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posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 02:33 PM
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John, would fission be better than fussion for maximizing a nuclear reactor or visa versa? What do you think the primary use is for the reactor on the Moon? The obvious would be for electricity, but I would assume the Moonbies and grays could beam electricity from tower to tower like Tesla was working on completing or they may use black boxes. Could the reactor be used to create fuel for an energy source for Identified Flying Objects based on the Moon? Rik Riley

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posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 03:35 PM
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Zorgon and I had, at one point, theorized that it might be a "filling" station, like a gas station, and when the blue glow is present with that "gem" like construct on top, it's activated and when it doesn't glow blue, its powered down. we also theorized that it may be a wormhole, a star gate of immense size, as I have seen holographic type, translucent images shimmering in the crater, as if looking through a round door way to some other place with huge temples, buildings and immense statues.

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posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 07:40 PM
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Thanks Undo, I will have to view the area and give you my take on what I see. The complexity of the Moon is beyond my exspectations. We viewers of the Solar System are still surprised on what we find and can only speculate what we see most of the time. New individuals coming to this thread have to be some what overwhelmed by the findings by you, John, Zorgon and many others that contribute to finding the visual truth about the Earth's Moon. Rik Riley



posted on Mar, 10 2007 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by undo
I've seen other anomalies in the same area. Somewhere in this thread, is a huge picture of it when the blue shimmer is not operating or apparent. At least 20 anomalies (at the very least) are on the floor and along the walls of Aristarchus.


I have determined that we are looking at a multi-dimensional Moon and this photo you present is no different. Absolutley incredible geometric statues and structures the type you would expect an advanced race to display. Others that can not see these holograms back away from your monitor you can at least see one dimensional anamolies. Rik Riley

[edit on 10-3-2007 by rikriley]



posted on Mar, 11 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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Hey all.

Well...I've FINALLY gotten through every single 113 pages!
... but definately worth my social life, anyway.


Just like to say it's an honor to be able to be here, and witness the uncovering of all this incredible stuff. Of course a HUGE thanks to John, Zorgon, Undo & co.

Regarding the latest images (the data head area), perhaps a couple submitions. Excuse my lack of computer graphic skills... hopefully you's can make them out. The objects in questions are positioned in the centre of both pictures.



Not sure what this may be, but certainly interesting shape. You can see it clearly in the shadow, not sure if you'll be able to make the actual object out in the provided pic though.



This one almost looked like the shape of disemboweled body of some sort. To give you an idea, the "head" is on the right side of the object.

Certainly not the "smoking gun" we're on endless pursuit for... but as far as I'm concerned, we've already got many in this thread... thanks to Zorgon.


Navieko.



posted on Mar, 12 2007 @ 03:00 PM
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Here are a few new additions too my yahoo moon images.
In the first one there appears to be a wall or ??? just below the crater. It seems to be an outtie rather than an innie judging by other crevaces in the pic. The second link image shows an irregular tristar type shape structure or ??? in a crater. And lastly I think I see a triangle or pyramid with three almost exactly spaced craters fixed on it near the center of the last pic. All photos are untouched other than conversion from Nasa's Tiffs to Jpegs for yahoo photos posting purposes. When you play around with sharpening and contrasts on the images below they show much more detail. Enjoy.
new.photos.yahoo.com...
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posted on Mar, 13 2007 @ 11:55 AM
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Well that was quite the read. I had to do you all justice and read everything ... 113 pages


It is good to have these pictures for extra evidence of what has been going on for decades, not only on the moon, but elsewhere in our solar system (as some have had the courage to mention... ) RikRiley is one of the best observers on this thread. Although the holographic technique eludes my comprehension, it is very interesting to read the descriptions.

Thank you to John Lear, zorgon, undo, rikriley, Matyas, anathema777, and the others who have so kindly contributed to finding objects on the moon and inputting their own perspective on these matters. As for those who were or still are antagonistic, rude, immature, insulting, cynical or think you have all the answers ...
thank you all the same for showing us your way of doing things. Being critical is good, but for some here, there are far better ways of conveying your message to others.

Most of the objects I can see clearly, but some where the pixels are too enlarged do not allow a clear representation of whatever is there. Overall, an abundant amount of information in these great pictures provided by Mr. Lear and others. The big wheel bucket excavator, the cranes, amazing stuff to see! You may see something else, or nothing at all...

