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CSETI Training in Mt. Shasta, september 2006

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posted on Dec, 19 2006 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by timb3r

If it wasn't random and you could contact/summon UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.

[edit on 12-9-2006 by timb3r]


I still stand by my statment above.



Toc

posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by timb3r

Originally posted by timb3r

If it wasn't random and you could contact/summon UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.

[edit on 12-9-2006 by timb3r]


I still stand by my statment above.


You have to understand, the human kind is making its very first steps in this field. It's like when we started developing the flight. There isn't a full understanding of the process yet, far from it. So much more research has to be done.

Why is there on many occasions non verbal interaction between a craft and a person on ground, or where thoughts would be transmitted somehow to the craft making it move in specific ways.

CSETI has layed out a set of methods that gives good results but that would definitively need more scientific research. A handful of people are doing it, once in a while, with limited resources. This is a slow process that could be easily sped up with proper funding.

This is partly what the CSETI would like to accomplish. Unfortunately, people prefer to offer thousands of $ to polical parties so they can get favors in return, rather that supporting a group like CSETI or the Disclosure Project.


Toc

posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by timb3r

If it wasn't random and you could contact/summon UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.


We have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence. The disclosure project has 450 witnesses willing to testify. Isn't that enough?

Oh wait! Nobody wants to hear them...



posted on Dec, 20 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by timb3r

If it wasn't random and you could contact/summon UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.


The problem with that assumption is that powerful interest are sitting on that technology, keeping it away from Dr Greer and anyone else that would use it to make the world a better place. We aren't going to get these technologies until we become peaceful enough to use them.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by c3hamby


Originally posted by timb3r

If it wasn't random and you could contact/summon UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.


The problem with that assumption is that powerful interest are sitting on that technology, keeping it away from Dr Greer and anyone else that would use it to make the world a better place. We aren't going to get these technologies until we become peaceful enough to use them.


You mistunderstand my point.

From what Toc is saying, Greer can already do this. He can "summon" these things or at least "teach" people to have some sort of ability to allow them to have a personal experience.....it has nothing to with a set of oppressors keeping technology away from anyone. (and that is a different discussion)



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by timb3r



You mistunderstand my point.

From what Toc is saying, Greer can already do this. He can "summon" these things or at least "teach" people to have some sort of ability to allow them to have a personal experience.....it has nothing to with a set of oppressors keeping technology away from anyone. (and that is a different discussion)



No, I understand completely your point.

Greer can initiate contact with ETs.

But that doesn't mean he has anti gravity technology. You can't meditate that into existence. That is what is being suppressed.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Toc
You have to understand, the human kind is making its very first steps in this field. It's like when we started developing the flight. There isn't a full understanding of the process yet, far from it. So much more research has to be done.

Why is there on many occasions non verbal interaction between a craft and a person on ground, or where thoughts would be transmitted somehow to the craft making it move in specific ways.



There is no "field" you speak of Toc, it's something Greer is using leverage on to make money. You are not being taught anything that I couldn't come up with given 12 months or so and trust me, I could quite easily re-create what you experience out in the field.



CSETI has layed out a set of methods that gives good results but that would definitively need more scientific research. A handful of people are doing it, once in a while, with limited resources. This is a slow process that could be easily sped up with proper funding.


I actually agree with you here. On paper, the methods have potential for being scientifically researched. But unfortunately, the moment we have the addition of the telepathic, communication, summoning or anything vaguely spiritual come into play, all that goes out of the window. But I won't tell you can't believe in this, nor be so rude as to state that I know I'm right - this is purely my opinion and I call it as I see it.



This is partly what the CSETI would like to accomplish. Unfortunately, people prefer to offer thousands of $ to polical parties so they can get favors in return, rather that supporting a group like CSETI or the Disclosure Project.


Instead, you - and many others - are paying for this out of your own money. Books, DVD's, CD's, conferences, "training", expeditions and the like. Ufology is no different to any other form of entertainment other than there is some fact thrown into the mix. Everyone has a story to sell. But sifting through the trash is why we have forums like ATS. But as I said before, this is all subject to personal belief and what drives us as individuals and this is merely the corner I sit in.

Lets just say, for example, that tomorrow morning aliens landed in every major city.

