Thanks for the props man but all of your questions are answered in the thread

The queswtins regarding the cameras were never answered. All you stated was that the Citgo manager said the camera was pointing at the pentagon.

So what proof do you have that the hotel camera was not pointing down like it was supposed to be and what proof do have that the citgo camera was pointing at at the pentagon?

Just because the manager said it was??......what about the untold numbers who have stated that they witnessed a plane hit the pentagon?

Originally posted by esdad71
Man, doesn't a world filled with coincidence just suck?

Especially the coincidence of so many coincidences on one day....all of which favor the government's story. Hmmm....you'd think at least one coincidence would go against the government's theory wouldn't you?

Originally posted by esdad71
"I am tinking dat da cam-rah was ova-dere. I tink."

So you go from being an inquisitive anti-CT'er asking follow-up questions about an actual investigation done without just surfing the Internet, to just another ignorant CT basher offering nothing but insults and sarcastic remarks in about an hour? Regardless of how shallow and harmless you ment the humor of this post to be, it drops you down a peg on my list of respectable sources for theory rebuttlers.

Originally posted by esdad71
Man, doesn't a world filled with coincidence just suck?

No, a world filled with fellow Americans who fervently continue to look past the inconsistencies, abnormalities, and suspicious coincidences regarding that tragic day........sucks. As a matter of fact it's downright scary.

You're cutting your own throat and you don't even realize it.

Peace

Good work Tripper, I voted WATS for you.

I believe a cartel of sorts has handed this award to many people in the past here but maybe for once somebody that deserves it will win it.

It seems obvious that not only did the Pentagon grab all potential video evidence but they also did the following: ensure that video surveilance of the pentagon is shut down from a public perception. I don't doubt that they went around grabbing evidence and ripping down cameras and THREATENING people that this is the way it has to be.

But why? I'm guessing that this helps the denial crowd to a degree in that there is not way to record the events or they hope the public believes this and the obvious paranoia that the pentagon crowd has for anybody watching them in future.

I also find it interesting that the pentagon has the ability to swoop down on watchers from a distance almost immediately today but during 911 they have no video showing what happened nor any ability to prevent the attack. Quite amazing isn't it?

Originally posted by esdad71
"I am tinking dat da cam-rah was ova-dere. I tink."

I too expected more from you esdad. This shows desperation in debunking IMO.

Thank you Jack Tripper for going above and beyond the all-too-often limited research of Google searches and putting feet to ground to search for answers. Regardless of anyone's opinion of 9/11 conspiracies, we need more people going into the field to do real first-hand research.

And thank you for bringing your findings to where the issue can be discussed by a diverse set of people interested in conspiracy speculation related to the events of 9/11.

You have voted Jack Tripper for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Brilliant post. What a great read, almost hanging on the edge of your seat describing the run in with the feds. Solid information and an issue that I personally have always challenged others on in regards to what really transpired that day. Now with this top notch post I can show others. Thanks Jack fantastic job !!!

I can't wait to see how the debunkers spin this one.

brill

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way above work here! you get my last vote.

what bothers me about this is i would expect the government to release at least one image of the plane heading towards the pentagon. they love to laugh in the face of people like us, and showing one of these missing tapes would accomplish that. that is assuming the tape showed what they want us to believe.

Originally posted by brill

I can't wait to see how the debunkers spin this one.

Well personally I could have waited a long time more for this.

Originally posted by esdad71
"I am tinking dat da cam-rah was ova-dere. I tink."

Anyone else? Or is the validity of the Citgo manager the only thing that people can think of to debunk this excellent thread by Jack Tripper?

Originally posted by elitegamer23
what bothers me about this is i would expect the government to release at least one image of the plane heading towards the pentagon.

There is one clear explanation for that... it's simple really... "they" want the conspiracy theory speculation to continue at fever pitch.

SO,

I believe that's exactly what they want. Then, when they do release the videos (if ever), they can laugh at us and say "see the crazy fools".

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by elitegamer23
what bothers me about this is i would expect the government to release at least one image of the plane heading towards the pentagon.

There is one clear explanation for that... it's simple really... "they" want the conspiracy theory speculation to continue at fever pitch.

I think that "conspiracy theory" is ludicrous.

Where is the motive?

Originally posted by Griff
SO,

I believe that's exactly what they want. Then, when they do release the videos (if ever), they can laugh at us and say "see the crazy fools".

The only reason they would care about conspiracy theorists is if there was a conspiracy.

It doesn't make sense to plan to use a 757 that looks like an AA jet only to somehow make it LOOK LIKE an AA jet DIDN'T hit the pentagon so they can "laugh" at us later.

That theory is about as ridiculous as the "no plane at the towers" nonsense.

Originally posted by Jack Tripper
Where is the motive?

The more "crazy" conspiracy theories exist, the more we have an abdominal "signal-to-noise" ratio whereby the material pointing to the real conspiracies become harder and harder to discern. Hiding in plain sight if you will.

There has been increasing speculation form the likes of the Scholars for 9/11 truth that some of the more "hair brained" conspiracy theories are a product of some nefarious involvement of agents of the conspirators. The desired goal is to generate a back-story of laughable material that enables an easy back-handed discrediting of all conspiracy theories.

I'm not saying there are "hair brained" ideas within this particular thread... but you must agree that there is indeed a category of conspiracy theorist who's efforts end up doing more harm than good.

Isn't that exactly what they have done already with the released videos? I remember Culbert or some other right winger on air stating that you can clearly see the 757 on those videos and calling conspiricacy theorists nuts. That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

I'm not saying there are "hair brained" ideas within this particular thread... but you must agree that there is indeed a category of conspiracy theorist who's efforts end up doing more harm than good.

Sure like the "no planers" that I just mentioned.

But how in the heck they made that 757 hit the building and cause damage to the pentagon that is counterintuitive to a 757 while sneekily and quickly hiding the video tapes of the 757 all in the name of "setting up" the conspiracy crowd is beyond me!

Your effort stands alone in these forums. I'm giving you a wats when I'm done typing.

The ability to do the field research well + the ability to coherently lay the information out in an smooth easy way to understand, is indeed a rare trait.

The FBI thought the cameras at the Citgo, the Sheridan and the Navy Annex might perhaps show the flight path and/or impact area of the Pentagon; so why attack those who also believe they may?

I'm very interested in the unpublished eye witness remarks that you mentioned, and how they relate to your admission that the plane did not hit the pentagon.

Would you mind publishing them in this thread, if you recorded them of course, and of course if you can find the time. Thanks