Whether you see or not, does not confirm or deny the presence of a mining operation since the 60s. Only you can determine something to be true. No one else can tell you what is the truth. We all have the innate ability to "know" what is truth and what is not. People will tell you something is this way, and others will tell you it is that way, only you can decide for yourself. The only problem is we are not all tapped into this ability. This can most closely be referred to as instinct if you wish to label it, one of the most powerful abilities human beings have, or rather, human consciousness has.

Everything you learn is subjective, relative and interpretive to you. Everything. Example of rikriley's (I'm not picking on you
) Moonbies ... refer to ... human, alien? Both? Want a more concrete example? Pick anything... everything you know, someone or thing (such as a book, tv, radio..etc) told you something, and you either take it in as truth or reject as lies. Like above I mention some people have been rude or antagonistic, but maybe for them, they are not being that way, because their interpretation of the meaning of the word is different from mine.

I am glad to have seen people bring up Ingo Swann, and William Cooper... there is a vast amount of knowledge contained in both these mens literature and lectures. I only hope that you will indulge in the opportunity to learn more about the world and the reality we live in.

Nothing is as it appears. If the government says it, then it's the truth? Was it less true that the Earth was round before someone "proved" it, or that atoms "exist"? The truth was still absolute, but people were ignorant of it. When is the line drawn in the sand for something to become truth from fantasy?

Preserve your liberty through eternal vigilance. Always question your government.


Personally, here's my view. Aliens (many dif kinds) have been on Earth for ages, and so have humans. Aliens have been on the moon. Then it was our turn (maybe agreement made to share the resources). Aliens have been living underground, and so do humans. Thousands of underground bases all over the world, some aliens, some human, some both in a joint venture. They (the bastardly humans that are betraying the rest of us) have technology thousands of years ahead of our current modern tech. Humanity is like an infant, heading into childhood, but we're trying to go from crawling to sprinting. We are going to fall down, and its gonna be bad... that technology in the wrong hands, immature, irresponsible, unethical hands, can only be bad. Deals have been made with some bad entities.



posted on Mar, 13 2007 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Zarniwoop

Z... I would like to request a page dedicated to peekaboos on your landoflegends site.
I too am growing fond of the name


Had one already
Though I suppose I should add "Peekaboo" on th menu page

PEEKABOO PAGE



I was watching a show on UFO's this weekend and they did a segment on the "Lubbock Lights" which were seen over Lubbock, Texas in 1951. I had heard about them before, but realized that some of the pictures looked similar to the "peekaboo" shots taken above Apollo 12. The first shot is of the Lubbock Lights that looks like a frame grab from a video. The second shot is from Zorgon's peekaboo collection.






Anyone else see some similarities here? The timeline is a little off, maybe the craft in the Lubbock Lights photo was a prototype for our peekaboos, or an earlier model.


Perhaps just another coincidence.

I found the pics and info on the Lubbock Lights here:

LUBBOCK LIGHTS
www.ufocasebook.com...

There are additonal pictures there credited to "Project Blue Book file photo". But file was too large to post

DIRECT LINK
www.ufocasebook.com...



posted on Mar, 13 2007 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by VType
wow, the last couple posts full of pictures of rocks has been obvious crap. those are rocks, darlings....



on 8-3-2007 by jetflock]
I also see less in these latest images and really have to imagine more than Id like too.



Here's the thing...

The Case for Rocks:

Many say "They are just rocks..."

1) If they were anything other than rocks why would NASA leave these in a whole set of images when we know that they "sanitize" images?
2) Some of the anomalies on close inspection do indeed look like they are rocks, albeit ones with very unique shapes.

Examples



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The Case for Artifacts:

1) Richard Hoagland of Enterprise Mission has identified them as metallic artifacts. That alone will convince many people...
2) There are many pieces of this puzzle that do not fit the rock hypothesis. There are shapes and textures that are not consistent with rock formations. while it is possible that rocks may form in other crystallization patterns on the Moon, that seems highly unlikely. While Basalt can form huge hexagonal columns, it would not do so on a stone by stone basis.. certainly you would never find just one rock that shape..
3) some artifacts show clear signs of NOT being rocks...

Examples




In the center you can see a curved "pipe" with branches in a "v" in the center; two square "u" shaped objects, and the blue "cross"




This one has a wavy edge and curls around on the right, with little dots in each scallop of the wavy edge. It looks like a piece of bent corregated metal more than a rock..



