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Originally posted by etshrtslr
If god is omnipotence would he not know that adam and eve would eat from the tree after he told them not to? And why would god want to set them up to fail? Why would god say they would die if the ate yet they did not? Again if god is omnipotence why after adam and eve ate from the tree and were hiding in the garden and god was walking through the garden he had to call out for adam to see where he was at.
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
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Does this sound like an omnipotence god to you?
Originally posted by UnrealZA
On the whole sex issue.
God did not curse Eve or Adam with anything sexual, why would He when God gave us sexual organs? He tells us to procreate. He blesses the union between a man and woman, husband and wife.
Thats what I said,
Sex is not a sin,nor is the human genitalia something to be ashamed of.This is the key to life for humans.god wants us to multiply.Whithout humans there would be no god.So eat drink and be marry
peady_
[edit on 09/07/06 by PEADY]
God knew you would write this before the very foundations of the earth.
How many times have I had to ask my child, "Did you do this?" OR "What have you done?" knowing full well that they in fact did do it
Originally posted by etshrtslr
This goes back to my original question.....If god knew they would eat from the tree and then he would have to punish them afterwards why set them up to fail?
Why not create a version of man that would not have to be destroyed?
Alchemy and Tantra
Tree of Knowledge: One of two trees in the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Knowledge in Hebrew is Daath, which is related to the sexual organs and the study of Alchemy/Tantra.
The Two Trees of the Garden of Eden are the two essential branches of all knowledge.
The Tree of Life is the science of Kabbalah.
The Tree of Knowledge is the science of Tantra, or as it is known in the West, Alchemy.
Alchemy: Al (Arabic, as in Allah) means "God." Also El (Hebrew) for "God." Chem or Khem is from kimia (Greek) which means "to fuse or cast a metal." Also from Khem, the ancient name of Egypt. The synthesis is therefore Al-Kimia: "to fuse with God."
Tantra: Sanskrit for "continuum" or "unbroken stream." This refers first (1) to the continuum of vital energy that sustains all existence, and second (2) to the class of knowledge and practices that harnesses that vital energy, thereby transforming the practitioner.
The Tree of Knowledge (Alchemy/Tantra) is Daath (Hebrew for knowledge), which is the same as Gnosis (Greek for knowledge).
This science was known and practiced by the ancient Egyptians, Aztecs, Mayans, Chaldeans, Greeks, Tibetans, Indians, Zen and Chan Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Sufis, and many, many more.
The understanding of the Tree of Knowledge (Daath) is fundamental in order to understand any religion or mysticism.
And Jehovah Elohim commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but for the Tree of Knowledge, thou shall not eat of it. For in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die..." - Genesis 2:16-17
To understand what this means is the difference between awakening as an angel or as a Demon.
Books and classes on Alchemy and Tantra are becoming as common as weeds. There is a growing fascination with this subject, and yet, what of it is genuine and pure?
If you feel that the view and practice of Dzogchen (Tantrism) is quite simple, it is a sign that you have not understood it properly. It would be quite ironic if the highest of the nine vehicles, the Great Perfection, were the most simple. That would be very ironic indeed. - The Fourteenth Dalai Lama
The ancient and long-revered tradition of Tantrism is synonymous with the true heart of Western Alchemy. Both seek to transform the initiated student into the ultimate fulfillment of human existence: a purified soul, an angel, a Buddha, a Master, free of Suffering and marked by the spontaneous expression of pure and selfless compassion.
While Alchemy is most known for greedy Gold-seeking "chemists," there were a handful of real Alchemists, men and women who learned how to conquer death, spontaneously generate precious metals and gems, and cure incurable diseases; most of all, they were known for creating the Philosopher's Stone: a magical item which could work miracles and bestow eternal life. These stories are identical to the tales of yogis and monks of the East who walked upon the winds and performed all manner of miraculous acts.
The Philosopher's Stone is related with the stone of Jacob.
And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon. - Genesis 35:14
The Philosopher's Stone is related with the foundation stone mentioned repeatedly in the Christian Gospels.
The stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence. - 1 Peter 2: 7-8
The Philosopher's Stone is created by perfecting our own rough and unworked stone, the Brute Stone of the primeval Masons.
The secret wisdom of the Tree of Knowledge reveals the science to develop the Philosopher's Stone, or in other words, the human temple: the Soul.
Both the Western branch (Alchemy) and the Eastern branch (Tantrism) of this ancient science have been fractured into many variations and movements. The pure ones have generally gone underground or "disappeared" from view, either due to intense persecution or outright murder. In their wake there have appeared many degenerated sects of who sought only to feed their desires, thereby giving birth to many of the most widespread "spiritual" movements of today.