How quickly would our "experts" in the field of Ufoloy fade into the background ? No more unknown, no more guesswork and all our questions answered. Suddenly, man has the answers and now he seeks to further that knowledge so a new wave of Ufology experts will fill that gap, writing, speaking and presenting on the new facts that have presented themselves. And the people who currently dominate the field will be exposed for the charlatans/madmen they are.

My 2p.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we are not alone. Infact I'm sure of it. But I just dont buy (no pun intended) into people peddling me a lie.

*slightly drunken post - just come back from a Christmas work do!



[edit on 21-12-2006 by timb3r]



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by c3hamby
No, I understand completely your point.

Greer can initiate contact with ETs.

But that doesn't mean he has anti gravity technology. You can't meditate that into existence. That is what is being suppressed.


I cannot compete with a spiritual person and their beliefs. You have chosen to believe that we, mankind, can initiate contact outside of the scientific realm with ET and whilst I fully respect that, I totally disagree.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by Toc

We have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence. The disclosure project has 450 witnesses willing to testify. Isn't that enough?

Oh wait! Nobody wants to hear them...



Toc, please don't insult my intelligence.

We're not discussing the disclosure project whistleblowers here. We're discussing CSTEI, Greer and a group of people who go to a mountain somewhere and "summon" UFO's - the two are VERY different. Though run by the same person.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by timb3r

We're not discussing the disclosure project whistleblowers here. We're discussing CSTEI, Greer and a group of people who go to a mountain somewhere and "summon" UFO's - the two are VERY different. Though run by the same person.


Help me out here Toc.

Do you agree with the following?

"The speed of light is too slow to communicate across the universe."

In order for communication to be effective and efficient in real time it has to be faster than the speed of light. Otherwise it's going to take at least 1000 years to say hello and hear a response.

That is where meditation and CE5 comes into play.

CSETI is the first to do this on a widespread basis, but there are those who have done covert work inside the government that have discussed similar protocols. Forgive me for not having names, I will try to provide at least one by next Wed after I've had time to dig it up.

Connection of science and spirituality: Watch the DVD 'What the Bleep Do We Know'. This and other resources state that science-specifically quantam physics and spirituality are on the verge of merging.

I challenge you timb3r to try the protocol at home, the one he does on the video. I challenge you to have an open of enough mind to try it. I think I can safely assume you never have.

If you try it and it doesn't work then I'd like to hear about it. But if you haven't tried it, then I don't know what to tell you. I can drive a car and not fully understand how it works and I get to work on time. I can type, and not fully understand how words in my head get to my fingers.

But I can tell you this much, it works.

Merry Christmas.


Toc

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by timb3r

Originally posted by c3hamby


Originally posted by timb3r

If it wasn't random and you could contact/summon UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.


The problem with that assumption is that powerful interest are sitting on that technology, keeping it away from Dr Greer and anyone else that would use it to make the world a better place. We aren't going to get these technologies until we become peaceful enough to use them.


You mistunderstand my point.

From what Toc is saying, Greer can already do this. He can "summon" these things or at least "teach" people to have some sort of ability to allow them to have a personal experience.....it has nothing to with a set of oppressors keeping technology away from anyone. (and that is a different discussion)



Correction. YOU CAN Initiate contact. Everybody can. You are again saying that only a few people have the ability. You're a mistaken. We have that inate ability to bring our mind to re-merge with the quantum field or that unity field also called unbounded consciousness. That's a common safe ground to initiate contact.

But again, you don't even need to do that start working toward making contact. Go out in the field with 3 friends, bring cameras, and observe, 2 or 3 times a week. If you can afford it, bring a powerful laser with you. If you see something that can't be a plane or a satellite or a shooting star, flash it 2 or 3 times and see if it responds back...

Anybody can do that. That's how it all started.


Toc

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by timb3r
There is no "field" you speak of Toc, it's something Greer is using leverage on to make money. You are not being taught anything that I couldn't come up with given 12 months or so and trust me, I could quite easily re-create what you experience out in the field.


I actually agree with you here. On paper, the methods have potential for being scientifically researched. But unfortunately, the moment we have the addition of the telepathic, communication, summoning or anything vaguely spiritual come into play, all that goes out of the window. But I won't tell you can't believe in this, nor be so rude as to state that I know I'm right - this is purely my opinion and I call it as I see it.