This one has two areas with thin straight bars that are inter connected and crossing. I have never seen a rock do that and I have seen a lot of rocks


Conclusion:

Until we find further evidence either way, this case is open and requires further analysis. Because of this, the images on THIS PAGE are a collection of all the anomalies we found so far. They are presented for study and no comments other than the labels will be added here.

We will leave it up to the reader to examine them for themselves and make up their own minds. We are also currently seeking the high resolution .tiff images to assist us in making a determination.


Thanks Zorgon for thinking of me. Photo 20993 the hole or I should say protrusion on the round disk is a perfect pentagon and photo 21005 you named Horned Dragon is the coming out party for the Moonbies, Humanoid entities on the Moon, with your permission I would like to circle or outline my find. We as a group should never rule out that the Moonbies can shapeshift. Rik Riley


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posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 12:12 AM
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No offense Rik, but I think you're taking the "Moonbies" just a little too far.

Theres definately a good chance that there are humans or even aliens on the Moon... as indicated by the mining equipment/buildings/objects etc, that we uncovered. But the things you claim to see are on an entirely new level of unlikeliness (not that they exist, but that you can actually see them). The scale of the things we're seeing make sense... the scales of Humanoids/Moonbies/faces etc, that you see are either WAY too big or way too small. I've checked out almost all your findings and some do resemble what you claim they are... but only because I went in expecting what to see.

Unfortunately in your case, I think what some of the skeptics were saying about us earlier may be true. You probably have had the belief prior to viewing these pictures, that these beings (Moonbies etc) existed on the Moon. Therefore when looking at these pictures, your consious automatically processes images out of the various features in an attempt to justify what your consious had already pictured.

Sort of like "Analytic Overlay", if you're aware of the process in Remote Viewing. The trick is to let your subconscious spot/notice the "anomolies" rather than using your conscious mind to manifest it.

Once again not trying to put you down or anything... this is an unavoidable problem everyone has at some point. A constant battle between the conscious and the subconscious. I just think if we're to be succesful in convincing all these findings to people, we need to be as accurate in each finding as possible. Otherwise when people come to check the pictures out, they will be very quick to dismiss everything just because of a couple pictures... out of literally hundreds.


All the best,

Navieko



[edit on 14-3-2007 by Navieko]



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by IronDogg

Speaking of Aristcharus, and to get a bit on topic again. I was wondering if there is a pic of the area around the crater, that someone could outline all the roadways in the area and...


I think that Aristarchus is some kind of nuclear generator, possibly a fussion reactor. The color blue that you see is the same color as when radiation reacts or comes in contact with molecules of air.

It has real nice arches and its well lit. It could be the Nissan Dealer for the moon.






This is a compilation site of a NASA technical report that chronicles Temporary Lunar Events (TLP's) on the moon dating back to 1540.

www.mufor.org...


The number of observations of Aristarchus TLP’s compared to those of other lunar features is quite high starting in the 1940’s and extending to 1967 at the end of the report.

Reports of pulsing star-like lights, red glows, bright bands/streaks across the floor, blue haze, etc.


This leads me to believe one or more of the following possibilities:

1. There have been a lot of observers keenly focused in on Aristarchus over the years

2. These are ordinary optical events caused by varying light conditions and a crater with unique characteristics.

3. There were some engineering projects taking place in the Aristarchus region between the '40's and the 60's"


4. Who knows


Interesting historical observations, to say the least.



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Zarniwoop

You're missing a couple of the Peekaboo coupe models on that page. I'll send 'em to you for your consideration



Do that I have some of yours from Valley of Secrets not added yet. So many images still pending


Gonna need a staff soon...



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by ArMaP
This is the best I could make, its a composit made with part of AS17-137-21005 and the LRV from AS17-137-21009. Those photos were taken from the same point of view and the distance to both targets (the "head" and LRV) looks more or less the same.


Cool! If that is accurate, than the head is a little smaller than a human head... I am going to take that head and clip it onto the astronauts shoulders That would give you good size comparison


Though I admit I might lean towards The Borg on this one, that just maybe it is a weird shaped rock.
I base that on the fact that I strongly doubt NASA would show us something that obvious in so many frames...

