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John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

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posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 07:11 PM
I bet one of those pesky grey critters head butted Zorgon in the knee.

Get well soon Z.

posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 10:02 PM
John, did you ever aspire to be an astronaut?

posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 10:09 PM
Originally posted by pompano

John, did you ever aspire to be an astronaut?

No. I only had one year of college and I just wanted to fly airplanes.

posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 11:14 AM

Originally posted by johnlear
Zorgon is going into the hospital in a few hours (Saturday August 11)

Best wishes and a speedy recovery, Zorgon

posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 05:01 AM
after looking at all the giantic,wonderful moon photos I have to admit,
sorry, I just I cant see clear evidence of artificial looking objects.
I wish I could.
and I dont want to believe, but see.

..we need evidence.

[edit on 13-8-2007 by anti72]

posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 03:13 PM
Geez, man! Ain't life tough?

Hey John, go pick a thistle for me and give it to Z! We all still need each other as long as possible, and as long as we do, that is all we need.

And whether you operate a gold mine or not, you are still golden on my charts John. You've gold right here to mine!

posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 09:28 PM

Originally posted by johnlear
Zorgon is going into the hospital in a few hours (Saturday August 11) for treatment of a serious knee infection. I wish him quick recovery and will be right there for anything he needs.

Holy (#*#@&!!! (no expletive in mind really...)

Get well soon, Zorgon. You are missed. And stay off the horses.

Hurry back.

[edit on 13-8-2007 by bigfatfurrytexan]

posted on Aug, 13 2007 @ 09:40 PM
Hey zorgon, watch out for those Moonbies. I've heard that they masquerade as nurses in hospitals. They may be after you for trying to reveal their presence.

Sleep tight!!


posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 12:01 AM
Mr. John Lear

Mr. John Lear has remarkable qualifications and therefore it is remarkable that he would comment on such things whether he believes them or not. I had read a fair bit about him before I came to this thread on ATS. His ideas where creatable to me up until he was talking of souls and knowing where they came form and go too etc, so much so that I wonder if this is all a blind so to speak. I ask myself why would such a person as he risk, hey abandon his reputation in such a way. Perhaps so he can plead insanity in an up coming IRS case, is a down to earth thought. John I am not trying to be in anyway derogatory here I am just trying to figure it all out as is the case with just about everyone on this forum. As for sure I can’t imagine your bank manager falling over himself to lend you cash for a future venture if indeed he has read any of your ideas.

UFO’s & Aliens

I think by now to someone with an open mind they have to be just about a given. There has been too many sightings by credible people of the UFO phenomena, so taking that as a given why the cover-up. I got the religious bit and people going crazy etc, but sorry this really didn’t do it for me. John’s explanation of MJ12 has to be somewhere near the mark the deal and all that followed. That combined whit the possibility that Alternative 3 although being written as fiction could be along the lines of truth. As I consider that it would only be something as hideous as this that could keep such a secret for so long. After all if it where to get out and be believed us the little white mice wouldn’t pay our taxes any more would we.

Government cover up’s

If it where not for the fact that the governments and media largely controlled by the said governments did not lie to us all the time about just about anything none of this would ever get any credibility at all.

Photo’s of the moon

As I know it has been said way down the thread you are not going to find any credible photo’s of anything unnatural on the moon unless you buy the gear costing a great deal and taking them yourself. I have to say throughout the thread there has been an incredible amount of work done on them by every one concerned. However too little or no end as my old grandmother used at age of 90 years to see pictures in a stone fireplace I had built a long time ago. They where more credible, but good work all the same.

Where dose all this leave us????

We have UFO’s Racing around our sky’s that we can do nothing about or are we biding are time till we discover a weapon that can do something about them???

Is it indeed the case as in Alternative 3, that we the white mice are all just about to be left behind, not a pleasant thought???

Or is it all just a form of modern day religion like the Railians???

I am writing this in the hope that someone out there will partake of some real answers the problem being will I recognize it if I see it. The likelihood is not.

