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The Tree of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil

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posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 11:55 PM

Originally posted by etshrtslr
If god is omnipotence would he not know that adam and eve would eat from the tree after he told them not to? And why would god want to set them up to fail? Why would god say they would die if the ate yet they did not? Again if god is omnipotence why after adam and eve ate from the tree and were hiding in the garden and god was walking through the garden he had to call out for adam to see where he was at.

Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"


Does this sound like an omnipotence god to you?

Beyond that, God knew you would write this before the very foundations of the earth. Why would He allow you to do that?

Omnipotent means "All Powerful" and Omniscience means "All Knowing"

Adam and Eve did in fact DIE after the fall. They first died spiritually and they would then die years later a physical death. This is then why God asked, "Where are you?" It was not because God did not know where Adam was (God is Omniscient) but rather where was Adam now spiritually?

God was still God the Father of Adam and Eve yet the fellowship had been broken. This is what has to be restored between man and God. How many times have I had to ask my child, "Did you do this?" OR "What have you done?" knowing full well that they in fact did do it. I am seeking for them to admit to their wrong and apologize for it. I want them to experience guilt and shame so they they may come to also know and rejoice in forgivness, not only being forgiven but also forgiving.

How can I, as a sinner, know and appreciate TRUE love and forgivness, if I have nothing to be forgiven of? Think deeply upon this and then look at the Eden story again.

There are many things going on in the story of Eden but the most important image we see is of Christ the Messiah. Adam and Eve seek to hide from the Holy God for they knew they had sinned. They seek to cover up their nakedness with temporary covers. These covers will need to be replaced often. God has compassion on them and kill an innocent animal and makes for them a more permanent covering. They no longer need to concern themselves with getting new leaves daily.

This is a picture of Christ and atoning for sin. God sends His Son, who is innocent, and sheds His blood to cover the sins of those who are His, "once for all".

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 12:19 AM
On the whole sex issue.

God did not curse Eve or Adam with anything sexual, why would He when God gave us sexual organs? He tells us to procreate. He blesses the union between a man and woman, husband and wife.

First off, in the discussion prior to God handing down judgments we have a passing of the buck. Adam blames it on Eve and Eve blames it on the serpent.

God starts with the serpent. We have here a curse and prophecy as the "seed" of the women will be bruised by the serpent yet the woman's seed will crush the head of the serpent. This is symbolic of Christ. The serpent will bruise Him (Jesus torture and death) yet Christ will raise and defeat death, thus crushing Satan.

God then turns to Eve,

Gen 3:16
"I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you."

Childbirth itself is not the curse but rather the physical ordeal of childbirth itself. Some scholars feel this can be attributed to how a mother, namely Eve here, would have heartache over the death of her son Abel. The pain is then both physical and emotional in the delivery of the child and the raising of the child as any mother can tell you.

In a cursed marriage there is a power struggle. In a marriage where God rules, each knows their rightful place. Men are NOT to lord over their wives for God took and created the women from the SIDE of Adam thus meaning that the man is to take the women to his side and walk as such through life. A man is to "cleave" to his wife and the two shall become one (echad) flesh.

Gen 3:17-19
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 "Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
19 By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return."

In a nutshell the above states that mankind is always in a state of decay. From the moment an infant is born they then start dying. Notice also that this curse will produce "thorns and thistles"? Christ was given a crown of thorns to wear as a temporary crown. It was symbolic of God taking this curse and nailing it to the cross. In Christ there is no curse for He Himself took upon Himself the curse. He has truly bore our sin.

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:27 AM

Originally posted by UnrealZA
On the whole sex issue.

God did not curse Eve or Adam with anything sexual, why would He when God gave us sexual organs? He tells us to procreate. He blesses the union between a man and woman, husband and wife.

Thats what I said,
Sex is not a sin,nor is the human genitalia something to be ashamed of.This is the key to life for humans.god wants us to multiply.Whithout humans there would be no god.So eat drink and be marry


[edit on 09/07/06 by PEADY]

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 10:49 AM

God knew you would write this before the very foundations of the earth.

This goes back to my original question.....If god knew they would eat from the tree and then he would have to punish them afterwards why set them up to fail?