But its a tough call, as there are many objects in those frames that defy the rock description like the ring...




and this one in particular



So I will file this for more study...

Besides, can't let Hoagland steal our thunder


[edit on 14-3-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by IronDogg
Too bad, Ron couldn't make it, I was looking forward to some of his input. Hopefully you do a "rain check" show to have him on and talk about some of the same stuff... I would like to hear more about Aristarchus, for example.


Yep a rain check will work LOL Sorry bout that but my work is such that I get a lot of last minute call outs


As to Aristarchus... I still have a lot of research to do on that one. There is a wealth of info since the fifties to sort through... especially curious is the fact that it changes in brightness from time to time and quite drastically too...



Speaking of Aristcharus, and to get a bit on topic again. I was wondering if there is a pic of the area around the crater, that someone could outline all the roadways in the area and as they lead into the "lighted tunnels"? I can see the roadways and potential tunnels myself, I would just like another picture that thinly outlines the roads. I am "graphically illiterate", so I can't do that sort of stuff myself...


Not to many close ups of that spot around. We were luck to get that one from Mike with his 10 inch telescope, and in color no less...

There is something else very unusual in the area around Aristarchus that I want to present... seeing as no one has brought it up yet... So the next few days I will have a bit of free time and get that stuff together

In the meantime here is one where someone turned the lights on...

And they were on for more than 30 seconds allowing independent observation...



Note the bright flare near the middle of the terminator, between Pallas and Schröter. Image photographed: 11/15/1953 0200 U.T. by Leon H. Stuart – Tulsa, OK USA

Photo courtesy the estate of Leon H. Stuart.



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by aZiXx
Well that was quite the read. I had to do you all justice and read everything ... 113 pages


Wow two people on the same day! My thanks for taking the time to read everything. Its refreshing to know that all of those here who have worked to present these "anomalies" have not done so in vain. Thanks Navieko and aZiXx

It has been said many times that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence... I tend to say "All it takes is ONE" By that I mean if we can show you just ONE rectangular structure on the Moon, just one item that is out of place, then that should be enough to know "something is afoot"

I believe we have shown MANY such out of place things and there are more to come...

True it is up to the individual to believe or not, but there are many that just defy explanation as "rocks" when ALL the evidence is examined.

Thanks and welcome to our lunacy...

I came across a little tidbit today in a roundabout search and found it very intriguing and pertinent to or theory...

Wernher von Braun was in Antarctica in 1967. We have been studying the "Antarctic Connection" for some time and this was the first time I ran into this...




Now in itself it seems innocent enough a little jaunt to the poll so they could run around the globe in their skivvies and break land speed records circumnavigating the world...

(hey I don't make this stuff up you kow
)




Okay a little comic relief even Rocket Scientists need a break...

But when I looked into it further I came across THIS...



U.S. Admits "Salvage Operation" Underway in Antarctica

CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (AMP) — The United States for the first time admitted it is engaged in a "salvage operation" in Antarctica and says that a recently discovered "anomaly" two miles beneath the ice is a NASA Mars module lost during an ill-fated training mission 31 years ago....

Observers in the international community were suspicious of the announcement, calling the "recovery effort " a cover story for something more sinister. "Why all the secrecy?" asked one French diplomat at the United Nations. "When the Liberty Bell 7 space capsule was discovered on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, much hoopla was made. Now it sits in the Kansas Cosmosphere. Where is the publicity for this discovery?"....


Some intelligence analysts speculate that the lost Mars module was powered by a compact nuclear reactor plant. That would be in direct violation of the international Antarctic Treaty. "The irony," said one space observer, "is that in attempting to cover its past infringements, the U.S. does even greater violation to the treaty."....

To this day NASA has refused to release details on the module, Red Genie, or the names of its four occupants. But some old-timers from the Apollo space program recall Red Genie disappeared halfway through a 40-day training mission meant to simulate conditions on Mars after the ice beneath it mysteriously collapsed, revealing an ancient, scythe-like gorge almost one mile long and two miles deep. ...

When asked why a military rather than a civilian salvage crew was used, Flood said that NASA reserved the right to inspect the capsule for signs of what went wrong in 1969. Two cameras and a tape recorder were on board that could shed light on what happened in one of the more intriguing mysteries of American space flight....

The Mars shuttle, as originally formulated by rocket pioneer Wernher von Braun in 1953 and later revised by NASA planners in the late 1960s...

