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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Really, is the Antichrist to come a mere man?
Also find out what happens to Nimrod when he dies. It is he that becomes Baal the sun god, the false Day Star. Check Nimrod, Baal, Semiramis and Tammuz.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Sure, first this from Wikipedia.
In 539 BC the Neo-Babylonian Empire fell to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia. It is said that Cyrus walked through the gates of Babylon without encountering any resistance. He later issued a decree permitting the exiled Jews to return to their own land, and allowed their temple to be rebuilt.
and this.
The constant turmoil virtually emptied the city of Babylon. A tablet dated 275 BC states that the inhabitants of Babylon were transported to Seleucia, where a palace was built, as well as a temple given the ancient name of E-Saggila. With this deportation, the history of Babylon comes practically to an end, though more than a century later, it was found that sacrifices were still performed in its old sanctuary. By 141 BC, when the Parthian Empire took over the region, Babylon was in complete desolation and obscurity.
A sword did not come against Babylon as prophesied, Cyrus walked in. Babylon was later abandoned.
Originally posted by Sparky63
With all due respect, you have yet to prove this to be true. Speculating on Bible prophesy is both dangerous and deceptive. In order for your statement above to be true, you would have to show that every statement about Ancient Babylon made my Jeremiah, Isaiah & Daniel has its modern day fullfillment in the current situation in Iraq. Can you do so?
For instance, your curious statements about Nimrod. They are vague, at least to me, and his connection to the prophesies in Isaiah has not been clearly explained. Perhaps I missed them in my overly long posts.
Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Really, is the Antichrist to come a mere man?
Also find out what happens to Nimrod when he dies. It is he that becomes Baal the sun god, the false Day Star. Check Nimrod, Baal, Semiramis and Tammuz.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Today nothing remains of Babylon but mounds and ruins, a veritable wasteland.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Really, is the Antichrist to come a mere man?
Also find out what happens to Nimrod when he dies. It is he that becomes Baal the sun god, the false Day Star. Check Nimrod, Baal, Semiramis and Tammuz.
The Babylonians, in their popular religion, supremely worshipped a Goddess Mother and a Son, who was represented in pictures and in images as an infant or child in his mother’s arms . . . From Babylon, this worship of the Mother and the Child spread to the ends of the earth. In Egypt, the Mother and the Child were worshipped under the names of Isis and Osiris. In India, even to this day, as Isi and Iswara; in Asia as Cybele and Deōius; in Pagan Rome, as Fortuna and Jupiter-puer, or Jupiter, the boy; in Greece, as Ceres, the Great Mother, with the babe at her breast, or as Irene, the goddess of Peace, with the boy Plutus in her arms; and even in Thibet, in China, and Japan, the Jesuit missionaries were astonished to find the counterpart of Madonna and her child as devoutly worshipped as in Papal Rome itself; Shing Moo, the Holy Mother in China, being represented with a child in her arms, and a glory around her, exactly as if a Roman Catholic artist had been employed to set her up.
The original of that mother, so widely worshipped, there is reason to believe, was Semiramis, already referred to, who, it is well known, was worshipped by the Babylonians, and other eastern nations, and that under the name of Rhea, the great Goddess “Mother.”
[edit on 14-9-2006 by Sparky63]
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Originally posted by Sparky63
Today nothing remains of Babylon but mounds and ruins, a veritable wasteland.
This prophecy is against the whole land of the Chaldeans.
Also there are people living in Babylon right now. Sadam was rebuinding it.
Isiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Sparky
Find out the origin of the Christmas tree that is spoken of in Jeremiah 10
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I understand what is being taught in Bible schools, it's just wrong.
Originally posted by Sparky63
So does the scripture at Jer 10:3 identify the specific god the idol maker was carving? No.
Isaiah 13:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us
Originally posted by Sparky63
Always back up your claims with sound scriptural proof if you want to speak with authority. By authority, I mean that which comes from the scriptures
To build it an house in the land of Shinar:
Zechariah 5:5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. 6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth. 7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. 8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. 10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? 11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
They cut a tree from the woods and fasten it with nails and a hammer. They decorate it with silver and gold.
They still do this today at Christmas. If you understand the origin, then you should understand this
Isaiah 13:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us
And why was the cedar of Lebanon cut down?
Originally posted by Techsnow
So sparky63, knowing this, tell me what the deal is with Satanists? In your opinion or anyone, what makes them so sure of their beliefs?
And can you shed any light on why Jesus proclaimed himself as the morning star in revelations?
I just can't help but wonder how many vital missing texts there are in the old testament.
Thats actually the reason I don't even like talking about it.. mistranslations, interpretations, missing texts...
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
I provide plenty of proof showing :
Isiah 13 as I posted says the the Medes will come on the Day of the Lord.
This has not happened.
Bagdad is not mentioned in the scripture. Please provide scriptural proof to support your claim that Bagdad will be unihabited.
I showed where Babylon THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS was being judged and not just the city. There are plenty of people living in Bagdad right now. When this prophecy is fulfilled there won't be.
That is mere speculation on your part. You need scriptural proof to firmly establish that current events are the unequivical fullfillment of these prophecies. You have not presented it yet.
I showed where a coalition of nations come from the farthest borders, that just happened.
Since we know that Babylon is not completely destroyed until the DAY OF THE LORD we know that this has not happened by the proof of scripture. Saying that the judgement of Babylon the land of the Chaldeans has already happened is incorrect because by scripture I know that there will not be anyone living in the land.
Originally posted by Sparky63
First of all JEr 10:2 says in part," Do not learn the way of the Nations."
Nations , Plural. What nations? Jer 9:26 identifies those nations as Egypt, Edom, Ammon & Moab. These nations all their own gods. Idols of many different gods could have been carved from a tree and decorated with silver or gold.
What a difference her fall will make! “The whole earth has come to rest, has become free of disturbance. People have become cheerful with joyful cries. Even the juniper trees have also rejoiced at you, the cedars of Lebanon, saying, ‘Ever since you have lain down, no woodcutter comes up against us.’” (Isaiah 14:7, 8)
The kings of the nations round about were, to Babylon’s rulers, like trees to be cut down and used for their own purposes. Well, all of that is finished. The Babylonian woodcutter has cut his last tree!
Originally posted by Sparky63
If so you must consider the context. If you contend that this is modern day Iraq then please explain the modernday fullfillment of Isa 13:19. It says that Babylon is the decoration of kingdoms, the beauty of the pride of the Chaldeans.
Is Babylon today the beauty of the pride of the Chaldeans or is it already a deslolate ruin?
Bagdad is not mentioned in the scripture. Please provide scriptural proof to support your claim that Bagdad will be unihabited.
That is mere speculation on your part. You need scriptural proof to firmly establish that current events are the unequivical fullfillment of these prophecies. You have not presented it yet.
Unless your bizarre reference to Eccl 1:9 had something to do with it.
Bible prophesy usually has a initial fullfilment & a Symbolic one. the initial fullfillment occured in 539 BCE. This involved the geographic region occupied by the Babylolonian Dynasty. the Symbolic fullfillment encompasses something far greater than the nation of Iraq. The Messiahs coming to execute divine judgement on Babylon the Great as referred to in Rev 14:8 Rev 16:19 Rev 17:5 Rev 18:2 & Rev 18:21
Like I said. The Burden of proof is on you to establish that current events in Iraq are the fullfillment of Bible Prophesy. You made the claim. Can you offer more than your own opinions and ideas?