The Tree of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil

Like dnero6911, I don't think of it in a sexual term. I never have. The bible simply calls it the tree of knowledge. I doubt Eve's genitilia would be considered as something knowledgeable.
In the bible it says that they were "free" in a sense. They had no regard and they lived without sin. But after eating the "fruit", they immediately felt naked & God knows what else.

I think that Adam & Eve, before eating the "fruit" were innocent. Like all animals. We were no more significatnt than the other animals, however, God saw us as special. Maybe because we were his more complexed creations & designs. I think sin comes in to play with knowledge, knowledge & understanding of what we live. And the way we live. Knowledge of what is wrong & what is not. After eating the "fruit", we became somewhat closer to God, in terms of we now knew & understood certain things. We gained what some might call; common sense and maybe insight.
And a conciounce somewhat. I think that if we hadn't eaten the fruit, we may not have arrived where we are socially & scientifically. But we also wouldn't have the feelings of guilt, or rather, right & wrong. And other pressures of life. Our living habits may be somewhat similar to most animals, to a certain degree i.e, carefree. Hell, we might be able to kill a "loved one" in a battle for food(Or whatever) and may not think twice or feel much guilt(or any at all) about doing it.
Another reason why I don't think that the "fruit" of knowledge was Eve's genitalia, is because Satan came to Eve in the form of a snake, & told her to eat of the fruit. I doubt he was refering to "eating out herself", or "eating" his genitalia.
But I strongly disagree that God would put limits to our sexality, especially if we lived in a "paradise". I doubt oral sex would be terribly offensive in God's eyes.
I could be wrong, but it's just my theory.
The bible is sometimes metaphorical & sometimes literal. These are one of those things that require your judgment on the matter.
But, as proven, alot of the bible is missing. Also, these stories of the bible were not written by the biblical people of the bible, but rather told by Jews years later & was written by other people, hundreds of years later.
Stories change throughout the years & rumors build & twist. But dealing with that particular "story", I have stated my belief.

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Originally posted by helen670
Hi probedbygrays/

The tree of ''The Knowledge Of Good And Evil'', has no sexual conotations.
The Tree in the Garden of Eden......Knowledge of Good and Evil represents Fasting of that particular tree.
Therefore the first people in the Garden were given One Commandement, ''Do not Eat'' Of that tree ......you shall die thereof.

Well........that works if you wanty to go by a literal interpretation. If you want to believe that there was an actual tree and it beared actual fruitl, and that Adam and Eve actually ate from it, then,yeah, that works.

However, if you view much of the bible symbolically, which I do, then your idea really doesn't mesh.

Question: "Why did God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden?"



Answer: God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden to give Adam and Eve a choice – to obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve were free to do anything they wanted, except eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:16-17, “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.’” If God had not given Adam and Eve the choice, they would have essentially been robots, simply doing what they were programmed to do. God created Adam and Eve to be “free” beings, able to make decisions, able to choose between good and evil. In order for Adam and Eve to truly be “free” – they had to have a choice.

www.gotquestions.org...

If god is omnipotence would he not know that adam and eve would eat from the tree after he told them not to? And why would god want to set them up to fail? Why would god say they would die if the ate yet they did not? Again if god is omnipotence why after adam and eve ate from the tree and were hiding in the garden and god was walking through the garden he had to call out for adam to see where he was at.

Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

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Does this sound like an omnipotence god to you?

I also believe the Tree of Knowledge of (Good and) evil, and the Tree of Life are two literal separate plants. I put Good in parentheses because prior to the serpent convincing Eve to partake of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge and her sharing of it with Adam, there was only good in the Garden as far as Adam and Eve were concerned. They were guileless, and had knowledge of Good only.

The reason I believe they are two separate plants has to do with why Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden - "lest they partake also of the Tree of Life, and become as gods themselves." (Genesis 3:22-23)

I disagree that the Tree of Knowledge is Cannabis. I lean more toward it being the opium poppy plant, or Egyptian Nile Lotus, with the Apple being the poppy bulb containing opium itself. The source of "Original Sin."