SOURCE


Mars Shuttle you ask? The Red Genie? Testing in Antarctica in 1969? Here is a 1950 image of Wernher von Braun in front of a Model of it. Now NASA is recovering it from the ice in Antarctica and four unnamed men died in it?

And you skeptics still think there is nothing going on?

I am just getting warmed up...


Bed time


ZZzzz zzzzzzzzz




[edit on 14-3-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Mars Shuttle you ask? The Red Genie? Testing in Antarctica in 1969? Here is a 1950 image of Wernher von Braun in front of a Model of it. Now NASA is recovering it from the ice in Antarctica and four unnamed men died in it?

And you skeptics still think there is nothing going on?

I am just getting warmed up...


Bed time


ZZzzz zzzzzzzzz




[edit on 14-3-2007 by zorgon]


What picture?? Did you just do that to put us in suspense? If so, I'm gonna scream, hehe.

In response to your previous post, I've got to ask a question. I know you said that that "light" was on long enough for independent confirmation, but do we know if anyone else got any images of it? If so, this little bit of evidence could be significant to our cause. It might even change the tide into our favor, what with all of the evidence thusfar in tow.

*Looking forward to new developments.*

For the Truth,
TheBorg



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Wow two people on the same day! My thanks for taking the time to read everything. Its refreshing to know that all of those here who have worked to present these "anomalies" have not done so in vain. Thanks Navieko and aZiXx


No no no buddy... THANK YOU! The work you have done is amazing. Anyone who doesnt read it all... it's exactly like only reading certain chapters in a book, and then criticizing the author for some point he made, when he could have discussed it more somewhere you didnt read and answered your question. Would that be a smart move? No... but many here still do the exact same thing. I saw many times where things were brought up over and over. And it's sad that most people will not read the whole thing....



Originally posted by zorgon
Thanks and welcome to our lunacy...


My kind of place...




Originally posted by zorgon
I came across a little tidbit today in a roundabout search and found it very intriguing and pertinent to or theory...

Wernher von Braun was in Antarctica in 1967. We have been studying the "Antarctic Connection" for some time and this was the first time I ran into this...






Hehehe, that guy... you know... we are sort of in the 4th Reich? The Nazi's didnt totally lose the war... they just kinda transfered there power somewhere else. There are many Nazi's or neo-Nazi's that have Jewish names, and no one would suspect them of being demonic evil bastards! Nazi's were at the top of the game in all tech, developing anti-grav tech, lots of stuff. But thats not true... so we can all ignore the possibility

Also I know it was mentioned previously, the LINK between Braun and Disney.... it goes a lot deeper than a hoaxed moon landing video.

But I dont have "proof" of anything, no one does...

I recommend trying to find info on Project Omega (lots of stuff in space... ). They oversee all intelligence agencies, they are the master "CIA" if you want to think of it that way. And... guess what... it comes from the Nazi's under the name Omega Project...
Just like Mengolas research was used to develop our neurological, spinal and cardiac surgery techniques... so much of the Nazi projects were simply.. TRANSFERED from Germany, to the USA.

Remember, I could be a big disinformant liar making things up. Thats why you all have investigative abilities and your instincts


Take care everyone, we are living in the greatest time of the world right now!



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by TheBorg

What picture?? Did you just do that to put us in suspense? If so, I'm gonna scream, hehe. /quote]
Ummmm the MIB's deleted it?
Or I was too tired and missed pasting it? Nope gonna stick with the first one...


But now I have two pictures of that model
Now I need to hunt down another source of that Antarctica recover story...









In response to your previous post, I've got to ask a question. I know you said that that "light" was on long enough for independent confirmation, but do we know if anyone else got any images of it? If so, this little bit of evidence could be significant to our cause. It might even change the tide into our favor, what with all of the evidence thus far in tow.


I will get more details on that... As I recall the independant observations were at least well documented by astronomers, and this TLP is actually on NASA's database...

TLP are on my list of "to do" Only problem is there is so much data to go through, especially NASA's own catalog. Aristarchus accounts for more than half the TLP's so I am working that angle...

I found an old document 1952 that records purple bluish glow that changes intensity to a peak of 19.0 time normal background in the K range and then drops back to a mere 4.2 times over a two month period...


