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posted on Feb, 24 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by looofo

It's not that I want to contradict what you say zorgon, but rocks bigger than a house crushed several houses next to where my family lives in italy during a earthquake. Those rocks did some hundreds of meters of rolling and bouncing before stopping.


Yikes!
Glad they are alright... Yes I grant that huge rocks can be dislodged by quakes and landslides or even melting ice.. I saw one come down a mountain and flatten a car in Salt Lake City on the way to Snowbird... fortunately the occupants saw nor felt anything...

But I am quite positive that those rocks did not leave a symmetrical pattern behind. I should have been more specific

Well one last comment on this "rock"... I would like to see other images of the area (I looked haven't found any useful ones] I would like to know if they are still there
Might have to wait a while though. Now the Clementine SHOULD have been better resolution than the LO series, yet we don't seem to have access to that top resolution... so I guess we file this one for future study



A rock with a mass of 1kg here on earht has a mass of 1kg on the moon even though it would weight only 1/6 as much. Maybe someone can explain what this could mean for our problem.


OOOOOOO a lead in to bust the gravity myth LOL


[edit on 24-2-2007 by zorgon]




posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
Are there any top-down images of this crater in your archives? And if so, can you post one please?
TheBorg


I will have to identify that Crater first... might take a while. I had the lat and long for Vitello, no so on this on but I will work on it...


[ walks away grumbling.... more... they always want more......]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by ZoooMer
Amazing photographs. Can someone give us a simple breakdown of the coordinates ? Like, are these from the back side of the moon ?



Ummmm you mean like Copernicus crater? Don't think John posted Lat. and Long.


Picture One...top left near the cross hairs

Sphere One with shadow



Another one down and to the right... looks like this picture has lots of these "critters"



And these just have to be bunker doors one open and one closed and maybe a couple more in line with the first two into the shadows?




This page has some tracks:
www.landoflegends.us...

Looks like hot linking was stopped by the web master.

Thats a lot of traveling rocks. And not a wheeled vehicle if there ever
was one on the moon.


Back to my magnetic wind propulsion theory as it were, the possible
diagonal bearing of the magnetic and electric due to pulsing should
exist but feel the main forward motion is a Bessel flat vibration mode,
especially if the UFO type saucer has a flat circular shape.

However since the ol' UFO saucer is not a sphere and the shadow is
from a sphere, then it is a rock.

Its easier to say UFO when there is a blob or lights in the sky.



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Ummmm you mean like Copernicus crater? Don't think John posted Lat. and Long.


lat and long of Copernicus is easy to find just google Copernicus Crater
but I am sure it is somewhere on that info page...

OH and BTW its posted on POST #1 of this thread when Springer posted the pictures and the relevant data..

Now I don't mind doing the research for you armchair seekers
and I know no one really reads all the posts in a 100 plus page thread, but surely you could at least read THE FIRST PAGE?!?!?!


[not directed at you Tesla]

Vitello Crater I had coordinates thats how I found it on Clementine... the image with the compound I recently posted that Borg asked for a different view I do not --- yet. Most likely NASA has that data... most likely its on the page I linked to for the original picture... I just haven't had time to look it up yet.

And as to a different view, don't forget we only have a couple image sets that are of any use at all in finding these... I would love to find a top view to confirm it. What is the likelyhood of NASA missing two images of the same anomaly?




Looks like hot linking was stopped by the web master.


No actually the webmaster did not stop hot linking... I mean who here would steal bandwidth like that huh?


The early days of the thread... the website was small and just undergoing changes... so the webmaster has been reorganizing files so the site flows smoother. That means some of the older posts will have missing images. Also had to change it so it works the same on both servers, which was completed about an hour before John went on Coast to Coast...

Now I suppose I need to make sure I repost the front door every so often so everyone can find it...

Okay so here it is: Both sites are the same, both sites have terabytes of space and unlimited traffic... well Land of Legends does anyway I think the other is a terabyte or two..

LAND OF LEGENDS THE LIVING MOON

THE LIVING MOON

For the Copernicus Crater anomaly collection with grid map..

COPERNICUS ANOMALIES BY GRID MAP

Now if you use the front door, you will find all kinds of information on the menu page of the living moon. But we have collected so much stuff you might actually have to read the menu to find stuff

:shk:



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 12:08 PM
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On this you can see two boulders with a long track. Nothing special in it, but only the proof it can happen.


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Has this "glitch" been discussed before?


[edit on 25-2-2007 by looofo]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 01:04 PM
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Okay I Found what I was looking for...

Took some time as Vitello Crater is very small on a very HUGE map [308 megabyte for the 300 dpi version to be exact]

The clip below is like maybe 1% area of the 150 dpi version... but its more than big enough to show the 1400 foot elevation of the central peaks of the Crater with ridge lines marked. Yes the "Boulder" was rolling UPHILL


For those of you who can read a topography map, you will see this, the rest well take my word for it


Its a coincidence that the black line points pretty close to where the boulder is...

So as they say... I rest my case...



But wait you say where did I get this? Well its from a map I ordered in a collection on CD. But an important fact is this....




Now then we are NOT going to discuss how they managed to get such high resolution topographical data two years before Apollo when we can't even get a decent photo of the moon...