How many times have I had to ask my child, "Did you do this?" OR "What have you done?" knowing full well that they in fact did do it

Being Omniscience that your child is going to do somthing wrong and still allowing them to do it and knowing they did do somthing after the fact are two entirely different things.

If you knew your child was going to do somthing wrong before they did it and you could stop them from doing it, would you? Or would you let them do it so you could punish them?

If the god depicted in the bible is truley Omnipotent and Omniscience would he not know that man would turn evil and he would have to destroy mankind and the earth with the flood? And if so why would god create man knowing he would have to destroy him later on? Why not create a version of man that would not have to be destroyed?

Please understand I do believe in God just not the god that is depicted in alot of the bible. I dont think a truely loving God would destroy his own children anymore than truely loving parents would destroy their own children.

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 05:07 PM

Originally posted by etshrtslr
This goes back to my original question.....If god knew they would eat from the tree and then he would have to punish them afterwards why set them up to fail?

Why not create a version of man that would not have to be destroyed?

First off no one is going to have all their "why" questions answered this side of eternity. Second, God knows things that we don't.

God is creating us into a group of people that are unique. Since we live this side of the cross and before Christ's return those who accept Christ are going to be blessed differently than other groups. We are going to be "like" Him. We won't be a God or god, but we will have some of the same attributes He has. We will be able to do things that are unique.

It was still Adam and Eve's choice to disobey, even though God knew they would.

Why not create a different version of man?

The following may help to answer that.

"Without the power to choose there is no ability to love"

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 07:30 PM
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is indeed Sexual.

Sex with fornication(orgasm) and adultry would be "Evil" because they ultimately lead to suffering.

Sex without orgasm or fornication between a married Loving couple(of opposite sexes), can lead to Self-Realization and Divine Union, which would therefore be "Good".

But the Ultimate Good is to go beyond relative good and evil, and to Ultimately be liberated from terrestrial sex by means of Transmutation in the physical act between Woman and Man.

But we can't go beyond good and evil without first comprehending both of them through relationship and practical experience(Gnosis).

Alchemy and Tantra

Tree of Knowledge: One of two trees in the Garden of Eden, the Tree of Knowledge in Hebrew is Daath, which is related to the sexual organs and the study of Alchemy/Tantra.

The Two Trees of the Garden of Eden are the two essential branches of all knowledge.

The Tree of Life is the science of Kabbalah.

The Tree of Knowledge is the science of Tantra, or as it is known in the West, Alchemy.

Alchemy: Al (Arabic, as in Allah) means "God." Also El (Hebrew) for "God." Chem or Khem is from kimia (Greek) which means "to fuse or cast a metal." Also from Khem, the ancient name of Egypt. The synthesis is therefore Al-Kimia: "to fuse with God."

Tantra: Sanskrit for "continuum" or "unbroken stream." This refers first (1) to the continuum of vital energy that sustains all existence, and second (2) to the class of knowledge and practices that harnesses that vital energy, thereby transforming the practitioner.

The Tree of Knowledge (Alchemy/Tantra) is Daath (Hebrew for knowledge), which is the same as Gnosis (Greek for knowledge).

This science was known and practiced by the ancient Egyptians, Aztecs, Mayans, Chaldeans, Greeks, Tibetans, Indians, Zen and Chan Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Sufis, and many, many more.

The understanding of the Tree of Knowledge (Daath) is fundamental in order to understand any religion or mysticism.

And Jehovah Elohim commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but for the Tree of Knowledge, thou shall not eat of it. For in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die..." - Genesis 2:16-17

To understand what this means is the difference between awakening as an angel or as a Demon.

Books and classes on Alchemy and Tantra are becoming as common as weeds. There is a growing fascination with this subject, and yet, what of it is genuine and pure?

If you feel that the view and practice of Dzogchen (Tantrism) is quite simple, it is a sign that you have not understood it properly. It would be quite ironic if the highest of the nine vehicles, the Great Perfection, were the most simple. That would be very ironic indeed. - The Fourteenth Dalai Lama

The ancient and long-revered tradition of Tantrism is synonymous with the true heart of Western Alchemy. Both seek to transform the initiated student into the ultimate fulfillment of human existence: a purified soul, an angel, a Buddha, a Master, free of Suffering and marked by the spontaneous expression of pure and selfless compassion.

