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CSETI Training in Mt. Shasta, september 2006

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Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 09:35 AM
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Greeting brothers and sisters.

I will reserve a few post here to fill in the details of this amazing expedition to Mt. Shasta, California with Steven Greer and the amazing CSETI team.

This presentation isn't to try to convince you of anything, but just to report what was experienced at the base of that majestic volcano.

I would really appreciate this presentation to stay positive and constructive rather than just pure debunking and crushing.

RiotComming:
What i have learned first is to understand common ground between all beings in the universe is unbounded consciousness. This is a place where we can all meet safely.

We had amazing globes of lights flying above us and from all sides of us many times during the week. None of those were fully materialised due to too much risk to been shot down.(This is what i believe why they never did)

I gave up trying to picture those events cause i just couldn't be fast enough to capture them in time. Most of those major events lasted between 3-6 seconds.
The ones that lasted longer would have required better gear than we had to capture due to distance. I understand that some people are starving for pictures, but i could barely afford the cost of the trip. I'm hoping someday i'll be able to either rent or borrow high quality filming gear for future trips with them.

I'll keep you guys posted with more details soon.

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Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 09:46 AM
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I'd like to spend some time explaining unbounded consciousness here.
Meditation and non-locality.


Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 09:47 AM
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And finaly here, explaining the curent status of CSETI group.
Goal
Training
Financing



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:06 AM
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TOC - With all due respect. I can only speak for myself but I'm not into the spirituality/Meditation aspect of UFO. History is laden with charismatic persons who ask for "Open Minds" while pilfering the contents of "Open Wallets".

Aside from the possible ball lightning sightings, was there any physical evidence presented? Or was this more a mind melding, deep thinking, altered state, philisophical presentation in the stead of true physical presentations.

Thanks in advance



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:14 AM
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Note: please edit your existing post whenever able, in lieu of replying to your own thread numerous times in a row...thanks.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:28 AM
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All that money and you did not meet ET? well, well, well....I don't know...



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:38 AM
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Hey Toc. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain your trip to us. Its one thing to intend to post something before a trip. Its another to come back and do so afterwards. I appreciate it.

edit : Toc, please note, the links you have been posting (outside your signature) are not showing up as links.

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Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:46 AM
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Yeah, once more, i'm not trying to convince people here, but just state what was experienced there. I like to hear from everybody, their views and experience, even more when it's done in a civilised way. Really appreciate the respect you guys bring to this subject. Thanks.

I'll be back later to add more material to this thread.

Ecto: I don't quite know what's wrong with my signature, i can see it just fine when i look at my own post. I can even click on them, and they bring me to the right websites...


Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Note: please edit your existing post whenever able, in lieu of replying to your own thread numerous times in a row...thanks.


I left room for 2 more spot below my post because i have the impression this will grow and grow as i release more experiences. I have seen that people were very interested to hear about the experience, that's why i didn't write everything down at first, then posted the entire presentation at once.


Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
All that money and you did not meet ET? well, well, well....I don't know...


Like i said, the common ground to safe meeting with them doesn't seem to be in physical forms. I have to say, this is the wildest experience i had in my life (been a down to ground computer programmer ) and I totaly understand this is way above some people's head.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:51 AM
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Oh,

I'm sorry TOC. I see what you are doing now.I thought those section headins were meant to be links to web sites. Now I get it. Those are section headings for text you will fill in later. Great! Can't wait to read it.


Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by nullster
TOC - With all due respect. I can only speak for myself but I'm not into the spirituality/Meditation aspect of UFO. History is laden with charismatic persons who ask for "Open Minds" while pilfering the contents of "Open Wallets".

Aside from the possible ball lightning sightings, was there any physical evidence presented? Or was this more a mind melding, deep thinking, altered state, philisophical presentation in the stead of true physical presentations.

Thanks in advance



CSETI is a non-profit organisation. Correct me if i'm wrong guys, i believe you can see reports of how money goes. And i was told that Steven didn't take a salary for this. And if this organisation was a cult, would I have been asked to send more money later?

I got more from this training than 25 years of education in Quebec. I have seen this as an investment into myself and my children and wife. And i sure hope i will be able to apply all of this training to better the life around me, co-workers, friends and family.

Overall, Extremely satisfied with the trip, even if i didn't get any materialised spacecraft.


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posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Toc
I would really appreciate this presentation to stay positive and constructive rather than just pure debunking and crushing.


Leaving debunking out of this discussion will only ensure that this is a bunch of preaching to the choir. And THAT has its place in religion and cults, but not in a search for the truth.