In truth, we can categorize all forms of Alchemy and Tantrism into three types: White, Grey and Black.
The White form seeks to transform the impure into perfect purity, creating an "angel."
The Black form seeks to increase Desire, lust, pride and power, creating a "demon."
The Grey form is a mix of the two, but it inevitably becomes Black, because the Ego is so heavy in mankind.
To enter into the positive and uplifting realm of White Tantra requires exact science. The method to Return to God is not negotiable: there is only one way to ascend, althought it has appeared to mankind under many guises. As the great Kabbalist and Alchemist Jesus of Nazareth said,
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Beware of false prophets (who teach misleading doctrines), which come to you in sheep's clothing (posing as enlightened beings), but inwardly they are ravening wolves (of the Abyss). - Matthew 7:13-15
Throughout the writings of Samael Aun Weor you will find many of the key elements of the formulas of Highest Yoga Tantra, otherwise known as Alchemy.
In the view of Tantra, the body's vital energies are the vehicles of the Mind. When the vital energies are pure and subtle, one's state of mind will be accordingly affected. By transforming these bodily energies we transform the state of Consciousness. - The Fourteenth Dalai Lama
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...Hindu traditions and monuments support Adam and Eve’s story, and their fall. This
tradition also exists among Tibetan Buddhists, and was taught by ancient Chinese and
Persians.
Thus, the original sin is the root of the ego, the causa causorum of the self or myself.
The purification performed in different cultures in order to cleanse the baby when coming
to life, is indeed a pact of Sexual Magic.
In Yucatan, Mexico, the newborn child was taken to the temple and there, the priest
sprinkled baptismal water on his head and gave him a name. In the Canary Islands,
women, instead of priests, had this duty.
Adam and Eve are always separated by the trunk of the tree of paradise. In most cases,
the serpent coiled around it is depicted with a human head.
Only by fulfilling the Sexual Magic pact, the sacrament of baptism, can the original sin
be annihilated so that we may return to paradise.
Jakin and Boaz, Urim and Thummim, Apollo and Diana, are certainly the chief columns
of the temple of wisdom.
The arcanum A.Z.F., the key of the Great Work, is found in the centre of the two columns
of the temple.
Adoring his Divine Mother Kundalini, the sacred serpent that ascends along the Tao path
(the spinal cord), Goethe exclaimed in total ecstasy:
Virgin pure in the most noble sense
Mother worthy of all veneration
Queen by us chosen
In equal condition to the gods
Longing to die in himself at that instant, that great initiate, after having totally understood
a psychological error, and during the metaphysical copulation, cried with all the forces of
his soul:
Arrows, pierce me
Spears, submit me
Maces, wound me
May everything disappear
May everything be vanished
May the perennial star
Source of eternal love, Shine....
Understanding and elimination is the key to St. Andrew’s cross. This is how we undergo
death from instant to instant.
It is impossible to radically eliminate a psychological defect without fully understanding
it at all levels of the mind.
Work With the Mercury
...We ignore the laws given by the Cosmic Christ in every tradition. What is that fundamental law? “Thou shalt not Fornicate.” And yet we do, and we justify that by using the same scripture.
We say, "Well, God said we must be fruitful and multiply." But we ignore the meaning of that scripture, which is to be fruitful of the Spirit, to come to know Him.
In the same scripture He tells us, very directly, that to have an emission of semen is to become unclean. And yet we justify our emission or our release of sexual energy. The desire for sexual sensation is very potent, and when combined with our own animal mind, and our intellectual rationalization, we seek to use that fire to satisfy our craving for sensation. What we fail to see is the law of the pendulum.
If you have a fire that's raging in your house, what will happen if you throw gasoline on it? It will get worse. And yet, every time we experience and feel a craving for sensation, this is precisely what we do. We feed that desire...
Normal Sexuality
...In Lemuria, no human being ejaculated the Semen. Then, couples united sexually in the temples to create. During those moments, the lunar hierarchies knew how to utilize one spermatozoon and one egg in order to create without the necessity of the couple reaching the orgasm and seminal ejaculation. No one spilled the semen. The sexual act was a sacrament which was only performed within the temple. Woman in that time gave birth to children without pain, and the serpent was raised victoriously through the medullar canal. In that epoch, human beings had not yet left Eden, all of Nature obeyed them, and they knew neither pain nor sin. The tenebrous Lucifers were the ones who showed humans how to spill the semen.
The original sin of our first parents was the crime of spilling the semen.