While Alchemy is most known for greedy Gold-seeking "chemists," there were a handful of real Alchemists, men and women who learned how to conquer death, spontaneously generate precious metals and gems, and cure incurable diseases; most of all, they were known for creating the Philosopher's Stone: a magical item which could work miracles and bestow eternal life. These stories are identical to the tales of yogis and monks of the East who walked upon the winds and performed all manner of miraculous acts.

The Philosopher's Stone is related with the stone of Jacob.

And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon. - Genesis 35:14

The Philosopher's Stone is related with the foundation stone mentioned repeatedly in the Christian Gospels.

The stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, and a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence. - 1 Peter 2: 7-8

The Philosopher's Stone is created by perfecting our own rough and unworked stone, the Brute Stone of the primeval Masons.

The secret wisdom of the Tree of Knowledge reveals the science to develop the Philosopher's Stone, or in other words, the human temple: the Soul.

Both the Western branch (Alchemy) and the Eastern branch (Tantrism) of this ancient science have been fractured into many variations and movements. The pure ones have generally gone underground or "disappeared" from view, either due to intense persecution or outright murder. In their wake there have appeared many degenerated sects of who sought only to feed their desires, thereby giving birth to many of the most widespread "spiritual" movements of today.

In truth, we can categorize all forms of Alchemy and Tantrism into three types: White, Grey and Black.

The White form seeks to transform the impure into perfect purity, creating an "angel."

The Black form seeks to increase Desire, lust, pride and power, creating a "demon."

The Grey form is a mix of the two, but it inevitably becomes Black, because the Ego is so heavy in mankind.

To enter into the positive and uplifting realm of White Tantra requires exact science. The method to Return to God is not negotiable: there is only one way to ascend, althought it has appeared to mankind under many guises. As the great Kabbalist and Alchemist Jesus of Nazareth said,

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets (who teach misleading doctrines), which come to you in sheep's clothing (posing as enlightened beings), but inwardly they are ravening wolves (of the Abyss). - Matthew 7:13-15

Throughout the writings of Samael Aun Weor you will find many of the key elements of the formulas of Highest Yoga Tantra, otherwise known as Alchemy.

In the view of Tantra, the body's vital energies are the vehicles of the Mind. When the vital energies are pure and subtle, one's state of mind will be accordingly affected. By transforming these bodily energies we transform the state of Consciousness. - The Fourteenth Dalai Lama


posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 07:50 PM
Could the trees be manifested as the Urim and Thummim worn under the breastplate of the Levites in their service to the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple of Solomon?

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 07:57 PM
Yes, there is a relation to the Urim and Thummin.

In one aspect, Urim and Thummim are related to Jachin and Boaz, the Two Pillars of the Temple of Solomon.

Jachin and Boaz in one level of symbolism are the Man and Woman.

From the "Secret Doctrine of Anahuac"(From a PDF translation that may contain errors and/or poor translation):

...Hindu traditions and monuments support Adam and Eve’s story, and their fall. This
tradition also exists among Tibetan Buddhists, and was taught by ancient Chinese and

Thus, the original sin is the root of the ego, the causa causorum of the self or myself.

The purification performed in different cultures in order to cleanse the baby when coming
to life, is indeed a pact of Sexual Magic.

In Yucatan, Mexico, the newborn child was taken to the temple and there, the priest
sprinkled baptismal water on his head and gave him a name. In the Canary Islands,
women, instead of priests, had this duty.

Adam and Eve are always separated by the trunk of the tree of paradise. In most cases,
the serpent coiled around it is depicted with a human head.

Only by fulfilling the Sexual Magic pact, the sacrament of baptism, can the original sin
be annihilated so that we may return to paradise.

Jakin and Boaz, Urim and Thummim, Apollo and Diana, are certainly the chief columns
of the temple of wisdom.

The arcanum A.Z.F., the key of the Great Work, is found in the centre of the two columns
of the temple.

Adoring his Divine Mother Kundalini, the sacred serpent that ascends along the Tao path
(the spinal cord), Goethe exclaimed in total ecstasy:

Virgin pure in the most noble sense
Mother worthy of all veneration
Queen by us chosen
In equal condition to the gods

Longing to die in himself at that instant, that great initiate, after having totally understood
a psychological error, and during the metaphysical copulation, cried with all the forces of
his soul:

Arrows, pierce me
Spears, submit me
Maces, wound me
May everything disappear
May everything be vanished
May the perennial star
Source of eternal love, Shine....

