Originally posted by zorgon

Lets take a rest from that one object...

How about the floating spheres with shadows? Surely like the cranes you will be able to explain these as "natural rock formations"... They don't have much to do with the mine theory but there are many of them....


Next time we will do the Spires with shadows...

[edit on 28-9-2006 by zorgon]

Agreed. I have no explanation for those. I find them as odd as you do. There is also something strange about the white swath that does not seem to relate to its surroundings. Maybe that's the airbrushed area he is referring too? Too bad we don't have a print from when the negative(s) was pristine. I know when I scan negatives I continue to uncover more detail up to the 4,800 dpi limit of my equipment. The photo on John's wall may have much more detail than we are seeing in these posted pictures. John, would you elaborate on that? What resolution was the photo scanned at?

thanks for revisiting the floating spheres Zorgon

I have noticed a few more and you highlighted some of them in your post. You can clearly see shadow under some of these "spheres" which makes them imo more intriguing than the rock formations.

I'd say the shadow could be more possibly to the right .
People seethings that aren't there sometimes , on the other hand things are seen by people sometimes .
Very good thread , I'm going to ask my Grandad to look at this picture , as he done a lot of intel work in the 50's (aerial photography etc) and ask him his opinion .

I hate to disappoint you John, but that is not a car park

Cheers

JS

Originally posted by zorgon


Someone asked about atmosphere? I wonder where this haze is coming from?

If a man can jump high on the moon because of the gravity, would it not make sense that fine particles of dust that were gouged up from the rockets firing on entry might hover for long periods of time especially since there is no wind to push them back down immediately? There is lots of fine dust there isn't there?


Pie

I received John's "Lick Observatory" photos on a CD yesterday and will have them uploaded today for all to peruse. I'll also be sure I post the "data" for these shots with the links to the photos themselves.

Springer...

Zorgon.

1) That first 'sphere' is interesting because there appears to be a shadow some distance from it. Does that shadow line up with the other shadows in the picture? That is, is it projecting in the right direction?

2) Many of the other 'spheres' appear to my mind as craters, with the mind interpreting the concave shape as convex because of the shadow orientation. Can you post a picture of one of the spheres with a few other objects and their shadows in the same picture? That will let me determine whether the obejcts are convex or concave. Otherwise, there is insufficient info. If I can locate on of the objects in the larger picture I will do so myself, but I don't want to find a crater, and tell you it is not a sphere when it is not something you were claiming is a sphere in the first place

I'm very interested in tryting to locate the 'tower features' in photo 5 to then see what is present there. I'll work on that this weekend.

Sorry, don't mean to disturb your day job

[edit on 29-9-2006 by Ectoterrestrial]

Originally posted by jumpspace

I hate to disappoint you John, but that is not a car park

Yeah, I blew that one. I am leaning more towards a control tower.

John:

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by jumpspace

I hate to disappoint you John, but that is not a car park

Yeah, I blew that one. I am leaning more towards a control tower.

Stop leaning towards a control tower and lean back towards the car-park.

You are "sort of" right

Cheers

See, to me, it is just that zigzag feature, but viewed nearly head on instead of from above as in figure 5. But I donno, I don't have an eye for these things. Shadow information helps alot so some of the tower stuff might be more definitive. We will see, we will see. A parallel search by a hundred people is almost always the best way to go.

John, Ectoterrestrial:

Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
See, to me, it is just that zigzag feature, but viewed nearly head on instead of from above as in figure 5.

Yes, this is prob. correct in reality, sorry about that

I was coming from another angle.

But I donno, I don't have an eye for these things. Shadow information helps alot so some of the tower stuff might be more definitive. We will see, we will see. A parallel search by a hundred people is almost always the best way to go.

Yes, shadows do tell a lot...however make sure that the shadows you see are actually shadows and not air-brush "strokes" to cover light patches.

Cheers

JS

I am back and forth but mostly up at the mine so I don't get a lot of time to read or post but let me say this: Zorgon has done an incredible job of research and finding all the artifacts in the photo of Copernicus. He has correlated many of the images on 2 with 5. He has found many artifacts I never saw until he pointed them out. He must have found at least 10 images of smoke or vapor, maybe more. The post above of the crane which Zaniworp originally found is first class what I call "proof imaging' that is, proving the image in one photo by locating and identifying it in another photo. I was extremely lucky to have gotten an overhead image of the same identical area. When I originally asked Springer for help in posting these photos I had not the faintest idea that such an interest would develop. It was kind of like passing the baton in a relay race. This thread may go on for a long, long time but I wanted to thank Zorgon, Zaniworp and all of the others that have contributed to locating and identifying the equipment, structures, tunnels and other artifacts associated with this huge mining operation going on on the north face of the crater Copernicus.

That said, I sympathize with those of you who cannot see, or only see vague lines and shadows or only smoke and mirrors, (or basalt) because, through no fault of your own you are missing one of the most exciting discoveries of the decade.

If this sounds a little overboard so be it. I which you could share my exhilaration at some of the posts I have read on this thread.

I’m still really enjoying this thread.
I still don’t really see anything.
My opinion of what’s going on is illustrated perfectly by Zorgon’s “butler” photo…and I must give Zorgon a lot of love for feeding “the bad guys” such a tasty morsel.

So here’s a little quid pro quo…

I, Essedarius, do hereby (for a minute) concede that there is a massive strip mining operation occurring on the moon involving cranes and vapor and parking structures.

Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way, I’m faced with a whole new landscape of questions, based on the following assumptions:

1)
The mining operation is run by humans from earth. (If aliens are running things up there then these questions are obviously pointless.)

2)
The humans hail from a single country (that is to say, it is not a multinational effort…call me a skeptic, but China, Japan, Britain, the U.S. cooperating on something like this and keeping it absolutely secret? Nope.)

3)
The humans are mining Helium-3 as an energy alternative for use here on earth. (I know there are other valuable resources up there but, I think we can agree, none more so than He3.)


So here’s what I don’t get (and there may be perfectly good answers here...I just don’t have the knowledge to come up with them):


1)
Once the initial MASSIVE expenditure is made to establish mining operations (and I default to the word “massive” only because I can’t think of a single word that would do the monetary amount justice), almost 15,000 tons of regolith (lunar soil) has to be warmed up to about 1500 degrees (F) in order to produce 1 ton of He3. Does an operation like this really make economic sense?

2)
Obviously shuttles would need to be heading back and forth, picking up the He3 payload and bringing it back to earth. I think those of you living in California or Florida will agree: you can’t exactly “sneak” those things into our atmosphere…it’s a very recognizable event. One that doesn't go unnoticed.

3)
As you may have heard, the fossil fuel lobby is very strong here on earth. (No Bush jokes please…) An abundant source of He3 puts them, essentially, out of business. That’s a lot of power evaporating. As we know, power like that doesn’t really evaporate…it has to be ripped away with a bang. Many oil folk have access to the most secret of information. If they caught even a whiff of this, they would blow the lid off it in a second. Wouldn't they?


That’s what I have for the moment.
Feel free to tear up my assumptions and answer my questions.

I may be wrong…I really may…but logistically, it doesn't work for me.

Help me out.
Anybody.


[edit on 29-9-2006 by Essedarius]

[edit on 29-9-2006 by Essedarius]