Instead, you - and many others - are paying for this out of your own money. Books, DVD's, CD's, conferences, "training", expeditions and the like. Ufology is no different to any other form of entertainment other than there is some fact thrown into the mix. Everyone has a story to sell. But sifting through the trash is why we have forums like ATS. But as I said before, this is all subject to personal belief and what drives us as individuals and this is merely the corner I sit in.

Lets just say, for example, that tomorrow morning aliens landed in every major city.

How quickly would our "experts" in the field of Ufoloy fade into the background ? No more unknown, no more guesswork and all our questions answered. Suddenly, man has the answers and now he seeks to further that knowledge so a new wave of Ufology experts will fill that gap, writing, speaking and presenting on the new facts that have presented themselves. And the people who currently dominate the field will be exposed for the charlatans/madmen they are.

My 2p.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we are not alone. Infact I'm sure of it. But I just dont buy (no pun intended) into people peddling me a lie.

*slightly drunken post - just come back from a Christmas work do!



[edit on 21-12-2006 by timb3r]


Obviously, we have different opinions and it's based on our past experiences and cultural differences. And having this conversation is one step ahead of making progress.

I will never try to convince anyone anymore. I'm passed that. I'll gladly share what I feel right and will let the audience decide what they want to make with what i'm saying.

I consider Steven's work as of the highest importance. That's why I invest my time and money in it. And i think it's important that we follow what our heart says is right.

I was very skeptical myself, a bit like you were too. But I decided to see by myself and live the experience before making any conclusion. I'm glad I particated to that week long training. Best thing to ever happened to me in 35 years.

You haven't met Steven in person, so please refrain from making unjustified claims.

[edit on 23-12-2006 by Toc]


Toc

posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 07:44 AM
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Help me out here Toc.

Do you agree with the following?

"The speed of light is too slow to communicate across the universe."

In order for communication to be effective and efficient in real time it has to be faster than the speed of light. Otherwise it's going to take at least 1000 years to say hello and hear a response.

That is where meditation and CE5 comes into play.

Correct, in fact, there is many methods of meditation that will get you in a state of contact. The way each individual reaches that state is personnal.



CSETI is the first to do this on a widespread basis, but there are those who have done covert work inside the government that have discussed similar protocols. Forgive me for not having names, I will try to provide at least one by next Wed after I've had time to dig it up.

In the 70s, the army had a full department of Remote viewers.



Connection of science and spirituality: Watch the DVD 'What the Bleep Do We Know'. This and other resources state that science-specifically quantum physics and spirituality are on the verge of merging.


Yes, there is still a lot of research to be done in that field too. But it's a solid foundation to understand, there is something very strange happening in the very small particle world.



I challenge you timb3r to try the protocol at home, the one he does on the video. I challenge you to have an open of enough mind to try it. I think I can safely assume you never have.

I agree, one simple thing you can do, is consider the possibility. The moment you consider it, your mind will give one small opening to the idea. And you will eventualy get a crack at what's going out there.


If you try it and it doesn't work then I'd like to hear about it. But if you haven't tried it, then I don't know what to tell you. I can drive a car and not fully understand how it works and I get to work on time. I can type, and not fully understand how words in my head get to my fingers.

But I can tell you this much, it works.

Merry Christmas.


Be safe guys, and have good holidays.



posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 03:56 PM
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McMoneagle

This guy is the guy I was thinking of, and this experiment was in the 1960s. He and many others were able to remote view into Russia and confirm and locate missile sites.

I was checking out his book this weekend, pretty cool stuff.

Now, communication over long distances through the mind is also not a new concept. Remote tribes all over the world have had and continue to have this ability. Just because we no longer exercise that ability does not mean we can't obtain it-however, we sometimes show evidence of this ability, and it has started to show up more since I started practicing Greer's protocol.

For example, the other day, I was thinking of a fellow musician that I hadn't heard from or spoken with in several months. For several minutes I was thinking of this person and music that we had played together on different gigs that we had done. Then, my phone rang, and it was this person asking me to play on a gig.

I have to agree that Dr Greer is not the only one in the world that teaches it, and you don't have to go to his conferences to learn how to do it. If you're at least willing to purchase his most recent 'Hidden' book the whole protocol is there. If you've had any experience with meditation it should come fairly easy for you.


Toc

posted on Dec, 27 2006 @ 10:08 PM
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I have a long list of weird events in the past few months myself. From a down to earth, computer programmer point of view, those are life altering events.