Understanding and elimination is the key to St. Andrew’s cross. This is how we undergo
death from instant to instant.

It is impossible to radically eliminate a psychological defect without fully understanding
it at all levels of the mind.

[edit on 14-9-2006 by Tamahu]

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 08:03 PM
There is some further explanation of Daath(Alchemy/Tantra) in the following post(and many of my other posts):

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:25 PM
It was a literal tree, but God employed it for a symbolic purpose. Because he called it “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad” and because he commanded that the first human pair not eat from it, the tree fittingly symbolized God’s right to determine for humans what is “good” (pleasing to God) and what is “bad” (displeasing to God). The presence of this tree thus tested man’s respect for God’s sovereignty. Sadly, the first human pair disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit. They failed this simple yet profound test of obedience and appreciation.—Gen. 3:1-6.

But humankind was under God’s sovereignty. The first man and woman were to confirm their submission to God by obediently abstaining from the fruit of one particular tree, “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.” (Genesis 2:17) Sadly, Adam and Eve abused their free moral agency and disobeyed God. Taking the forbidden fruit was not simply an act of theft. It constituted rebellion against God’s sovereignty. A footnote to Genesis 2:17 in The New Jerusalem Bible states that Adam and Eve laid claim “to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognise his status as a created being . . . The first sin was an attack on God’s sovereignty.”

Because of the serious moral issues involved, God allowed Adam and Eve and their descendants to choose their own way of life, and they established their own standards of right and wrong. (Psalm 147:19, 20; Romans 2:14) In essence, the human experiment with self-determination then began. Has it been successful? With the advantage of thousands of years of hindsight, we can say no!

Ecclesiastes 8:9 states: “Man has dominated man to his injury.” This lamentable record of human self-rule confirms the truthfulness of Jeremiah 10:23: 23 ¶ O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. KJV

History has proved that humans do not have the capacity to rule successfully without their Creator.

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:33 PM
Many do not know that both these interpretations flatly contradict the context of the Genesis account. Let’s consider first the idea that God’s prohibition in Eden was really one against sexual relations. The law in question is recorded at Genesis 2:16, 17: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

Was that really a veiled reference to sex? Well, as recorded at Genesis 1:27, 28, God commanded the man and the woman to “be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.” How were Adam and Eve to obey that command without having sexual relations? Are we really to suppose that God gave them a command and then sentenced them to death for trying to obey it?

Besides, the Genesis account shows that Adam and Eve sinned separately, not simultaneously. !!

Chapter 3, verse 6, makes it clear that Eve was seduced to eat of the fruit first and that “afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it.” So eating of the forbidden fruit would make an inept and farfetched symbol of sexual intercourse.

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:34 PM
It doesn't make sense to say that they had free will but they didn't know good and or evil. How can you choose, or exercise free will if you don't have anything to compare your choice against? How can you make a choice if you don't have something to choose? It seems in this story the only choice was to obey or not to obey. Without knowledge it would be blind obedience.

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:44 PM
In the beginning God created the sex impulses and generative powers in the first man and woman and commanded them to cohabit and bring forth children. It was therefore no sin for the perfect pair to have sexual intercourse. However, when Adam and Eve disobeyed God, not in the matter of sex relations, but in eating the forbidden fruit, drastic changes took place. Suddenly their guilty sin-stricken consciences made them aware of their nakedness, and they immediately covered their genital organs from God’s sight. (Ge 3:7, 10, 11)

From then on, men could not carry out the procreative mandate in perfection, but, instead, the hereditary blemish of sin and the penalty of death would be transmitted from the parents to children. Even the most upright and God-fearing parents produce sin-infected children.—Ps 51:5

They had now become “like God, knowing good and bad,” in that they no longer accepted the standards of good and bad as set by Jehovah God but they had become judges for themselves as to what was good and what was bad. In spite of this, their consciences began to bother them. They felt exposed, needing a covering. Their bodily nakedness was no longer a clean, innocent state in their eyes, in which to appear before God. So they began tailoring and covered over their private parts that God had given them for the honorable purpose of reproduction of their kind.