It was this report that put Aristarchus on the "must observe" list on Apollo 11, the partial mission logs of what they saw being on my site..

For newbies [that anything like moonbies?:wow


MISSION LOGS



posted on Mar, 14 2007 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Navieko
No offense Rik, but I think you're taking the "Moonbies" just a little too far.

Theres definately a good chance that there are humans or even aliens on the Moon... as indicated by the mining equipment/buildings/objects etc, that we uncovered. But the things you claim to see are on an entirely new level of unlikeliness (not that they exist, but that you can actually see them). The scale of the things we're seeing make sense... the scales of Humanoids/Moonbies/faces etc, that you see are either WAY too big or way too small. I've checked out almost all your findings and some do resemble what you claim they are... but only because I went in expecting what to see.

Unfortunately in your case, I think what some of the skeptics were saying about us earlier may be true. You probably have had the belief prior to viewing these pictures, that these beings (Moonbies etc) existed on the Moon. Therefore when looking at these pictures, your consious automatically processes images out of the various features in an attempt to justify what your consious had already pictured.

Sort of like "Analytic Overlay", if you're aware of the process in Remote Viewing. The trick is to let your subconscious spot/notice the "anomolies" rather than using your conscious mind to manifest it.

Once again not trying to put you down or anything... this is an unavoidable problem everyone has at some point. A constant battle between the conscious and the subconscious. I just think if we're to be succesful in convincing all these findings to people, we need to be as accurate in each finding as possible. Otherwise when people come to check the pictures out, they will be very quick to dismiss everything just because of a couple pictures... out of literally hundreds.


All the best,

Navieko



[edit on 14-3-2007 by Navieko]


No offense Novieko, I think I have not gone to far with the Moonbies because it is only the beginning of discovery for me. I do agree that humanoids and aliens do exist on the Earth's Moon. I am sorry you can not see what I see.

You use the term we discovered equipment, buildings, objects etc. I thought you were new to this thread. I give the discoveries to John Lear, Zorgon, Undo and the rest of the support team on this thread.

No offense Novieko, You think the Moonbies and faces I discribe and see are way to big or to small. I have a question of you did you set the standard on size in this Universe as well as the Moon?

Wrong, Had not a clue that humanoids existed on the Moon until I read this thread about John Lear's Moon pictures also last place I would of thought, but I did know of the grays being on the Earth's Moon. Myself from scanning the solar system knew that humanoids and alien beings exist or existed on most of the planets including the Moons Titon and Triton.

You say you saw some of these things I have pointed out on the Moon because you were expecting to see these things. Great, glad you saw them, but yes I have consciously seen the Moonbies and anomolies. I have given it great conscious thought and thousands of hours scanning our Solar System on what I see especially Mars. When I started scanning the Solar System I had no idea what I would find and I am surprised everyday.

Yes I am very aware of remote viewing which many times is inaccurate and works with strict proticall. I prefer to view the surface of Luna conscious and not unconscious I am sorry and not subconsciously. If I said Navieko look over there there is a deer we would both recognize it as a deer because our biological brains have stored the memory of what a deer should look like. Same for me with Moonbies I see them as humanoid but slightly different than I expected.

Yes I do agree we must be careful to varify our visual findings in this thread with all due respect to John Lear and new viewers to his thread. One thing great about ATS threads we can all agree to disagree. Rik Riley



posted on Mar, 15 2007 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by aZiXx so much of the Nazi projects were simply.. TRANSFERED from Germany, to the USA.


Hmmm you might be on to something there...
The Nazi Scientists of America

The front page of The New York Times on November 17, 1945, bore a curiously vague headline: “88 German Scientists Reach Here, Reputedly With Top War Secrets.”




After the war, 118 German rocket scientists worked together at Fort Bliss, Texas.(U.S. ARMY AVIATION AND MISSILE COMMAND)

The thing that really got me thinking was the following line... this was the decision in my opinion that led our government down the path of secrecy...


Intelligence and government officials faced a delicate moral quandary in 1945 - whether it was worth it to give American homes to men who had invented weapons to kill American soldiers, men who in some cases subscribed to beliefs that hundreds of thousands Americans had died to eradicate. In the end they decided it was, if these men could help the United States defeat the Soviets.




Remember, I could be a big disinformant liar making things up.


that'ss okay disinfo agents are welcome here too. Its amazing what doors they leave open...


:shk:


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