the circumstantial information that would lead to obvious answers.

Helium3 is probably mined on the moon and tranferred to lunar orbit in a liquid state. A shuttle probably runs from lunar orbit to low earth orbit with the liquid which is then transferred to any one of a number of secret space stations orbiting earth. It is then brought down to earth by any number of vehicles making that trip including the Space Shuttle.

Thanks for the post.

posted on Sep, 5 2007 @ 02:58 PM

Originally posted by zorgon
We provide you with all the necessary info to get a copy yourself and in many cases when its not in violation of copyright, I post these that we have paid for for free on the livingmoon for others to study

Hope that helps you a little...
Sorry, I am having too little time to read the posts, so when I do not have enough information on the posts I do not have enough time to jump to a different site to read the information.

In this case I only had time to look into the PDF files, I had not the time to read them, and I got the idea that the source for those PDFs was the site you posted after my complaint.

As I said once, I understand that there are many sources that can not be posted on ATS because of copyright laws or because of their type, but I hope you understand that for someone with very little time available on work days, seeing links to other sites on the posts after only part of the information, or all of the information but not the original source, it's a little discouraging seeing only that information, like a "batteries not included" sign on a new toy.

As to NASA I have NEVER said that I don't trust NASA documents... I simply maintain that there are two side to NASA (most likely three actually)
You are right, I remember now that you had already said that some time ago, but it's difficult to keep all this information and the information in all the other threads in my head after a 9 or 10 hours working day and knowing that I can not have vacations this year.

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 12:27 AM

Originally posted by zorgon

Like the images they have been showing with a black and white moon and a bright blue Earth, yet the Galileo images show the same living color that Mikes image has even though Mikes is 10 times better resolution than the best Galileo image available online

NASA even has a document on the Lunar atmosphere

So why the duality? I have no idea... but I find the "hidden in plain site" data a lot more interesting than the public released stuff

[edit on 5-9-2007 by zorgon]

When I read the public consumption stuff, I honestly think some of the NASA authors know much more and are just doing their jobs. I believe NASA is definitely up to something that some insiders would like others to figure out. And then we have the new dynamic of increased international participation in the space program.

The JAXA orbiter launching this month has HDTV... I hope the live feed is available on TIVO

The High Definition Television Camera (HDTV) carried aboard SELENE is designed to take movies of the lunar surface and the Earth from lunar orbit. The HDTV is mounted on the lower (propulsion) module.

Of course, China has their own LO scheduled for 2007 as well. I'm sure they'd like to come out with a great "discovery" to challenge the U.S. (public) space program, but consdering their censorship practices, I don't think we'll be seeing anything fruitfull from this mission to the public.

Where does that leave us? ... right back to this thread and the great research being performed

PS. Nice job Zorgon and John on the ISS, SSS, ATSS research

I missed a few days here and am trying to catch up now. Hope you had a great time in S.F.

- Zarni

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 01:40 AM

Originally posted by looofo
250kg of fruits and vegetables:

Considering that it has to last 5 month, that there are 5 astronauts on board, and we have 30 days/month, ... 250kg/5astronauts/5month/30days = 0.3kg.

0.3kg of fruits and vegetables per day for a person seems acceptable.

Except that according to NASA from that same report...

The on-orbit shelf life is two to three days for most fresh fruit and vegetable items because there is no refrigeration. There is a need to store fresh fruits and vegetables longer periods of time in space, especially on the ISS. Odor control also needs to be addressed. Fresh fruits metabolize and cannot be sealed in a container.

So "Houston we have a problem! 400 lbs of rotting fruit is stinking up the place!"

posted on Sep, 6 2007 @ 01:53 AM

Originally posted by ArMaPYou are right, I remember now that you had already said that some time ago, but it's difficult to keep all this information and the information in all the other threads in my head after a 9 or 10 hours working day and knowing that I can not have vacations this year.