And I'm very sorry you're too poor to buy a camera and provide some photographic evidence. Wouldn't have mattered much anyway, as you later go on to say that these aliens visited you in your head and not "physically". I find that very convenient and entirely unbelievable.


Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 01:49 PM
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We had quite a lot strange lights showing diving not far from the group and above us on many occasions, but this is probably not enough to satisfy most of the people unfortunately. Those lights by their behavior were not meteor, falling stars or planes.

I will most likely go to another training as soon as i can and find a way to setup multiple cameras in circle around the group so i can catch as much as i can.

This training was definitively an introduction.

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posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 02:05 PM
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Is there any way you alone now can summon these UFO's? or can only Greer do this? I tried the meditation technique in his book but no ET showed up. How long does it take?



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 02:23 PM
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Training ?


training  [trey-ning] Pronunciation Key –noun

1. the education, instruction, or discipline of a person or thing that is being trained: He's in training for the Olympics.
2. the status or condition of a person who has been trained: athletes in top training.
–adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or used in or for training: a training manual.
4. intended for use during an introductory, learning, or transitional period: a training cup for weaning a baby; a training bra.


So what exactly are you training in or for ? Surely, it's experiencing, witnessing or embracing, but not exactly what I would call training.

I do hope you don't honestly believe (or are being led to believe) that anything you're being told or shown in some way differentiates you in any other way other than personal experience.

Apologies for focusing on this word, but "training" rings alarm bells and cash registers


Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
Is there any way you alone now can summon these UFO's? or can only Greer do this? I tried the meditation technique in his book but no ET showed up. How long does it take?


That's what the training week was. Forming more people to establish peaceful contact with ETs. In the right circumstances, they could come to a single person wishing to establish contact, if it is safe for them and for you to have such an experience.

CSETI has been doing that kind of contacts for 16 years I believe. The experiences varies between more or less contact, usualy reflecting the state of mind of the participants. Fear of the contact seemed to be the main blocking factor to a more physical contact. I haven't yet tried to reproduce the contact alone or in a group, but will most likely do so in a near future around my town.

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Toc

posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by timb3r
Training ?


training  [trey-ning] Pronunciation Key –noun

1. the education, instruction, or discipline of a person or thing that is being trained: He's in training for the Olympics.
2. the status or condition of a person who has been trained: athletes in top training.
–adjective 3. of, pertaining to, or used in or for training: a training manual.
4. intended for use during an introductory, learning, or transitional period: a training cup for weaning a baby; a training bra.


So what exactly are you training in or for ? Surely, it's experiencing, witnessing or embracing, but not exactly what I would call training.

I do hope you don't honestly believe (or are being led to believe) that anything you're being told or shown in some way differentiates you in any other way other than personal experience.

Apologies for focusing on this word, but "training" rings alarm bells and cash registers



It's alright timb3r. We have been told how to use different protocols, tools and equipment to start contact. I'm not sure if the details of those protocols are under NDA so i won't discuss that here.

I understand some people are very scared of the money issues, (past experience with other groups have had a catastrophic impact on the view we have of other groups with reason) i was at first too. But i have a better understanding on how the money we give the organisation is used now and i'm passed that questioning point.


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posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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The idea of using tools to "summon" or contact UFO's concerns me greatly.

For some reason, I have images in my mind of people in anoraks' standing in the cold with flashlights, holding boxes with flashing lights with makeshift aerials held aloft in the other hand.

I'm sure you understand.

To me, this is the scourge of the UFO community. Where fantasy pretends to be science and all credibility goes out of the window. No one is more skilled at "finding" UFO's than others. By it's nature the phenomena is possibly the most random occurring set of events, recorded by man. (aside from in Mexico, but that's another discussion). If it wasn't random and you could contact UFO's with Stephen Greer leading these events, then he wouldn't need the Disclosure Project as a platform to prove the existence of UFO's as he would have hard recorded verifiable scientific evidence, in many forms.

The idea that someone can teach you how to find or, in this case, summon/contact UFO's reminds me of Victorian mediums preying on the people who wanted to believe.

Please do not think I'm attacking you personally for expressing your experiences whilst on this expedition, but I can't help but feel you have been taken advantage of.



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posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 04:09 PM
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I am asking the question to TUC with an open mind. He spent a lot of money on this trip and he truly believes he saw something. I know there is / has been alien activity on Earth, and I also think there is something in this telepathy thing..



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