Cannabis may be the Tree of Life however, I'm not sure. I don't think psychedelic mushrooms are part of the story at that point.

Well it could very well have been the fact we did eat those plants, which could be an organic outpost for inorganic beings, and they could have moved our assemblage point to the place of reason and logic because then we are closer to giving them our energy, without us knowing.

They are attracted to our energy(the inorganic beings) but they like us, because of it, and will do anything for us, give us knowledge and whatever we ask just so we'll feel their 'pull'...

it correlates, its interesting none-the-less... considering specialists in the mycology field have said that 'magic mushrooms' are a most baffling species of mushroom, some have even speculated that the spores came to earth in the form of space-dust.

if your at all interested in understanding some of the terms I used..

look up and read these:
Wikipedia - Nagual
Wikipedia - Carlos Castaneda's 'Learnings, Teachings' An Overview.

Thing is, what it represents is more than just one thing.. it represents a drastic change in the operation of the universe, and our world, when we did eat that fruit... of whatever sorts.

Perhaps these inorganic beings are the angels and demons we've read about... and maybe this change and the eating was brought about or happened because of our change, maybe the mushrooms were the fallen angel, in an organic nature but still being of an inorganic nature able to take us to 'their world' or where-ever they wanted....

We could have all the answers already but have made a disinformitive mess of it.

I have always thought of the Tree of Life as God's holy spirit. If you chose to follow God and have his holy spirit in you, you can have an incredibly happy life. Maybe back then you could have lived forever?

I think the Tree of Good and Evil refers to a knowledge of man's laws. The ways of the flesh. Look at how much our ways have ruined the earth and how many of us ruin our lives because we chose our ways instead.

I dunno, that's my take on things.

the "of Good and Evil" was later added to be more PC, and kind of ease the original purpose.

The original name, "The Tree of Knowledge" was to imply that man's knowledge should come only from God, via the clergy, and was an early way for the clergy to basically make science, witchcraft, etc. a thing of "evil".

Even the original story is meant to convey that because man chose to go outside of the church for knowledge, we are now tainted with original sin, and we now die and are ashamed of nakedness, etc.

It was an early (and successful) tool of controlling the masses, just made more PC by the addition of four little words...

Wasn't Genesis written before the "church"? I don't understand why you say the church made it that way to control.

Originally posted by etshrtslr

Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

God knew where they were physically. He was asking about there spiritual condition(He already knew that too). He was giving them the opportunity to be up front with Him and admit what happened.

Whenever considering what (if any) real meaning behind any Abrahamic religious scripture might exist, I always try to look at parallels which predate them.

I mentioned in the "King Lucifer" thread that Sumerian cosmology holds that one of the Gods, Enlil, was viewed as the king of the other Gods and was responsible for raping the daughter of a human woman. The child born as the result of that rape was named Sin. I've always suspected that this could at least potentially be a probable inspiration for some of the later creation myths regarding the genesis of human sin, as defined today. Enlil was the inventor of agricultural tools, caused the dawn, and caused the growth of plants. His blessing was required in order for cities to be built. Sin was the appointer of human kings and rulers, and was associated with both the heavens and the underworld. An interesting thing to note is that in Sumerian mythology, initially six men were created which were flawed because the Gods creating them feasted and became drunk. The seventh was finally completed, but was unable to eat.

The Baal cycle of Ugarit is even closer to the biblical notion of the serpent and a conflict in primordial times between God and a serpent. It describes the God of heaven as El, and his first son Hadad being the lord of a host of Gods on a holy mountain. There, he battles against Yamm, who is a God appointed as prince and judge over the other Gods. Yamm is associated with a sea serpent and the abyss. Satan comes from a root meaning "accuser" and/or "adversary." That doesn't sound too far off from the prince and judge Yamm, who was God's (Hadad's) adversary and accused (judged) the other Gods.