HA! And you think YOU have problems? Try it from my end
The data is coming so fast I usually get only 4 hours sleep...

But you are right too much data makes your head spin..

The problem is that the more we seek the answers, the more info comes our way... when we started it was a little trickle now its a flood from amazing sources..

To John: probably huh? LOL I will wait a bit and see who bites...

to Vixen: Helium 3... ask and it shall be revealed ... but pay attention... John and I know a little bit about that stuff... but it could get a little "heavy"

posted on Sep, 7 2007 @ 12:29 AM

Originally posted by johnlear

Hmmmm. Any idea how they keep the fruits and vegetables fresh for 5 months? Just asking.

Ethelyne oxide is what causes fruits to ripen. They release it, and the more that is present, the more a fruit will ripen.

My mom puts peaches in with apples to make them ripen faster and get sweeter in the off season. Why? Apples produce more ethelyne oxide than other fruits and will cause ripening to happen quicker. Try it with avocado's.

there are bags now that are selling on TV that will actually release the ethylene gas, so you can keep it sealed up. they will only makes carrots good for 2-3 weeks, so the 5 month question is beyond any quick answer I have. But there is chemistry involved that I am sure we could help alter.

posted on Sep, 7 2007 @ 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
PS. Nice job Zorgon and John on the ISS, SSS, ATSS research

I missed a few days here and am trying to catch up now. Hope you had a great time in S.F.

Thanks Zarni

And just for you I thought I would use this image to lead into..

"The Secrets of Tsiolkovski"

posted on Sep, 7 2007 @ 09:30 AM
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posted on Sep, 7 2007 @ 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Navieko
Probably nothing... but did you by anychance hear about this company yet?

Aristarchus Ltd.

My friends in the Military say... "There is no such thing as coincidence..." Nice find though

posted on Sep, 7 2007 @ 03:53 PM
Okay lets get started... I have been promising for some time and a few have already peeked...


First a liitle lesson in Moon Mining posted in the Infrared Thread... This is a point that you need to understand when asking... "But it would be to costly to mine the moon and haul it back to earth..."

Originally posted by sherpa

Now I know this is going to sound kinda "out there" but any oxide such as Ferrous oxide, Aluminium oxide etc means a reaction with oxygen ie oxidisation as far as I know.

LOL Okay then


Have not seen much Aluminum oxide up there, but most of the Iron on the Moon is Ferrous Oxide (FeO) an is a black powder while on Mars you get Ferric Oxide (Fe2O3) also known as ferric oxide, Hematite, red iron oxide - hence the red soil of Mars

But three main ones are more important Silicon Oxide (Glass), Titanium Oxide (Ilmenite) and Thorium Oxide, which is three times more abundant than uranium, is also a radioactive material.

And guess where all these minerals are concentrated? In the Copernicus? Aristarchus regions...


Now for an example lets say you wanted to make structures on the Moon... and Spaceships...

Well you could take Solar Furnaces (plenty of Sun up there they tell me) and melt down the Glass for use in Fiberglass structures...

The fantastic thing about doing this relatively simple process is that the BYPRODUCTS of making Glass from the Lunar Regolith are.....

Iron, Titanium and Thorium ore and FREE OXYGEN for breathing, water making and fuel ("burning" liquid O and H gives you water, so effectively rocket fuel exhaust is pure water) H and O need a small spark to release lots of energy and make water...

So ONE SIMPLE PROCESS and you get..
Fiber Glass domes..
Iron and Titanium for Spacecraft construction
Thorium for Nuclear Fuel
Rocket Fuel
Drinking Water
Breathable O2

Now before you say "It's all Fantasy.."