I think it's worth just taking a few days to experiment and just do it for the fun aspect of it. Keeping it fun is what keeps me going in life. Same for most of what drives my life...

This understand of what life is about has obviously important implications. As soon as you find a motivation, I find everything is so much more easy. For me, it's my 2 children and i would like to leave this place thinking the planet will be a nice place to live for them and their children...

Is there something you cherish too that could motivate you?



posted on Dec, 28 2006 @ 02:27 PM
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My motivation is that this is some positive action we can take.

We always whine about the government not disclosing ET info, but this is a way that we can move ahead without their disclosure. We have already entered the instellar age, with or without big brother telling us!


Toc

posted on Dec, 29 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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c3hamby, did you attend to a CSETI training week too?

If not, what got you involved in this research?
And what are your futur plan to get this moving forward?



posted on Dec, 29 2006 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by Toc
c3hamby, did you attend to a CSETI training week too?

If not, what got you involved in this research?
And what are your futur plan to get this moving forward?


I'd like to know what you're doing Toc!

Maybe I can get some ideas of what I can do!

my story:

Friend gave me a couple of near death books, one 'My Descent Into Death', by Howard Storm. Check it out, it almost goes right down the line with Greer.

Then, a friend of mine I respect greatly was introduced to Crop Circles and Greer's tape and she showed me videos on that. That was earlier this year.

I asked to borrow the Greer tape, this is the one from a conference in Santa Fe. It has the sequence for praying with ETs at the end.

More recently I bought Greer's book 'Hidden' and that really blew me away.

One of the common themes that I heard through Storm's and Greer's book(and others) is the idea of the need for more love and the need for spiritual awakening and growth. Storm's book presents a lot of info in addition to that which I think most people in this group would enjoy.

I have a strong feeling of wanting to do something. I look out at the world, and we're all living like everything is ok and it's not. We're burning up our fuel, and the blood of the dead is in our cars, our hands.

I'm praying for complete transformation of our world and our leaders. I'm praying for forgiveness for those who are practicing violence. I'm praying that our country will change direction before it is completely defeated or breaks down, so that we don't have to suffer much before the new age comes in, but I think it may be too late for that. I'm praying for an end to war. I'm praying for direction of what I can do to make this happen.

The Lord's Prayer has that quote 'Your will be done, on heaven as it is on Earth'. I really believe this is what it's talking about.

I want to go to one of these things, I can't afford it now, but I'm looking for my opportunity, but I know someone who is going to Denver to meet with Greer.

More than contacting ETs, I want to do what I can do to make a change. I want to bang pots in the middle of the street and come off looking like a crazed madman to get people's attention. There's got to be something we can do. If we let them drive this thing into the ground, what can I say that I did to make it better? The check engine light is on, but nobody's pulling off the side of the road to deal with the problem.

I wrote my senator, rep, the president, etc...senator wrote back a form letter.

And I got a blog. Some of it is about music stuff, some personal, and some about this stuff. Not getting a lot of hits, just trying to make some noise.

my blog


Toc

posted on Dec, 29 2006 @ 03:13 PM
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That's awesome!!!


I was presented the Disclosure Project video in June 2006 and I was launched...I have to say I was ready to move on to something else. I used to be addicted to massive multiplayer games on the web...evil, evil thing


These are my plans so far, hopefully that will give you a few ideas.

-I'm soon to submit a powerpoint presentation to CSETI to approval.

-Then, i will most likely start presenting that to the public in Ottawa. That presentation is a quick overview of the subject and the result of my trip to Mt Shasta in Septembre.

-I will then work on a translation of that presentation and move to the French Canadian community in my home town and in the region in Quebec Province.

-I'm currently making my presentation to the familly members I have chance to visit or meet.

-I presented my lecture to 15 people in my office. They had various reactions. It was overall satisfying.

-I'm also doing some more research on the subject to try to refine my position. Lots of reading so far and a lot to catch up.

I think for simple man, like you and me, with not much political power, the key is to get people aware of the subject and the importance and implications of it. It's then up to them to see how they want to get involved.

We will eventualy be able to get someone's attention that has more power to make things go forward...I hope...


[edit on 29-12-2006 by Toc]



posted on Dec, 29 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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hey, now that's really cool! I've been telling my my family and friends about this, but sounds like you're getting something really organized. My family and at least one friend now know I'm a loon, but I think what you're doing is the right thing.



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