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 12:34 AM

Originally posted by MAC269
I am writing this in the hope that someone out there will partake of some real answers the problem being will I recognize it if I see it. The likelihood is not.

You're right MAC269! (I havta love that name, its my initials!) You just gotta be a good guesser, pick the winning numbers and run with 'em. Everybody else will back you up, just don't look back to see!

On your mark, get set...

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 12:44 AM

I look forward to your fifth post

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 02:38 AM
Mr. John Lear 2

What one has to remember is that John knows some of the real people maybe even most of the real people so if John don’t know then no one knows. He has said a lot but how much has that lot amounted too? I can’t help feeling he knows way more than I have seen him say but then again I may just not have found it yet, so John if you bother to read this please do point me in the right direction, I will be most grateful. One of the people is Mr. Bob Lazar this part of the whole story is really incredible his whole history wiped clean apart form a TAX document how could they have missed it would that not be the first place to start wiping the slate. Perhaps indeed the IRS is so powerful they just couldn’t mess with it. Is it a real fear by men like this that if too much gets out too quickly and is believed it indeed will bring about the end of at least our way of life as we know it as for sure I can see how it could???

UFO’s & Aliens 2

When I was at school a very long time ago I saw along with about twenty others something that I can’t figure out to this day. It was around 1966 and about 7:30pm, we where at evening class and on a break mostly smoking in the school yard and it was in the autumn of the year. In the very clear stare lit sky there where what appeared to be two stars of average brightness moving across the sky in parallel to one another. Two satellites perhaps well maybe but then the one on the left as I saw it stopped and the other moved around it, staying the same distance apart. They went off at a 70º angle to the original flight path. There was no noise what so ever it was very high, therefore it was very big and I mean gigantic. In 1966 what could it have been???

Government cover up’s 2

Some of there cover – ups are so bad, is this deliberate or are they just so incompetent as they appear in a lot of cases???

Photo’s of the moon 2

The photos that I liked best is of the disappearing rim of the forth creator. It very much looks airbrushed to me. But by who and why? The only thing we can look for in any photo supplied by the authorities is the lack of something that should be there like this. I keep seeing roads and cranes labeled plus bridges, this is because people are looking for shapes that are common here on earth you ant goner see them there. Get with it, these are Aliens hundreds thousands of even millions of years ahead of us so why would they need roads etc,.

Where dose all this leave us2 ????

It would be logical to assume that the little grey men are not here to wipe us out and steal our planet as if that is what they where about they would have done that 60 years ago. Modern day ufology started with dare I say it Roswell New Mexico, ok it’s said. That was in 1947 not far from the only nuclear base at the time. I think this is a big clue to there appearance at that time, what say you???

I am writing this in the hope that someone out there will partake of some real answers the problem being will I recognize it if I see it. The likelihood is not.

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 07:00 AM
First of, thnx John for posting these awesome pictures, this stuff has kept me entertained on a slow period at work.

This thread lead me to do some digging of my own, when a post in this thread took me to this site:

I saved a bunch of pictures which seemed to have strange things in them.
One photo taken by the Digital Lunar Orbiter really intrigued me.

Link to picture

In the picture i spotted some really odd features (highlighted in pic)

Now, i'm not a geologist, but these features just don't seem natural to me

Detail 1

It's beyond me how a meteor hitting the moon could create such patterns

Detail 2

Detail 3

this picture just has me baffled, i mean, you see a lot of craters surrounding the eliptical one, and the rest are all roundish, yet this one seems to lie on top of (previous) other craters and has a really weird curving ellipse form outline.

Can anyone provide me with a logical explanation as to how these things are formed on the moon, cause a meteor hit just can't create the patterns seen in these pictures, imho.

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 11:26 AM

Originally posted by XyZeR
It's beyond me how a meteor hitting the moon could create such patterns

Yer right thar hoss, them's developer fluid spots, most likely someone with developer fluid on their hands touched the negatives when they were a developin'!