I want to refresh your memory about a term ISRU

In Situ Resource Utilization... In all the documents I have found on Lunar and Mars Mining they use this term... It simply means "What is found on the Moon, STAYS on the Moon" so no costly shipping back to Earth

The only exception to this I have found is Liquid H and O for fuel for return trips and that goes to LEO to "fuel dumps" at the Langranian Points... and liquid HE3 that comes back, though I do not yet know where it goes after reaching LEO

As to things like Gold etc... I see no mention of it, though in the big mine Like Copernicus it may be... I don't think they care. The above minerals... all of them... are lying around on the surface and all you need to do is process the Lunar dust... And HE3 is worth so much it makes gold worthless in comparison...


Lunar Regolith consists principally of silicates, in some cases as volcanic or impact glasses...

The logic employed in our reasoning includes the fact that any In Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU) effort is going to yield copious masses of silicon oxides which can be used in bulk as conventional glass products or, after further separation, can be synthesized as Silicon and Silicon- Carbide Fullerenes for more exotic applications. Additionally, mechanical wrapping of Silicon Webbing could prove to be more practical and durable and a lot less brittle than attempting large scale hot glass molding of structural components.

Identified fuel production ISRU efforts yield partially heated masses of metal oxides as waste byproduct – rich in silicates and metal oxides useful in bulk as conventional glass products. Fiberglass manufacturing increases effectiveness of prior ISRU fuel production by taking advantage of mineral benefaction and elevated process exit temperatures. The resulting structures would be spheres and cylinders with various configurations that could apply to human support systems, along with structures usable as storage tanks for the very Oxygen liberated in ISRU applications.

ISRU can manufacture more than fuels: even spacecraft are feasibly and affordably manufactured on Moon based upon fiberglass "tankage" integrated with fiberglass keels. Second generation structural components may take advantage of Silicon Nanotubes for additional composite strength. Diverse products for human systems support are manufacturable in-situ using glass fibers and fabrics, and CNC-type programmable manufacturing delivering state-of-the-art flexibility of remote design and parts manufacture. These concepts suggest extensibility and evolutionary capability derived when machining tool parts from fiberglass.

LPI 6034 PDF

So there you have your Oxygen

As to the Liquid Helium 3 I will point back to the "Lunar Generated Liquid Cargo Transport/Shuttle system on this patent... US PATENT 5,092,545

posted on Sep, 8 2007 @ 01:04 AM

Originally posted by zorgon

So ONE SIMPLE PROCESS and you get..
Fiber Glass domes..
Iron and Titanium for Spacecraft construction
Thorium for Nuclear Fuel
Rocket Fuel
Drinking Water
Breathable O2

Very cool, Z. This all makes a lot of sense and supports existing mining operations.

I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but what does Tsiolkovski have to do with all of this? I don't get the connection.

posted on Sep, 8 2007 @ 01:26 AM
ARRRGGG Wrong Link Sorry

LPI 6034 PDF

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but what does Tsiolkovski have to do with all of this? I don't get the connection.

Sorry I got an email while I was in the process of uploading the connection material and it has me a little ummm concerned I will put it in here shortly.

No its nothing obvious, otherwise everyone would know about it, but those who checked out Jack Arneson's additions would have a clue

Many Moons ago... in a land not so far away... (Russia) A man named Konstantin E Tsiolkovsky wrote a book...

Now he has been officially credited with inventing the liquid fuel rocket, the derrigible and even came up with the concept of the space elevator, but in a book called "Dreams of the Earth and Sky" (1895) he talks about people on the moon, gravity etc.

The image below is a Sketch from 1895 of a Gold Mine in Operation on the Moon by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky.

The tube connecting the pyramid shaped towers are clear glass as he shows people inside. This image would be of the Farside judging by the position of the Earth in the drawing and the shape of the spaceship above being that of what we call a standard UFO today is very interesting indeed.

He was a man ahead of his time, the Father of the liquid fuel rocket and even designed a space station with a revolving Torus (for gravity) complete with solar collectors, solar panels and a dish antenna... in 1896!!!! So how did he know about the Farside Mining Operation?

So you asked me what he has to do with the Moon Mining?

