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Originally posted by DodgeG1
I belive that you are correct
But are you then saying that because Lucifer is a King and not Satan, then satan doesn't excist?
Who was it who took Jesus up into the mountains and asked if he worshiped him the whole kingdom would be he's?
2Pet 1:19 (NIV) And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Isa 14:12-15 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.
Originally posted by firebat
I still don't understand. Is it just a comparison that's being made to the actual morning-star, Venus?
Originally posted by firebat
That's what I was asking.
So basically, there is the Morning Star and then there is the morning star?
Originally posted by Techsnow
I should add too that what ever translation you were using is a newer version.
The original Christian versions didn't say "Morning Star", they said "Lucifer".
The reason it was probably translated to "Morning Star" is because it was eventually realized what Lucifer meant.
Originally posted by TJ144
In reality, the quote from Isaiah indeed refers to a king of ancient Babylon, named Helal. He adorned his court and his person with much pomp and circumstance, and he was therefore referred to with words in Hebrew that can be translated as the “morning star” or the “son of the morning.” However, some would prefer the translation the “shining one.”
It is unfortunate that when the ancient Hebrew text was translated into Latin, the translator, St. Jerome, confused the Hebrew expression with the Latin expression of Lucifer, which in Latin means light bearer and was also the name for the planet Venus. This was simply a mistranslation, and I might add that it is far from the only mistranslation in the Bible.
When you recognize this as a mistranslation, you realize that there are no actual references to Lucifer in the entire Bible. The quote from Isaiah is literally the only use of the word Lucifer in the Bible. You therefore see that there is no actual biblical connection between Lucifer and the planet Venus.
Some scholars have correctly pointed out that the use of the word "Lucifer" is a result of a mistranslation. Yet they have used it to reason that there was never a being called Lucifer or that he was an entirely mythological creature. This is incorrect. There was indeed a being named Lucifer (or rather his spiritual name was close to the modern word “Lucifer”). Lucifer was created by God and he had a great spiritual potential. When God creates a being, God names that being according to his or her spiritual potential. Lucifer was given a name that means the one who has the potential to bring light, meaning that Lucifer had the potential to become the one who would awaken human beings to the light within themselves.
Lucifer chose not to fulfill this role, partly because he was not willing to serve human beings, whom he considered to be below him. He wanted to be the one who brought light instead of awakening people to the reality that the light of God is already within them, within this their spiritual selves.