That is Fornication. When the paradisiacal human being fornicated, he then penetrated the kingdom of the Lucifers. The human being of this day and age is luciferic...
...The struggle of many monks, nuns, anchorites, pseudo-yogis, etc., to bottle up sex within their religious fanaticism, to confine it to the prison of their penitence, to muzzle it or sterilize it, to prohibit all creative manifestation, etc., converts the fanatics into a slave of their own passions. They become slaves of sex, incapable of thinking about anything other than sex. These are the ones who are fanatic about sex. These are the degenerates ones of infra-sexuality. These people discharge their energy every night with disgusting nocturnal emissions or acquire homosexual vices or masturbate miserably. Wanting to confine sex is like wanting to bottle up the Sun. A man like this is the most abject slave of sex without any benefit or true pleasure. A man like this is an unhappy sinner. A woman like this is a sterile mule, a vile slave of that which she wants to enslave (sex). The enemies of the Holy Spirit are people of the Abyss. It would have been better for these people if they had never been born or if they "tied a millstone around their necks and hurled themselves to the bottom of the sea."
4: The Third Invocation
...Many extremely dangerous demons live in the World of the Cosmic Mind! On a certain occasion, we entered a very luminous temple of the World of the Mind. All of us, the investigators, were functioning with our Mental Body. In that temple, there was a venerable group of elders. They were dressed in the robes of Masters. They wore sandals. Their white hair fell over their shoulders in beautiful curls. Their long white beards and their wide foreheads, gave those elders a magnificent appearance. We, the investigators, believed that we were in a Temple of White Magic, before a group of Holy Masters. That was the belief we had! One of those elders pronounced an ineffable speech.
He spoke of sublime things. He spoke divinely. He spoke of love, goodness, beauty, Charity, etc. Suddenly, the grand Master began to delicately touch the problem of Sex. Then, in a sublime way he said:
“Be fruitful, and multiply; the sexual act is nothing bad, seminal ejaculation is not bad, it is necessary for reproduction, because God said: “Be fruitful, and multiply!” Genesis 1: 28
This and many other terms were used by that venerable elder, to defend seminal ejaculation. It was then that we began to suspect the Sanctity of that “saint.” We began to doubt... could this elder be a Black Magician? However, when looking around us, we only saw venerable elders... splendorous light! Ineffable things... It even seemed a sacrilege to us to doubt this Master and such a holy place!
However, the mortifying doubt, in spite of everything, in spite of all our Reasoning, continued to afflict us deeply. Then, at this moment one of us, wanting to clear up these doubts, stood up and exclaimed the following phrases: “Hail to the Christ! Down with Javhe!
Christ and Javhe are the two antitheses. Light and Darkness! White Magic and Black Magic…! Javhe is that demon that tempted Christ on the Mountain. Javhe is a terribly perverse demon! He is the Chief of the Black Magistracy.
So, when we shouted: “Hail to Christ” and “down with Javhe,” that Black Lodge, filled with anger, and became enraged with us. Black Magicians adore Javhe; they follow Javhe... Thus, this is what happened that night within that temple in the World of the Mind!
When those apparently “holy” men (with venerable and august appearances) heard that “Hail to Christ” and “Down with Javhe,” something horrible happened... suddenly, the apparently “holy” face of that venerable elder that spoke to us was completely disturbed, it became totally enraged and distorted...
It was then when we beheld the unsuspected, the unmasked elder with his horrible countenance joined the rest of “holy” elders who completely unmasked themselves; they were true Princes of Darkness, terrible Black Magicians of the World of the Cosmic Mind! They insulted us with phrases and words proper only to the great Harlot whose number is 666. Thus, they attacked us violently...
We had to unsheathe the Flaming Sword in order to defend ourselves! Later, we left that den of Black Magic, which in the beginning we thought was a temple of sanctity...
Originally posted by Tamahu
...We ignore the laws given by the Cosmic Christ in every tradition.
Comprende?
Originally posted by probedbygrays
I am quite sure I know what The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil is and I thought I'd make a space where others can state their beliefs about what it is, or was.
What was The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil , and Why did Adam and Eve hide their genitalia from God after they had eaten from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?
Those who look outward, dream. Those who look inward, awaken
"What you are looking for is what is looking"
-- Saint Francis of Assisi
"i am the word"
"judge not lest thee be judged"
"the meek shall inheret the earth"
"like the mind of a child"
"we currently reside in the dominion of Satan *the dark prince"
" Everything that has ever happened, is happening, or ever will happen is encoded into the Torah"
What was The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil , and Why did Adam and Eve hide their genitalia from God after they had eaten from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?