John Lear's Moon Pictures on ATS

Originally posted by ArMaP
What method did you use to create the 3D version of the photos?

And how do you know that the fact that you see black areas "floating" above the rest of the picture after it was altered to a 3D version mean that those areas were added later on the negative?

It's my secret It involves alot of work to add the depth.

Because that black is PITCH black. You can see 'true' the holes the black paint didn't touch and get a sharp line over other objects that are in depth. So it floats above the picture

Thank you very much Cygnific for displaying the 3D version of the Moon photos. John, what I do is use my 3D glasses to see the 3D photo I am looking at and then use a good optical magnifying glass in front of the 3D glasses to see the particular photo better. To zero in on different anomolies in photos wearing the 3D glasses tilt or refract the magnifying glass to distort anomolies, I call this stretching the anomolie in any direction to see it's shape much better. Some think I am crazy for doing this, but I can see the anomolies better most of the time and much better before the 3D photo has been blown up and pixelated. Rik Riley

Originally posted by greatlakes
I do like the 3d resolutions you're doing, that work MAY be able to draw out some anomalous features.

Not may ... does... and very nicely too.

If one could gather data to make a topographical map of the region (copernicus), it could expose some anomalous topographical features, but for now the above Copernicus image objects reveal nothing except shades of gray pixels.

USGS has had topo maps in great detail of Copernicus and other areas since 1961 and the Clementine data also has topographical 3D maps.. Unfortunately the mining anomalies are to small to show on a topographical map at this time

If we could get the Department of Defense copies of Lunar Orbiter series that show details to be able to recognize a card table on the moon, then we would have something...

Too bad those images are not available

[edit on 30-5-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by undo
uh where are my copies of coper 3d? : /

you guys left me outta loop!

well zorgon offered to send them to me i think but if he did, they didn't make it through my email.. someone needs to upload them and send me linkage.

I sent you the two low res that I had weird The new ones from Cygnific did not get to me yet either...

Use www.yousendit.com... As soon as I get them we can put them on both mine and undo's server.

Originally posted by Cygnific

Originally posted by greatlakes
Also speaking about scale issues, just how big would the so-called WHEEL be in that image?

You mean if the measurements issued out by NASA are true? So what is wrong, the wheels or the sizes NASA gave?

I have seen many measurements for Copernicus anywhere from 60 feet across to 90 meters across. In any case these are giant excavators... Here is a small one on Earth believe its actually near Cygnific's home if I remember...

Originally posted by realyweely
Sorry to burst your bubble but I doubt there is anything you could show myself and a lot of other people here that will convince us. Simply because they dont speak up and say so doesnt mean they arent laughing.

LOL well that's okay, my bubble is made of titanium carbide... it's pretty tough material... so no worries...

And my U2U's and emails tell a different story from the silent watchers... so having to tolerate a few comments that add nothing to the discussion for or against is a non issue.

If in all the images posted since the beginning of the thread you can not see one thing out of place, you are certainly wasting you time here

Originally posted by Cygnific
Do you have more pictures of Copernicus?

There is this one....



for comparison you can overlay Johns cop 1-4 on this image It is also from LO 5




There is also this one... it is an Apollo 17 image but it confirms the graded roadway from another angle. If you have trouble with orientation I can point out the matching landmarks. I know my way around Copernicus pretty well now



Here is the full size version... These two would be great in 3D regardless






[edit on 30-5-2007 by zorgon]

Three weeks, 157 pages later( it was about 130 or so when I started and yes I read every one.), 2 panic attacks, hours and hours of following links and trying to understand what was being discussed in them, so many cross references, ananlysis', speculation (on my part), hours and hours of scanning photos and I'm finally here able to post a response.

1.OK I'm pretty sure that this was discussed a little but not in depth but the fact that one of the 3 people who hold the mineral rights to most of the moon is the director of one of the worlds leading camoflauge company's is incredible. Who better to be helping mask things on the moon.

2nd. That PDF file from the white house site just shows how secretive "NASA" is. How can anything that they publicly release be believed when they don't allow there findings to be put under peer review? Isn't that one of the guiding principles of science? I know they where discussing the mars photos and experiments but it is just as relevant here.

3rd. Boeing's sea launch platform. I think that this is certainly evidence on how deep this goes. And that GM is making the vehicles for the next Mars landing and have one in operational testing justs adds to it.

4th. If anyone can explain to me how Zorgon's "Ancient Derilict Excavator" could be a natural formation, please do. For me, this anomaly is really one of the best as is the original, Mr. Lear's "parking garage". But the "compound" is really top of the list. I will admit that I don't see every one that is posted but I can see most. I'm new at this, give me some time.

I have found a couple of anomalies that I haven't seen posted yet. They are from Copernicus 3. But I'll post them in a couple of days. I have to move tomorrow and it's getting late.


