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reply posted on 22-2-2007 @ 08:15 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by ArMaP

Do you know of any place where we can find altimetry information on that crater?


Well I have looked.... I tried the Clementine at .01 res but they won't give me that resolution...

The white mountain range I had one astronomy listing that says 3-4 kilometers in height... but the bright white area is definitely the hill part while the black is the crater floor... there is no doubt of that... Look at the sketch made by an Australian astronomer who has quite a reputation for doing this.... The crater floor is pretty flat save for the ridges and central peaks... so anything that was in the dark area is on low ground and anything that is on the light colored terrain is on high ground... doesn't get any simpler. The amount of incline is really secondary at that point as its still UP



For anyone new all the collected data on the "Rolling Rocks" is compiled here for review...

landoflegends.us...

The following are the Clementine images of Vitello Crater...



The image above is from the USGS Clementine Mapper and is the highest resolution 'Shaded Outline Relief" available for Vitello Crater. Below is the topography relief version, again in the highest resolution available.

Unfortunately they do not help us narrow in on the features we need. But they DO tell us the relative height of the central peaks.



The next image below is the highest available resolution of the Color Clementine images. What bothers me is that the available Clementine images are LESS resolution that the same crater viewed from the 1960's Lunar Orbiter.

Here is a quote from the company that made the orbiter cameras... Read the whole details at their secured website below...

[color=red]"On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high-resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table."[/color]

Lunar Orbiter - ITT on Lunar Orbiter Missions Paved Way for Moon Landing

So once again it looks like Lunar Orbiter pictures are the best we are going to get for now



Tomorrow around noon I will unveil the "Compound"
{No its not in THIS image }

[edit on 22-2-2007 by zorgon]


reply posted on 22-2-2007 @ 09:12 PM by TeslaandLyne
Originally posted by zorgon
Now then, lets go back to this anomaly....




What we need to observe here is the fact that the "track" is RAISED and in scalloped swoops that leave an obvious shadow and the swoops cross each other. Add to that the facts that the track curves, crosses an obvious ridge, goes through a depression and manages to avoid "rolling" into two craters.

Though it is in the dark depression at the top, stepping back from the image you can see that the trail starts near the top of this section and curves out into the light.

The surface of the object is reflecting sunlight brighter than anything around, its so bright as to void any detail and even give an asterisk effect. The shadow that it casts is long, almost half a kilometer. Comparing it to the other objects nearby for length this object must be very tall. Without the exact angle of the sun, there is no way to tell the true height, but the width of the object is approximately 140 meters across. This is based on the given width of 42 kilometers for Vitello Crater and the white anomaly in the bottom is 10 kilometers wide. The rest was calculated by pixel measurement and is fairly accurate. {See Detail Image Below}

Over the past few months we have attempted to show you some serious anomalies on the Moon and that NASA is not quite honest about what's going on. What amazes me from people on ATS particularly is that in the face of such an obvious anomaly, people{save a few} are willing to almost completely ignore it. NASA says its a moving rock. Look at this closely... look at the track that it digs up... thing about the size and distance it travels...

And yet most people calmly accept NASA's explanation that this is a rock, though they never once offer any explanation of how a house size rock can wander across hill and dale, scouring out deep scallops in the landscape.

I personally think this is one of the best anomalies I have yet seen... It is well documented in several images albeit not as clearly dfined as in this version...

NSSDC has it... they call it the "Moving Boulders"

NSSDC Source

the .tiff file of 10 megs shows the whole area of Vitello Crater but it is very difficult to find the boulders in that resolution..

USGS Lunar Orbiter Digitization Project has it THEY call their .tiff {16 megs}High resolution... ummm errrr okay... but hey YOU compare

USGS Source

Hint to find it.... Its in the white anomaly in the center of the crater use image h2...

Here is the detailed version... now lets discuss some of these features and actually analize this one. It is interesting to note that there are very few hits on image searches for Vitello Crater... I did find one that I will add at the end here...




Vitello - A Strange Crater on the Moon

Amateur astronomer and member of the Sydney City Skywatchers Harry Roberts does exquisitely detailed drawings of the moon. Here (above) is his drawing and description of a crater named Vitello:
Vitello’s most eye-catching feature is a near circular bright rille that encloses the brilliant chain of central peaks. I have oriented the sketch to give an astronauts-eye view into the crater from overhead. Vitello has the looks of a crater three times its size, but in fact is only 42 km across. The bright rille arises at a small crater or vent just inside the northern rim, and after meandering south for 10km sweeps around the crater floor in a near perfect curve to terminate near the central peaks. SOURCE: Sydney Observatory




OH BTW I forgot to mention when I told you where to find the track of the "boulder".... the slope that it is on is the UPHILL slope of the white mountain range....


[edit on 21-2-2007 by zorgon]


The shadow is a conic section and a round object would make that
shadow. Unless you think its a cylindrical rock that slid and rolled
down the hill. Conical rock, no but the shadow is a cone for sure.


reply posted on 22-2-2007 @ 11:36 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by Toadmund
Am I the only one here who realizes that the rock is simply rolling downhill?


Most likely... and anyone who looks at this critically can tell what is hill and what is crater floor... but your right time to move along... I have other stuff...


No mystery here, move along people.


Okay so your are saying that a 75 foot {small estimate} house size rock can stop and go {get bogged down as you say} in a fairly regular pattern, and the smaller one has the same regular pattern because it weighs less?

It goes up and over one obvious ridge... maintaining the SAME regular pattern


Please explain to me:

1) Why it would not get "bogged down" against the Ridge

2) What forces would start and stop such a big rock on a regular basis to create such a pattern...

3) just how much would such a house size rock weigh in the Lunar reduced gravity

4) Why does it cast such a long shadow when other rocks around it do not?

I think the majority of the people in this thread can do a little close examination of the terrain with the evidence we have presented and see indeed that there are many obstacles to this rock that SHOULD have stopped it, ESPECIALLY if what you say is true that it gets "bogged down"

I personally think that this is one of those images, like John Lear's Copernicus images that started this thread, that escaped the censors and they needed to come up with an explanation that the public would fall for.

It would be interesting to see if any other images of Vitello exist that show these enigmas. The higher resolution Clementime images SHOULD have done so... they do not.

Hopefully someone can work out that shadow/size question and I will add it to the summary...
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Tomorrow...Noon... THE COMPOUND



PS, there is also something called momentum, even under this (momentum) any rock on Earth can roll uphill, provided there was a bigger hill it came down first,


LOL so now it IS going uphill but you are still ignoring the size of this thing
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