Simple ... he is the Father of that idea as well... so we have a long proud tradition here... and more to the point, he is Russian... and lately we have seen that Russia plays a bigger part in all this than we realized...
So it is only fitting that we begin with him... as we take another look at the crater that bears his name.

Before the Wright Brothers made their first flight, this man was designing space stations and liquid fueled rockets. He published his works in 1903, three months before man's first historic flight. His favorite fuel being liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Hydrogen was very difficult to produce back then. At the same time he realized that we would need multistage rockets to achieve orbit.

I also found three newspaper articles dated 1895... I did not yet buy a subscription to get the copy of the actual article but here they are..

Delphos Daily Herald, The Wednesday, February 06, 1895 Delphos, Ohio

Evening News, The (Newspaper) - March 12, 1895, Lincoln, Nebraska

Delphos Daily Herald, The (Newspaper) - August 28, 1895, Delphos, Ohio

Also covered by the BBC

In pictures: Living on the Moon, BBC News, 5 December 2006
"This sketch from 1895 shows a gold mine in operation on the Moon, tapping into fabulous resources."

And Internet Encyclopedia of Science, David Darling, Moon Base
"The idea of a colony on the Moon has long been a favorite of science fiction writers and space visionaries. Konstantin Tsiolkovsky described such a base, as did others as long ago as the late 19th and early 20th centuries."

When I free up a few dollars I will get those articles... but the fact is they exist So in 1895 a Mine on the Moon was known about by a famous Russian space pioneer and reported in main stream news in America

As the rest is not relevant to the mining, for more on him and his rockets you can find it on our website
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky

[edit on 8-9-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Sep, 8 2007 @ 02:41 AM

The following image is one we are familiar with, but we have all been looking at the wrong part of it...

From Jack Arneson's Page on The Living Moon...

"Take a look at the photos below first if you prefer but the text analyzes and explains what I think is in them. All off site links as well as the images open in a new window so you can do comparisons."

"This next clip is of a relatively high-res Apollo 15 photo from 119 km above the Moon's surface. While waiting for the LM to return, the Command Service Module Pilot Al Worden, was doing experiments and taking more photos. (70 mm Hasselblad, Mapping Metric and Panoramic) He also used hand-held 35 mm SLR cameras from inside the CSM."

"It looks like there are two structures similar to operations where I've worked at one time.

Other areas in the image could be related. There are two versions of this photo.

Here's the actual two versions at original resolutions from their respective sites:

Apollo Image Atlas

This is a very low-res version. All the photos in this magazine were scanned at low-res. and there isn't any real detail in any of them.

If you look at the full crater in the first image in the post you will see the "ear shaped" or "lobate" area to the lower right of the crater. Below is the actual high resolution image that has the anomalies from the Apollo journals. Following that Jack will take you through the text of what he has found and we will come back to actual clips of the area in question... so be patient

Apollo 15 Command Module Photo
Apollo Surface Journal

Why I Think These Are Structures In AS15-94-12741HR

They seem to have straight line 3D symmetrical shape in a configuration I'm familiar with. Shadows and shading are consistent with the images light direction. The outer edges of these "structures" conform to the surface terrain around them. The left structure's north end looks like there's industrial pipelines going into the ground.

The resemblance of NASA and other industries designs is very close. (comparison later) I was employed in the early 70's at an underground mining operation in NT, Australia that had a similar type of surface to subterranean layout. We used underground to surface conveying systems, protected within the pipelines.

Other shafts and pipelines contained access and personnel corridors, equipment transport and side connected tubes for workshops, engineering offices and break rooms. Self contained, climate controlled and some large enough to drive through.

Much like these underground and in mountain inserts and connectors, being constructed at Kirtland AFB for the Manzano Weapons Storage Facility located there. (Note they're big enough to drive into and these are small ones) The longer one shows the blast doors installed and the left end is open.

See the huge crane under the camouflage netting?

