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Originally posted by Karilla
Thanks Cygnific. I really should have seen that.
You are crazy it's a Titan4B
Originally posted by pippadee
Thanks Zorgon. Interesting. But the Titan IV is 204' and 863 tons which is a lot smaller than a a Saturn V but what the heck they both still make lots of noise and smoke!!
What startled me is the logo of the AF TENCAP ( via your link ) It shows an Alien Greys head together with the masonic logo and triangular shape craft all forming a symbolic phoenix!!
Now I am paranoid.
Originally posted by zorgon
Yes that is true, but you are all missing the point... the Saturns were during the 70's Apollo era... And a Titan makes almost as much noise and smoke, yet someone living near Vandenburg didn't even mention the over 100 launches since 1965
The point is if there was an extra 2 or 3 Saturn launches in the 70's, few would have noticed. Now I suppose one could ask those boys how many they actually launched, but I can find that data
Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by Cygnific
You are crazy it's a Titan4B
Looks to me like it could easily hold 3 or 4 astronauts. Drop them off at one of the secret space stations and then take some other kind of shuttle to the moon.
If they launched vehicles from Antarctica, Wallops Island, Vandenberg and White Sands for the past 25 years while we are all looking at the Space Shuttle (where the magician wants us to look) there is no telling what they have up there.
Originally posted by clearmind
i was unaware of just how many launches there have been and the number of sites around the world.....plenty of room to ..oh..say put extra 'nauts on the moon or equipement or....whatever
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by darkbluesky
By the way, it's being kept from the public quite unsuccessfully as evidenced by the number of web sites, books, and discussion forums like ATS, where it's openly discussed daily.
Well one of the theories we have is that they are gearing to a major release of secret info in the near future and I have a lot of evidence to support this...
However ATS is one of the best sites for this kind of discussion, and all you have to do is look at [this threadto see the reactions to anything out of the ordinary... Imagine then what its like all over the web. I bet the government knows this... counts on it... and most likely feeds it to keep people guessing.
As long as people trying to bring stuff to public attention have to suffer ridicule and abuse, the government can do what it wants... anyone sees something they merely point to the conspiracy nuts..
One main factor in this is that people generally DO NOT read links to material in most of these discussions... I posted military documents from the DoD, AFRL and LANL regarding work on teleportation and stargates... the mere fact that these bodies are even TALKING about it should get peoples attention... yet only a few people even glanced at it and there were no comments at all in three threads until I "badgered " some to look at it.
What does this mean? There are literally THOUSANDS of documents available online about things like work on stargates, gravity shielding, warp drives etc. They are public, but not easy to find... so they are invisible to the majority of the public...
Unless you know what you are looking for, where to look for it, and recognize it for what it is, you won't find it...
Now we are talking secrets launches...
How about launching from a moving platform at sea? You can go anywhere with one of those...
Maybe something big enough that can launch Delta IV Heavy component rockets?
That would put a new twist into the picture wouldn't it?
And how about if that Launch Platform was an international venture, proving they are working on this together?
And what if the Launch vehicle was a Joint Boeing Energia venture? You know Energia... the RUSSIAN company who builds the RUSSIAN shuttle Buran?
Hmmm that would really put a twist into things...
This is a report of a work in progress. So far as the author is presently aware, this topic has not been previously addressed. Proprietary work by NASA or others may, however, exist that address similar topics.
This work placed a total 129 tons initial base for both the in-crater and crater rim installations, as well as a 90 tons “marshalling yard” at the Earth-Moon L-1 libration point. For launch services, the results of an in-house Shuttle-Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle study were used. It is called Aquila. This vehicle can deliver over 50 tons to low Earth orbit from the Kennedy Space Center, using a combination of Space Shuttle and Delta IV-Heavy components.
A second stage of the Delta IV-Heavy vehicle was used to deliver 15 tons payloads from Earth orbit to docking at L-1. By so doing, no “new start” systems are needed beyond those of the L-1 station and the LRB itself, provided the Aquila and Crew Exploration Vehicle have been previously developed. At L-1, three of these once-used stages are fitted with landing gear and other elements needed to produce a highly capable Lunar Vehicle and it is refueled from propellants delivered from Earth to place the base and to provide a single visit of a six person crew[/b[ to aid the robotic operations necessary to produce a fully functional base.
A Mars mission departing from L-1 with mass of 686 tons can be placed on the trans-Mars trajectory expending lunar-origin propellants and just one of the Lunar Vehicles, requiring an additional 13 Aquila launches. This will permit dual Mars spacecraft to be used for each mission with a 28% mass margin over a single, similar mass vehicle departing from low Earth orbit.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
They aren't something like crater chains? How large is that area, so i have a relative idea.