Nope nope nope... well not YET anyway

Just like we won't ask who took the picture of Armstrong stepping onto the Moon


[edit on 25-2-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 04:01 PM
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It's probably a problem with my capacity of interpretation of the images, but I cannot fit that map to the photo, it looks different in some places.



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 04:23 PM
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Not only that, but zorgon fails to mention the measurement above the 1400 ft measurement that says it's apparently 4600 ft.
Not convincing me.
Rock rolls downhill.



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Toadmund
Not only that, but zorgon fails to mention the measurement above the 1400 ft measurement that says it's apparently 4600 ft.
Not convincing me.
Rock rolls downhill.


Oh good grief the measurement of 4600 is irrelevant because it is the ridge around it miles away from the area in question. Do you even have an understanding of the scale in that image? I doubt it

Yes rocks roll downhill Mining machines go uphill.. really very simple



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by looofo
Has this "glitch" been discussed before?



Nope not yet so far as I know well here anyway.... Nice find Laney's version is much better than NASA's at LPI




I would have said it looks like it might be the command module but its too small... it also does not appear in 9294 or 9296 so its either a Peekaboo that popped in for one frame, or a refection on the lens as the rest of the panorama indicates that shot was close to the sun

Its not the command module though as they show that ... besides it wouldn't move out of frame that fast...




At close inspection "Peekaboo" is a good option
But then I am biased...It has a lot of detail in it to be simple lens flare






[edit on 25-2-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Feb, 25 2007 @ 11:37 PM
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I know this isn't exactly in the current flow of the thread, but I was looking through some old stuff and I don't think I ever posted this one.

This looks to me like a "cave" used for a parking large equipment.



It is on the base of the Copernicus crater and looks to be flattened out in front of the entrance, with maybe even some tracks/wear marks there too. Nice safe parking for expensive mining equipment with easy access to the various roads leading up and around the crater.

To the right of the garage lies the DirecTV dish and some other misc equiment


This is from the following pic, which is one of my favorites for showing what looks like a minining operation in Copernicus.

www.lpi.usra.edu...


Oh, and I also found this one in the same pic for the fun 'n games section... "The Joker"





Zorgon. You mentioned several pages back that you had some more interesting info on Aristarcus (I "think")... Did I miss it or are you sand-bagging again




[edit on 26-2-2007 by Zarniwoop]



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Zarniwoop
Zorgon. You mentioned several pages back that you had some more interesting info on Aristarcus (I "think")... Did I miss it or are you sand-bagging again



Welcome back long time no see....


No you didn't miss it I am still compiling that. Been real busy with shows the last 7 weeks... and I really need to work outside on the house before it gets too hot... but It will be ready soon

I had noticed that cave before... don't think I clipped it though. Missed the Joker



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 02:03 AM
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Okay this is the Shard as it was originally taken from a copy of LO-III-84...

Enterprise Mission has it and John has a 16x20 original NASA marked print of it...

I finally found a recent copy of it... it took so long because it is displayed differently....

Here is the one in NASA galleries today....



Here is the full size version from NASA

nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov...


Below is a clip from that image oriented and cropped to match the first image..



Both of these photos came from NASA

One then... and one now... why are they different?

BECAUSE NASA EDITS THEM NOW


Here is a labeled clip you can still see the base and shadow of the Shard




[edit on 26-2-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 02:15 AM
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Here is another image from a NASA sources...

I think they are telling us something with this one...


Either that or it HIM telling us what HE thinks of this puny insignificant little planetoid




[edit on 26-2-2007 by zorgon]



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
I will have to identify that Crater first... might take a while. I had the lat and long for Vitello, no so on this on but I will work on it...


[ walks away grumbling.... more... they always want more......]


Heh, sorry to keep ya busy man. My sources are interested though. Please keep me advised. You can U2U me if you want about it.

TheBorg



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon
... it also does not appear in 9294 or 9296 so its either a Peekaboo that popped in for one frame, or a refection on the lens as the rest of the panorama indicates that shot was close to the sun
At close inspection "Peekaboo" is a good option
But then I am biased...It has a lot of detail in it to be simple lens flare
[edit on 25-2-2007 by zorgon]



You are right could be a lens flare. You are wrong
you can see it on the next pics:
www.hq.nasa.gov... (in sky & ground)
and
www.hq.nasa.gov... (sky)

But on those 2 pictures there is a larger dot coming in on the right side of the image



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 11:52 AM
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OK, here we go again, and I have the smoking gun, therefore this will be my last post on this dead horse, wheee-hee-hee!

As you can see there is a hill there, which proves my point, the rock is under the influence, of gravity.

Case closed, move along people.

Image from:
www.damianpeach.com...
Lots of moon and crater pics, LOTS!

[edit on 26-2-2007 by Toadmund]



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Toadmund
this will be my last post on this dead horse,



Thank you for your contributions to this thread Toadmund, they have been appreciated. Sorry this was your last post on our 'dead horse' but we know that your word is your bond and that your promise is a promise to be kept. Respectfully.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 12:27 PM
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Well, what I meant was the rolling rock horse, not the whole thread!
I said my piece, now I will critique other things, I will critique until I can't rule anything else out.
Then I know it's a phenomenon, or not, or at least not easily explained logically.

Yeah, just made my point with the rock, that's all.



posted on Feb, 26 2007 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
Heh, sorry to keep ya busy man. My sources are interested though. Please keep me advised. You can U2U me if you want about it.


I did... but ummm just what are your "sources" up to?



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