After verifying all the components fit properly, it's disconnected in smaller sections for transport. Then depending on the underground configuration, "T" and /or "Y" connectors are attached to branch off into other tubes. And for everybody's information, these are also used for access and expansion of existing underground bases that I guarantee you, do exist.

(I have place marks at these in Google Earth titled: Large Tube & Larger Tube)


This one is too large for the thread...

Tube ready to be inserted at newly constructed complex outside the main Manzano Facility. Note the open blast door at the larger complex where I have another place mark in GE.

And here is a closeup of the camouflage netting that is not completely in place when this shot was taken. You can see how easy it is to hide something if they want to

Here are two images of Buildings at the HARRP facility a before and after. This was under contract by Guy Cramer's company.

More samples on this page by Guy Cramer H.A.R.R.P

[edit on 8-9-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Sep, 8 2007 @ 02:56 AM
Back to the photo...

My Theory On What They May Be

Underground Mining and Processing Sites. Along with habitat and laboratory modules. And possibly support sites in the near areas.

Before you call the nearest institution on me, consider this... The caption in the version from the Apollo site reads: "Lunar Orbit View: Lobate Landslip Outside Northeastern Rim Of Tsiolkovsky" The landslide debris is the "chunky" area at bottom left in the photo. What better mining conditions when you have a massive section of wall several miles wide and hundreds of feet high already collapsed?

On one of the largest ejecta blankets on the planet... (more on that below) And Tsiolkovsky is considered one of the more recent impact craters, in geological time.

The first site is just above the bulk of the rubble. The second site looks to be 3 to 5 miles to the east in this images orientation. Because of the Command Orbiter's flight path, east is actually NNW in the Hi-Res photo. The scaled image width of the photo is approximately 15 miles.

So what's being mined?

Any number of minerals and elements. Titanium, Helium 3, Regolith, Gold and possibly elements or minerals that don't exist on Earth.

And oxygen!

Scientists and astronomers have already confirmed that craters are disappearing from the surface. Past large impacts splattered sub-surface material and what's left of the meteor, asteroid or comet in what's called ejecta all around the newly formed crater. Astronauts brought back crater ejecta full of oxygen. It makes sense that this can be mined and stored in underground silos or containment vessels for later use.

Pegasus Note:
See LPI document 6034.pdf (Linked a few posts back) This document is about ISRU mining of Lunar dust and regolith to produce glass from Solar furnaces to make fiberglass structures on the Moon. As a byproduct of this glass making process they get iron oxide and titanium oxide, AND free oxygen to use for breathing and making rocket fuel (liquid oxygen)

The term ISRU is something you need to get familiar with... it means In Situ Resource Utilization... in other words what IS on the Moon , STAYS on the Moon..

The following is an excerpt from;

The NASA Moon Photos
My Story of dealing with NASA in the 1970's
by Vito Saccheri

"In 1980, another puzzle piece fell into place. A friend had shown me a special congressional subcommittee report on moon rocks brought back by the astronauts and a feasibility study on colonizing the moon. The document was dated 1972 or `73 and concluded that moon colonization using giant plastic air bubbles was unrealistic and that we would need to transport air from the earth. The congressional report concluded that there was plenty of oxygen on the moon trapped in the rocks. The recommended solution: pulverize the rocks on a large scale with major excavations. The liberated oxygen would be stored in underground caverns and tunnel systems and the debris from these pulverized rocks dumped into the existing craters. Naturally, the craters would eventually disappear, an observation made by astronomers long before the first moon landings and, ironically, one that had initially prompted Leonard and other scientists of the 1950s to analyze early moon photos".
My Story of dealing with NASA in the 1970's

More information if you can find it:

"Somebody Else Is on the Moon"

written by a former NASA scientist, George H. Leonard. Leonard had been working in the photo intelligence division of NASA. My note: Why would NASA have the need for a photo intelligence division? I can think of only one reason... they have photos they don't want us to see. I have seen this book (paperback version) and it doesn't show anything in the grainy photos that he sees but the info in it is interesting.