Looking at these myths and the biblical creation myth we can see definite parallels although they may not be as clear or defined as some would like. In the Sumerian epic Gilgamesh, a tree is described with a serpent having made its nest there.

“After heaven and earth had been separated
and mankind had been created,

after An, Enlil and Ereskigal had taken posesssion
of heaven, earth and the underworld;

after Enki had set sail for the underworld
and the sea ebbed and flowed in honor of its lord;

on this day, a huluppu tree
which had been planted on the banks of the Euphrates
and nourished by its waters
was uprooted by the south wind
and carried away by the Euphrates.

A goddess who was wandering among the banks
siezed the swaying tree
And -- at the behest of Anu and Enlil --
brought it to Inanna's garden in Uruk.

Inanna tended the tree carefully and lovingly
she hoped to have a throne and a bed
made for herself from its wood.
After ten years, the tree had matured.
But in the meantime, she found to her dismay
that her hopes could not be fulfilled.
because during that time
a dragon had built its nest at the foot of the tree
the Zu-bird was raising its young in the crown,
and the demon Lilith had built her house in the middle.”
ccat.sas.upenn.edu...

If we assume that such myths were told orally for extended periods before the written word (which is probable,) then it is at least conceivable that these tales are based on unified, original sources. Whether those sources are literal, fictional, or at all spiritual in nature is up to individual interpretation. Those are my thoughts.

I have read that the first sin was Eve's conception with the Serpent, which created a satanic bloodline, which is apparently covered up. All the illuminati conscious can put this theory into practice I think.

But really the Bible says it as it is no fooling around here, 7 days is 7 the tree is the tree. It only symbolises in Prophecy about the future not the past and its no parable either. Its read one way or its not without having to add too many theories to it.

You could say the apple is a woman’s genital and the snake is a penis and they had sex. So was that the sin? I think not, God wanted man to increase anyway over the earth so it does not make sense. It was as its suggests a sign of freedom for the human species if not we would be angelic in nature but God made us more than angels. He put the tree there to show look I am not hiding the fact more emotions exists outside your state of mind as I know too what sin means. So like God he knows sin like a free standing tree but does not commit it, Adam and Eve see this extra tree that could have more spiritual meaning but have choice to not know of it and listen to God's instructions as a way of trust and love for him.

But apart from eating the fruit it was wrong to disobey God anyway but because they reacted in a way that they were ashamed they kind of thought God was some pervert looking at their genitals all the time. They could not control the other emotions. The worse man inherited and exploited their sinful nature the worse it genetically decreased their perfect bodies until they could only live 120 years. Yes people do live 120 years even today but because we are passing on faulty genes or diseases so we never reach that far but we can. Also climate and vegetation was different also.

Originally posted by The time lord

But really the Bible says it as it is no fooling around here, 7 days is 7 the tree is the tree. It only symbolises in Prophecy about the future not the past and its no parable either. Its read one way or its not without having to add too many theories to it.

actually 7 days is not 7 days. 2 Peter 3:8 says...But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. and according to the bible...it has been 7 thousand years since the creation of man (not the earth)..so that would make us be living in the last day...so people were right for hundreds of years...we have been living in the last days and we are finally in the last day.

Here is what I think

Adam and Eve were living in paradise before they ate the fruit

They probably didn't know unhappiness or happiness itself

Eve was curious about what they were

In order to know happiness, you must know suffering

To know happiness and what it was, Eve ate the fruit.

The eating of the apple in my opinion was a blessing so that we wouldn't be living in a slap happy world.

Eating the fruit off the tree allowed hummanity to gain wisdom. Once again, you cannot know happiness without knowing suffering

Falling from grace in to original sin to me is symbolic of the power we have to choose good or evil.

The prophecy given to us in the bible (especially Genesis, Revelations) can be easily confused and misunderstood.

The tree of life = human evolution
The fruit of the tree = humans
original sin = the time humans realised they were naked... the dawn of civilization...?
Abel = humanities evil side

Originally posted by Techsnow
The prophecy given to us in the bible (especially Genesis, Revelations) can be easily confused and misunderstood.