To John, Zorgon, Undo, Matays, SteveR, Borg and the folks from earlier and more recently in the thread, I say thank you. Thank you for posting finding and sharing these pictures.They have pretty much consumed my life for the last three weeks. I needed a new computer, and downloading all the finds has pretty much filled the old hard drive so I guess I'll stop putting it off.

GAOTU789, Congratulations you have gone where very few have taken the time to tread, completing, reading and researching John Lear's Moon Pictures thread on ATS. I am but a spectator and all the main participants you have mentioned have contributed greatly and are the backbone of this thread along with many more individuals. I am excited as you are to have the chance to wittness new discoveries brought forth by John Lear and his support team of the Earth's Moon. Rik Riley

[edit on 30-5-2007 by rikriley]

Originally posted by Cygnific
As promised, the small examples again from Copernicus in 3D. I enhanced it a bit to be clear in the smaller example to. And remember, dont believe every public word NASA writes.

Okay the larger 5.5 meg versions of these two images are now ready. And the larger bmp versions are being prepared and uploaded to my server now... they are much larger. But in the meantime enjoy the two below... I have added the link to the larger file below each image.

Thanks to Cygnific for this awesome and hard work! Not bad for a newcomer... not bad at all

Copernicus #1





Copernicus #2

And this one is for all you skeptics out there...

The Statue (Now calm down rik )
Wait till you see THIS one in 3d, with the crane behind it

Its along the bottom of the wall, about a quarter of the way from the right, on Copernicus 1






If this looks like a rock to you, you may have serious issues



[edit on 31-5-2007 by zorgon]

The above two files lack depth and was just a quick fix for zorgon, the biggest files coming soon and have depth in. So if you dont want to get dissapointed dont download them but wait a few.

Okay Here they are...

The work page for tracking discussion will be here...

The Cygnific Files

Copernicus 3D images Zip File .bmp format 64 megs

Main Site at Land of Legends
Alternate Site at The Living Moon


Tomorrow I will break them down into single image files to make it easier on those using dial up, but they will still be about 10 megs each separately

These images are fantastic! And add a whole new dimension to the research. Thanks for doing the work to prepare these for us Cygnific... I know you too have sacrificed sleep to bring these to us...

And whether you are a believer or a skeptic or a fence sitter these are well worth looking at




[edit on 31-5-2007 by zorgon]

Originally posted by GAOTU789
Three weeks, 157 pages later

Thank you for that impressive summary of some of the key points in the thread. those points alone would make a conspiracy in most topics.

Welcome and thank you for taking the time to read

And I do apologize for some of the randomness, but this was a voyage of discovery for all of us and as soon as we searched out one lead, we found many more... and that is still happening today.

I hope one day real soon to do at least a priliminary summary of our finds, what we are saying, and where this will lead... but I haven't even presented the best stuff yet

[edit on 31-5-2007 by zorgon]

Nice job on the webpage and hosting Zorgon, maybe we can put it on the firstpage to together with the originals.

Originally posted by Cygnific

Originally posted by realyweely

Sorry to burst your bubble but I doubt there is anything you could show myself and a lot of other people here that will convince us. Simply because they dont speak up and say so doesnt mean they arent laughing.

If you want to burst my bubble tell me why that is happening if it was an original unedited photo.
[edit on 30/5/2007 by Cygnific]

Thats the point, neither I, you, nor John lear knows what anything is but unlike yourself and Lear I dont go wildly speculating about what they 'Could' be. Whats the point?. If its for simple amusement, then fine but please say so, and stop staing that you 'Know' what they are as fact. You and Mr Lear are actually suggesting that these things are real, when you have no empirical evidence whatsoever.

Take a look at some Earth photos from space and start your speculation there, then you can have proof, as you can go there and check.

realyweely said: I dont go wildly speculating about what they 'Could' be. Whats the point?.

hehe i love it when they pull out the empirical evidence ploy!
prove to me, empirically, that schrodinger's cat is in the box!
i'm waiting.




hehe

source
www.cartoonstock.com...



perhaps the cat is just in there for fun. if such is the case, what's the point?
if it's for simple amusement, they should say so.





[edit on 31-5-2007 by undo]

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Sorry made wrong reply

[edit on 31/5/2007 by Cygnific]

Originally posted by Cygnific

Originally posted by johnlear

How much longer until the hi-res?

Cygnific, let me say again that this effort of yours to put the Copernicus photos in 3D is absolutely brilliant. I see at least twice as much as did before. Many thanks for your effort it is greatly appreciated!

You are very welcome John.

It's only possible because you gave the originals. I was very surprised also by the amount of detail you see this way. Zorgon has all Hi-res.

Do you have more pictures of Copernicus?

No more Copernicus Zorgon answered that. The other low res on the web is no good for 3D.