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 09:50 PM
We have to remember that obstaining from the Sexual act does not necessarily make us Chaste.

Taking part in the Holy Sexual act does not necessarily make us fornicators either:

Work With the Mercury

...We ignore the laws given by the Cosmic Christ in every tradition. What is that fundamental law? “Thou shalt not Fornicate.” And yet we do, and we justify that by using the same scripture.

We say, "Well, God said we must be fruitful and multiply." But we ignore the meaning of that scripture, which is to be fruitful of the Spirit, to come to know Him.

In the same scripture He tells us, very directly, that to have an emission of semen is to become unclean. And yet we justify our emission or our release of sexual energy. The desire for sexual sensation is very potent, and when combined with our own animal mind, and our intellectual rationalization, we seek to use that fire to satisfy our craving for sensation. What we fail to see is the law of the pendulum.

If you have a fire that's raging in your house, what will happen if you throw gasoline on it? It will get worse. And yet, every time we experience and feel a craving for sensation, this is precisely what we do. We feed that desire

Normal Sexuality

...In Lemuria, no human being ejaculated the Semen. Then, couples united sexually in the temples to create. During those moments, the lunar hierarchies knew how to utilize one spermatozoon and one egg in order to create without the necessity of the couple reaching the orgasm and seminal ejaculation. No one spilled the semen. The sexual act was a sacrament which was only performed within the temple. Woman in that time gave birth to children without pain, and the serpent was raised victoriously through the medullar canal. In that epoch, human beings had not yet left Eden, all of Nature obeyed them, and they knew neither pain nor sin. The tenebrous Lucifers were the ones who showed humans how to spill the semen.

The original sin of our first parents was the crime of spilling the semen.

That is Fornication. When the paradisiacal human being fornicated, he then penetrated the kingdom of the Lucifers. The human being of this day and age is luciferic...

...The struggle of many monks, nuns, anchorites, pseudo-yogis, etc., to bottle up sex within their religious fanaticism, to confine it to the prison of their penitence, to muzzle it or sterilize it, to prohibit all creative manifestation, etc., converts the fanatics into a slave of their own passions. They become slaves of sex, incapable of thinking about anything other than sex. These are the ones who are fanatic about sex. These are the degenerates ones of infra-sexuality. These people discharge their energy every night with disgusting nocturnal emissions or acquire homosexual vices or masturbate miserably. Wanting to confine sex is like wanting to bottle up the Sun. A man like this is the most abject slave of sex without any benefit or true pleasure. A man like this is an unhappy sinner. A woman like this is a sterile mule, a vile slave of that which she wants to enslave (sex). The enemies of the Holy Spirit are people of the Abyss. It would have been better for these people if they had never been born or if they "tied a millstone around their necks and hurled themselves to the bottom of the sea."

4: The Third Invocation

...Many extremely dangerous demons live in the World of the Cosmic Mind! On a certain occasion, we entered a very luminous temple of the World of the Mind. All of us, the investigators, were functioning with our Mental Body. In that temple, there was a venerable group of elders. They were dressed in the robes of Masters. They wore sandals. Their white hair fell over their shoulders in beautiful curls. Their long white beards and their wide foreheads, gave those elders a magnificent appearance. We, the investigators, believed that we were in a Temple of White Magic, before a group of Holy Masters. That was the belief we had! One of those elders pronounced an ineffable speech.

He spoke of sublime things. He spoke divinely. He spoke of love, goodness, beauty, Charity, etc. Suddenly, the grand Master began to delicately touch the problem of Sex. Then, in a sublime way he said:

“Be fruitful, and multiply; the sexual act is nothing bad, seminal ejaculation is not bad, it is necessary for reproduction, because God said: “Be fruitful, and multiply!” Genesis 1: 28

This and many other terms were used by that venerable elder, to defend seminal ejaculation. It was then that we began to suspect the Sanctity of that “saint.” We began to doubt... could this elder be a Black Magician? However, when looking around us, we only saw venerable elders... splendorous light! Ineffable things... It even seemed a sacrilege to us to doubt this Master and such a holy place!