OK... enough of my, "You must be nuts" theory.

However, not one person in the scientific community or NASA circles has explained to me in any uncertain terms as to what these shapes are! So I'm allowed. One more point. Now the question is...

Who is doing the mining?

Well... if astronomers have been watching craters disappear long before we sent our first Moon landing....?

And then there's these... Operations in progress today...

One of the Atlas Copco rigs emerging from the new incline shaft. One of the things we have been told by "insiders" is to "think about automation" That means Automated Cargo Carriers and Robotic Machines to do most of the work... (images courtesy of Assmang Manganese Mines, South Africa )

If you look at the tube in the top picture, we found evidence of just such a tube structure in Copernicus Crater.... The resolution on the copy of LO-III-162 that we have from an original un-retouched 16x20 negative is extremely high res., but because of the scale objects are still difficult to find....

posted on Sep, 8 2007 @ 03:22 AM
Getting back to the photo again...

The reflectivity of the shapes are consistent with other areas in the image and not overly over-exposed. It can be determined the shapes are in the photo and not on the glass or negative by analyzing the focal point. If on the glass or negative, after being re-photographed and later scanned, the shapes would be over exposed into a "blooming" effect, giving the edges and the bulk of the shapes a bright Gaussian type blur. Much brighter than the images brightest feature. The focal point being the surface terrain, shows these objects consistency of pixellation with the area around them when enlarged.

Debris on the glass or negative would pixellate at different levels. And if debris, it would be closer to the scanning light than the subject being scanned, making them blurrier and brighter. And here's something everyone should know. Like most new technologies, scanners were available to the military long before they became available to the public. Although most were re-photographed in smaller sections from the large mosaics into 16x20 prints.

The AS15-94-12741 photo is not from a mosaic, it was taken with the 70 mm Hasselblad. You'll see what looks like hair or fibers in the scanned Hi Res. photo. On closer inspection, they are actually rills and channels created by smaller impacts in the area. I first thought the shapes were common errors created from debris on the scanner glass or an anomaly in the negative until I enlarged it and took a closer look at the two shapes that are visible without enlargement. Some of the smaller specks, smudges and dark lines scattered around this image, are probably from the scanner glass, on the camera window or negative itself.

Why I Think The Shapes Are Not Scanning Or Other Errors

On the Lunar and Planetary Institute (LPI) site, there are dozens of mosaics (of the Lunar Orbiter images) that have developing and scanning errors. Some are caused by developing solutions drying on the negatives. Some are oily fingerprints transferred to the negatives. Others have sticky tape residue on them. Others show tape or clips that were used to hold the print strips in place when creating mosaics. And numerous other causes. I'm sure cosmic radiation had a hand in creating film anomalies. Some look like an airman spilled beer on them. (Karl Wolfe)?

But most of them are dried condensation on the negatives and prints from poor storage practices before and after the mosaics were created. When scanned in visible light scanners, these errors get overexposed and create the blurry patterns. But it's hard to tell which came first, photos that were scanned then re-photographed... or re-photographed prints that were scanned and then digitally re-photographed. It really doesn't matter, the fact that they have these errors is the point.

The original negatives of Lunar Orbiter images were created and developed on board the spacecraft by an automatic process, then scanned in strips by a video camera, then transmitted to Earth. The strips visible on Lunar Orbiter images are these scan lines. Lunar Orbiter numbers such as LO-III-162-H1 is ONE images. LO-III-162 strip is THREE IMAGES together More HERE

And I've seen some web sites that claim these patterns are bases. They are not. It's too bad some people manipulate photos to "enhance" the area. And when it doesn't look quite real enough, all boundaries are crossed in the name of sensationalism and authenticity. And no matter how many sets of letters are behind someone's name, detail can't be created by making it bigger than it was meant to be viewed.