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 12:04 PM
Hmm, the links in the first post do not work anymore. Are there new links? 200 Pages of posts, so I don't even know where to begin to look...

posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 01:41 PM
On the site I found this clementine image, and some more. (I cant recall this one has been posted allready in this thread, the thread is to big

The whole "story" about this image and other images can be found here:link to page

I was first thinking this image from clementine looked "exactly" like the image of the "excavator" (sorry when I misspelled it) allready been posted for some times on this thread.
Well, as you see they aren't the same when compared.
However these two images are, in my opinion, "similar shaped". For me this clementine image backs up the idea the excavator is real.

Maybe you have other opinions?


posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 02:15 AM

Originally posted by pippadee
I bet one of those pesky grey critters head butted Zorgon in the knee.

Get well soon Z.

Thank you all for the kind words, its nice to know one is amongst friends here, no matter which side of the fence we are on.

Knee is still swollen but I can walk on it now and the pain is gone.. About those greys... might be... didn't see what hit me

I have also been working on reorganizing the website and another project for john for the end of the month. Caught up the other threads and left this for the last....

I would recommend you all stop in at the Infrared Images of the Moon thread so I don't have to repost all that here Its about Aristarchus and there is a lot of data, with more to come tomorrow.

Also a few surprises in store... we have a few new members at Pegasus and we have a few presentations coming, the first will be "The Secrets of Tsiolkovski" Then we will discuss the Aquila that I have mentioned before but got no bites on
I finally tracked it down... and many times I have said if you want to find secret bases, follow the kitchen... well I found the caterers...

And then we will discuss some serious Moon base data

I guess you could call these the 'Aces up my Sleeve" but its time to play them.. before the evening news scoops me LOL

Again to all of you, thanks for the best wishes... much appreciated

Now then


Originally posted by ArMaP
I remembered one thing:

if we see a blue sky on Earth because of the scattering of the blue light by the air molecules,

Water molecules water vapor = blue

Not a lot of dust on the moon in the atmosphere other than the occasional dust clouds and no water vapor

what type of air molecules, dust or vapour could make a saffron sky?

Sodium... there is a very high concentration of sodium in the upper atmosphere

[edit on 15-8-2007 by zorgon]

posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 02:33 AM

Originally posted by darkbluesky
All this talk of lunar atmosphere and sky color has generated some more questions. What's the ballbark atmospheric pressure at the lunar surface?
Whats the gaseous composition of the "breathable" atmosphere? What are the maximum wind speeds? What's the average "air" temperature at the equator? At the poles? Humidity?

Sorry Pegasus does not have a weather station in place up there yet... but let me ask you this... When Smart 1 smacked into the moon it raised a plume of dust. The craft hiy straight on, so if there is no atmosphere, the dust should have fallen back in a concentric circle around the impact.. right?

Well each block below is several kilometers. You can see the round dot flash as it impacts... then watch the dust...

If there is no atmosphere... please explain to me why the dust disperses as it does? It goes into a long plume and then breaks up into little puffs that expand over several kilometers.

To me this one image shows that there IS air movement on the Moon...

I also am fond of this one... its part of a series. Moon is lit by Earth glow, sun is behind with a corona effect... Venus is there and SO ARE STARS

This is a Clementine image and low res. I will have the set and high res available shortly...

posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 02:37 AM

Originally posted by seeingevil
At the risk of seeming entirely ignorant, I'm curious what your current activities are... What are you involved in presently?

The Living Moon

Love your Avatar so I am sure YOU would appreciate this picture

posted on Aug, 15 2007 @ 02:49 AM

Originally posted by johnlear
When Zorgon gets back I think he has something to say about this.

What me? Atmosphere on the moon?

Hmmmm well I just dug up a really old file and scanned a few sections. It was for my Aristarchus page and I will be adding it all there, but one excerpt I found interesting... This is a JPL/NASA document from 1961 of a study done in Russia in 1956

Only one item is relevant to the Atmosphere so I will post the clip here. You can see the rest in the Infrared Moon images thread or on the website tomorrow and I need to track more of this lead but you can see why it's relevant...

[edit on 15-8-2007 by zorgon]

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