However, the mortifying doubt, in spite of everything, in spite of all our Reasoning, continued to afflict us deeply. Then, at this moment one of us, wanting to clear up these doubts, stood up and exclaimed the following phrases: “Hail to the Christ! Down with Javhe!

Christ and Javhe are the two antitheses. Light and Darkness! White Magic and Black Magic…! Javhe is that demon that tempted Christ on the Mountain. Javhe is a terribly perverse demon! He is the Chief of the Black Magistracy.

So, when we shouted: “Hail to Christ” and “down with Javhe,” that Black Lodge, filled with anger, and became enraged with us. Black Magicians adore Javhe; they follow Javhe... Thus, this is what happened that night within that temple in the World of the Mind!

When those apparently “holy” men (with venerable and august appearances) heard that “Hail to Christ” and “Down with Javhe,” something horrible happened... suddenly, the apparently “holy” face of that venerable elder that spoke to us was completely disturbed, it became totally enraged and distorted...

It was then when we beheld the unsuspected, the unmasked elder with his horrible countenance joined the rest of “holy” elders who completely unmasked themselves; they were true Princes of Darkness, terrible Black Magicians of the World of the Cosmic Mind! They insulted us with phrases and words proper only to the great Harlot whose number is 666. Thus, they attacked us violently...

We had to unsheathe the Flaming Sword in order to defend ourselves! Later, we left that den of Black Magic, which in the beginning we thought was a temple of sanctity...


[edit on 14-9-2006 by Tamahu]

posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 10:29 PM
So there is a method in order to procreate without fornicating(ejaculation) and it is given here:

To Spill Or Not To Spill In Order To Have Children, ...that is the REALLY BIG Question!

posted on Sep, 15 2006 @ 08:17 AM
I've always thought that the apple that Eve gave to Adam was her virginity.
The serpent (or evil spirit) told her that if she gave it to Adam, they would be godlike
and procreate. And that they would live forever...meaning through their ancestors
and bloodline...although that would mean they themselves would be mortal and die
as they then were thrown out of the garden of eden, which sounds like to me that it
was environmentally sound and protected from the elements.
Outside of the "protected area" = the garden of eden, they would have to deal with beasts, pestilance, germs, bacteria, droughts, floods etc etc. Things that would shorten their life spans.

I think God had every intention of them procreating at some point but maybe the
outside world of Eden wasnt quite ready/stable yet. Or maybe they werent meant to mate with "each other" but with someone else? Godlike entities maybe? Maybe that
was why God through them out of the garden of eden, as they had ruined his plans.
And they were now "sullied" in some way and no longer good for the grand plan.
(After all, because Eve was made from Adams rib, they would share the same DNA.)
And when you think about that, it would cause a domino affect of relatives mating.
Which even today, its known that it can cause deformitites etc. and is outlawed in most countries)

Having the tree there to begin with, could well have been a test of character and
faith. If they couldnt do something as simple as not eating from it, then maybe that
would also discount them from being included in his plan? Maybe Adam and eve
were just protypes? Easily expendable from Eden if they didnt match up?
They had obviously chosen the evil ones way, and so god expelled them from Eden
as he now considered them "of the world" of the evil who could now run and ruin
their lives with tempation, sickness, disease, etc etc.

Probably doesnt make much sense. But thats my 2 cents worth.

posted on Sep, 16 2006 @ 02:54 PM
By engaging in sex at a time when the body became physical the spirit, lucifer fell into a body. The body having been beautiful and made especially for him/her it was corrupted yet again by the serpent (snake). Now twice Adam and Even having known evil, being tempted and then corrupted by the Draco. Knowledge of good began to wane in this 'new world.'

posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 07:15 PM
Well, is the TREE the Spinal Column?
The Serpent the Kundalini Fire
And the knowledge of (in this case good & evil) the experience of transmuting the fire of desire into the fire of light activation through sexual control of the fire of the desire nature of sexuality and pineal gland secretions?
The tree of Life would also fit with this human spine as Tree theory.

Tamahu, it seems the above may have come partially from some of your provided resources in my understanding.

This would incorporate the ideas of the trees being activated from mushrooms and weed as well, only the bio-chemistry of the body can activate the '___' molecules in the pineal gland rather than being stimulated by natural organic sources outside of our bodies.

posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Tamahu

...We ignore the laws given by the Cosmic Christ in every tradition.