If the original photo doesn't show any detail at just 100%, there isn't any!

The more you enlarge any photo, the less detail you have and more pixellation at the same time, resulting in shapes seemingly taking on transmutations but usually with some help. The same goes for hi-res scans of low-res photo negatives.

Even in this hi-res scanned photo I found. In fact, I've removed all the enlargements I've made on other pages because they really don't bring out any detail, just larger pixels. (with the exception of the Wisps and the circular object which are only 2x enlargement)

But this AS15 photo does show detail at just 100% so enlarging it doesn't alter its shape or form. And everyone should know, I'm not claiming anything in these pages, and haven't. Just sharing my observations, theories and experiences as well as knowledge on photography and optics.

There are only two ways to confirm what's real or not... The authority that created it comes forward with all the data or we go there ourselves... I'll volunteer.

On this page, I've include a few examples to show you what these common and uncommon errors look like. You'll see that the errors extend into space, well away from the surface and some, off the edge of the negative itself.
[Note: This page is being completed and will be ready soon. It will be linked from THIS PAGE

(These web sites don't show you that part) You'll agree they all are completely different from the two shapes in this photo. I have looked at every photo (thousands) on these two sites over the years and there isn't one other photo with the same shapes as in AS15-94-12741HR.

If anyone has, I would like to know the photo number please.

One more note: I was so intrigued with this photo I emailed the authority that scans the negatives in a very high resolution .tif format for the public. (57 Mb).

When it's ready, assuming they have the requested negative, they send you an email with a web site to download it from. (In my case it took only one day before I was notified) I was really excited while I waited for it to download. Then reality. It looks like a blown up copy of the low-res version. Nothing in it. Not even the smaller impact signs. And it was so dark that when I lightened it up, it barely looks like the same photo.

So I won't post it here, it's not worth taking up my space. Just blow up the low-res version to 57 Mbs and you'll have the same thing. Or you can request it yourself from the above link.

(Here's a tip: They want to know what you're going to do with the images... I'm sure for copyright concerns.) "Research on... or for...." is the correct answer... you fill in the rest)

Knowing optics and techniques of developing, scanning and photo analysis, the scanned negative image made for me looks to be altered. Or at the very least, scanned at low-res then enlarged. Here's the actual two versions at original resolutions from their respective sites:

LPI Low Resolution

Apollo Journal High Resolution

What I Found in the Apollo 15 Image

4x enlargement of natural and color sharpened

The west site's north end not only looks like it has pipelines going into the ground, it has a "cut-out" above it's center. At our processing site we also had a 50 ft deep, 100 ft wide trench, 200 ft long where waste material was dumped then loaders filled trucks to haul away and bury.

That "slot", is darker than the surrounding area. If the waste material is being relocated somehow, we should all be checking old and new photos of the surrounding areas of Tsiolkovsky for smaller insignificant craters, to see if any have filled up.

I'm not suggesting the material is being trucked out. But if this kind of technology was in place back then, there would be technology for a kind of lunar transporter too. Whether it be on wheels or having flight capabilities or possibly both. Or how about a deeper trench, reinforced on the inside to prevent collapse?

And what about what looks like a large cylinder in the lower area at this east site.... a TBM? Exactly like the two TBM's below. Notice the top end of it is a little wider than the rest of it. And to me it looks like there's a jointed boom attached to it.

A design from the early 70's. This type is expandable to any configuration. The similarity of the components to the east site is astounding. (Pegasus Note: Jack refers to something that will be shown in the video below...)

And the scale of the TBM looking cylinder is correct.
[NOTE: See the full page for more on the TBM's HERE

Below is a comparison...

And highlighted...