The tree of life = human evolution
The fruit of the tree = humans
original sin = the time humans realised they were naked... the dawn of civilization...?
Abel = humanities evil side

I find it odd how your not 100% sure of your own explanation...
could you break down and define dawn of civilization? perhaps the day they evented the pencil? or chisle? and realized thats how they conveyed language which we assume they just had, or a means of describing any knowledge.. how did they aquire knowing? reason and logic?
plus your terms are vague and broad at best.. human evolution? which aspect of our evolution? mechanical? spiritual? biological?

The thing is, it represents a shift in awareness...
we've used this one now to destroy... time for a new one...

being naked is just being without that knowledge.. (knowledge of "good and evil")
and it was obvious because our assemblage point moved, and those who can SEE energy can see the assemblage point and when it moves...

Human evolution as in from cro-magnon to homo sapien.
Dawn of civilization as in when we finally started wearing clothes... we realized our nakedness and sin.

Dont believe everything you see, (cover your self, for someone is willing to look)everything has a start, a end and most will decive you to get there "wants" before the "needs".
Tree, male, female...there are three sides to see in(like there are three sides to the stroy, Your side of the story, mine and the truth) the out come is the "friut.(The off spring of your doings.) However what outside force help you make the friut? What "evil" animal or what have you was your guide?
The eating of the friut is the last emotion/somewhat the final out come you get after making of the "friut".
Both have almost the same level of "evil" (eating the friut as it is making the friut).
The tree of life is just that..your life , everything, everything is shown to you and is growning all around you.
Most people like stroys and most will say that the easier it is to understand the faster i can move on to the next stroy. I think we have to many stroys and need to get to the root of our life...tree of life isnt all about sex and the sin.(unless your life moves around that action).

Heres your life, it took more then just you to grow and hurt your self and here is your out come, now I hate to see you eat and run....tell your new friend hi.

The Garden of Eden did and does represent the Church.....Ekklisia(Assembly)
Not an actual Building of some sort, but a gathering of two or more people.
God put Adam and Eve in the Garden and they worshipped Him.
They had everything they needed and were happy.

The Tree represents the Cross of Christ.
Adam......First man created.
Eve ......taken of man, represents Mary, Mother God.(Theotokos)

The Old Testament is essential to knowing the New Testament.

Jesus Christ......Second Adam,To destroy Death by His Love for Man.
Theotokos(Mary, Mother of God)represents Eve..........who freely accepted the Birth of Christ.

SIN.......St. Paul writes, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
We sin when we pervert what God has given us as good, falling short of His purposes for us.
Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1, 2), leaving us spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1).
To save us,
the Son of God assumed our humanity, and being without sin "He condemned sin in the flesh" (Romans 8:3).
In His mercy,
God forgives our sins when we confess them and turn from them, giving us strength to overcome sin in our lives.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (I John 1:9).

Sin entered into the World because of man.
Sin was destroyed by Christ..........The Crucifiction and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Death is no more.

The below quote is another post i posted at...

Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive...
"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?
" The sting of death is sin,
and the power of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God!
He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:20-22 and 55-57).

LINK

helen

Originally posted by Funkydung

Originally posted by The time lord

But really the Bible says it as it is no fooling around here, 7 days is 7 the tree is the tree. It only symbolises in Prophecy about the future not the past and its no parable either. Its read one way or its not without having to add too many theories to it.


actually 7 days is not 7 days. 2 Peter 3:8 says...But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. and according to the bible...it has been 7 thousand years since the creation of man (not the earth)..so that would make us be living in the last day...so people were right for hundreds of years...we have been living in the last days and we are finally in the last day.

Yes I know that too about the 1day is a thousand years. but even so does not mean God is in capable of doing it in 7 days anyway he just has a sense of order.

Also just to add to this God abadonned 35 years of the Jews as not to be inclueded in man's History as it was Insignificant to him. So in theory we have like another 30 years to add, there maybe a bit more I forgot the right number but it makes sense if we are in that period.




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