Por Favor, Yo comprendo.

The COSMIS CHRIST IS SATAN.....................comprende?????????????

Do you even understand what you are posting??????????????

posted on Sep, 17 2006 @ 11:51 PM

Originally posted by probedbygrays

I am quite sure I know what The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil is and I thought I'd make a space where others can state their beliefs about what it is, or was.

What was The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil , and Why did Adam and Eve hide their genitalia from God after they had eaten from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?

The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil has been has been guarded by two of God's angels.

One is the epitome of FEAR.

One is the epitome of HATE.

armed with the god of truth, they yield to us.

they reside within our minds.

Those who look outward, dream. Those who look inward, awaken

"What you are looking for is what is looking"
-- Saint Francis of Assisi

The fruit of the tree of knowledge is the answers that our subconscious minds hold for us, for within us is a portion of our minds, connected to all, which has the intentions of always remaining true to ourselves. All information we collect from all our senses first gets delivered to the subconscious mind, and what our conscious state of mind can accept is dependent upon if we serve FEAR, which we must to abide by our own dna. Fear is the product of our original sin, the instinct of "Self Preserve", which when broken apart and analyzed means:

Self = Self, me

Pre = Before

Serve = Service, serve, to aid, to help, to assist ....

So, our "programming" for every cell in our body ?? is subservant to "Me before i serve".

When we are free of our fears, and our intentions are true, we see what the bible truly is, a miracle.

When you partake of the fruit of your own neuro-net, after you have "defragged" your mind, like you would a computer, and have become conscious enough to re-sequence your own dna, resolving your fear, everything becomes known to you, but not if you seek it for any foul use.

"i am the word"

"judge not lest thee be judged"

"the meek shall inheret the earth"

"like the mind of a child"

"we currently reside in the dominion of Satan *the dark prince"

Moses replied to a question from Aaron:

" Everything that has ever happened, is happening, or ever will happen is encoded into the Torah"

Does the bible judge?

then apply it's own rules to the word.

Fear and that which it creates cannot approach the God of Truth.

For, how could the omnipotent omnipresent Truth fear itself?

the bible is the key to the code of the bible.

What was The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil , and Why did Adam and Eve hide their genitalia from God after they had eaten from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil ?

because they were in eden

but most people pronounce it edun

so, let us spell it out with the mind of a child:


are we in heaven now? most say no, including the bible.

so, if everything is opposite that of heaven where we are:

edun reversed becomes:


this is why they saw they were naked. because they were the garden, and then they saw they were naked.

But, it works with everything, granted you are not a slave to your own unresolved fears ... .. .

if i had enough love and empathy to put myself into the minds of automobiles, what would i say?

everyone wants to belong, and be accepted for who they are, right?

so do automobiles.

What is the #1 reason the automobiles would not feel like they are accepted, or belong?

they are the #1 reason for air pollution in the world, changing the environment for every living creature on earth.

they would feel guilty, right?

they would say:

"See, i fart"

always blowing fumes out their tail pipe, right?

"See, i fart"

See = C

i = i

fart = fart

c i fart

reverse the sequence of the letters, mirror image:

traf i c


i am not self before i serve, i am service before self, and i
you. For you are the voice of my god, the god of truth.

and without being a servant to lucifer, free from his bonds, what would he say?

"look i fear"

look i fear

("k" makes the same sound as "c")

looc i fer

("oo" makes the same sound as "u")

luc i fer

( there is no "a" sound pronounced in "fear", and also no "a" in "fer", but whose dominion are we currently residing in?)

luc i fer


we need not reverse it, as we are in fear's dominion.

satan is just another name for "hate" which is a by-product of "fear"

and how can one justify their hate for someone without the fear of losing something they love?

This is not only the fruit, not only the tree, not only the garden, not only the arc of the covenant, this is the ultimate seek writ

do not approach the GOD OF TRUTH with fear. Neither fear nor TRUTH can recognise eachother without LOVE.

How could the TRUTH fear the TRUTH?

that is why humanity exists.

To destroy FEAR would be to eliminate LOVE as well, because then Love would have no purpose.

And even love needs to belong and be accepted for who and what it is.

hope this answers your question.

[edit on 18-9-2006 by Esoteric Teacher]

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