I highlighted in yellow other areas of suspicion

It seems logical there would be support sites. We had them at the remote location in Australia for exploratory teams, logistics support sites, security, transportation and local resident personnel. So I looked even closer. I can't believe what I'm seeing. Although these other areas are very small, some have a little detail.

posted on Sep, 8 2007 @ 03:32 AM
The Secrets of Tsiolkovsky

I made this context image for easy location outside Tsiolkovsky. It took some time having only the above photo for reference. Like the shapes, the landslide rubble has a unique pattern also. That's what I looked for and eventually found it's location. It's about a twenty five mile diameter sink-hole. Now we know what a "Lobate Landslip" is.

If they had said, "a sink-hole outside Tsiolkovsky", I would have found it in a second instead of the two hours trying to locate it. Lobate is not a term used in mining or any other profession with the exception of medical which it's used for describing the lobes or condition of... according to Webster's.

(The "Lobate Landslip" in this case refers to the lobe like shape (as in ear lobe) of the area. I have heard that term in geology, but its rarely used)

Modern space exploration has given NASA and the scientific community a new and confusing vocabulary. Most of the new terminology they use are derivatives of foreign languages. Which makes them even more confusing if you happen to know those languages. Another little frustrating effect this has on me is... Just because the Moon is a foreign planet doesn't mean we have to give all it's features foreign names.

Craters and features named after people is fine but the rest is Greek, Latin, Roman, Biblical and about a dozen others. I think I'll create a Moon map with all English words.

An AVI Version Implicating A Certain Organization.

This is one of the flight path revolutions and photos from Apollo 15's approach to the area.

What's interesting to me is... they were interested enough to take this HiRes photo of the sink-hole. (although I'm sure Commander Worden wasn't watching the surface all the time. He was busy with other experiments and had scheduled duties to perform) Also, I don't know if the cameras were taking photos automatically or manually. And then eventually this photo was chosen to be posted at the Apollo archive.

But no others of the surrounding area. That could suggest they didn't want to hide it. I've also noticed the Apollo archive hasn't posted any other photos showing clear errors. The way the archive is set up, they have the photos in close sequence in each missions time frame with what looks like selected photos that would fit within that time frame. So... they were able to be selective in what was posted.

So why would they post only one that has errors in it and not mention that little fact? Or why didn't they select the next or previous sequential photo? The AS15 photo was taken with the 70 mm Hasselblad which has a 5 inch wide negative. The prints this can produce and still be clear is more than half the size of your average poster. But they most likely used 16x20 or the largest at 20x24 prints for ease of search. Someone had to see this.

Another odd note is... on the Lunar Orbiter site (LPI), the previous sequential photo, #12740 is the same photo rotated. What's at the lower end of this sink-hole? I haven't been able to locate any other photos around this area of Tsiolkovsky from this AS15 group.

Except for the group from the Lunar Orbiter site which are all lo-res. And the wider angle mapping metric high altitude passes. After my experiences with the scanning authority, I want to find another source.

They probably do exist but they aren't readily available online, unless you want to trust the above library. And there are other agencies that have copies.

All High Res. Lunar Orbiter images went to the Department of Defense. Here is a link to the defense contractor that made the cameras... ITT. They make these statements...

"On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table."

"The first three missions, dedicated to imaging 20 potential Apollo landing sites, were flown at near equatorial orbits as close as 22 miles above the lunar surface. The fourth and fifth missions were devoted to broader scientific objectives, and were flown in high altitude polar orbits."

"The 1600 pictures captured in total by the five Lunar Orbiters using the ITT photographic system enabled photogrammetrists at NASA and the U.S. Government's Defense Mapping Agency"

We can't point the finger at NASA for everything... SOURCE

The video below is the mapping metric photos as is the context image. These are beautifully clear and free of any anomalies. And this is the only video on my site that I do recommend viewing in full screen. Because the video is mostly hi-res photos.

NOTE The video is currently in .avi format for windows media player. It is 35 megabytes in size. We are working on converting it to other streaming media



[edit on 8-9-2007 by zorgon]

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