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posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 05:58 AM
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Another point in case of game-playing and politics strtegy rather than actually governing. The newest plan by the Dems to make the war a political game:

www.foxnews.com...

Among other things, the memo recommends that Democrats "prepare to launch an investigation when it becomes clear we have exhausted the opportunity to usefully collaborate with the [Senate] majority. We can pull the trigger on an independent investigation of the administration's use of intelligence at any time but we can only do so once ... the best time would probably be next year."




posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 08:07 AM
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THis is EXACTLY what I have been yelling about for months! These yo-yos SHOULD be passing memos about PLANS and IDEAS that will get America rolling again.

Nope not the Libs! THey are ONLY concerned with keeping the power they have and attaining the Whitehouse again PERIOD.

Pitiful.


Your signature is quite "telling"


PEACE...
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posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 08:29 AM
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I hope to eventually get an answer out of some our Republican members as I have asked this before and everyone ducks my questions. Why is it that you fly off the handle when the Lib-Dems lump you all together but it is fine and dandy that you do the same thing to moderate left leaners (like me). I try to stay out these pissing matches cause all they do shorten ones life by rasing the bloodpressure but it gets a tad annoying hearing us all lumped into the same "pink-o commie" category. I believe in welfare as a helping hand not a hand out, it should not be indefinite. I believe in fiscal responsiblity (i.e. if you need 87 billion to fund Iraq fine but rollback some of the HUGE corporate tax breaks to fund it), I believe that what the hell you do in your bedroom is your business period. Moments of silence in a school should be up to the individual school districts and not the feds, as well as Under God in the pledge. Gay unions should be recognized (not marriage mind you as that is a RELIGIOUS right not a legal one). Late term abortion should be illegal, but a woman's right to choose should stay intact (I am a firm believer in the quickening cutoff). However, if a woman is found to be using abortion as a form of birthcontrol that person should be punished (i.e. has multiple, multiple abortions). I also am against the death penalty. The killing of a perp should not rest on the collective conscious of the state. If someone raped or killed or molested my son or wife, so not doubt that that person would be dead, but I would do it myself I am not a wuss who thinks the state should do it for me.
So you see, I am not a pink-o.
I mean, our leadership is #ed up sure, but who's is not? The Republicans are on the rise now, not because of such massive support and devotion from the populous as much as far better organization, fundraising and spending. They simply manage to motivate their members to go out and vote.
This stems from Texas' sea change in the 1980's from a liberal democratic stronghold to the conservatives taking over and finally (and this is where the organizational skills come in) when the Christian coalition stormed the party and got rid of the intelligentsia of the Republican party. The CC is insanely organized on the local level; hence the rest of the Southern Uber-religious conservative republicans were able to take over.

I bet I get slammed by both sides for this one.


[Edited on 5-11-2003 by observer]



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 11:25 AM
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Observer, I was not referring to the rank and file Dems in reference to this scandal. It is not your fault that the dem. politicians are more interested in politics and gaining power thanthey are what is good for the country. It is not your doing or fault.

The conservative movement is not so much as result of money-spending as it is the political climate of the recent past swinging too far to the left. The unconstitutional social reengineering, political correctness, judicial activism (not to mention the democrats in congress blocking any nomination other than a democratic judicial activist), anti-Christian and anti-family moves has sickened many people. The majority of Americans do not adhere to the society destroying doctrine that has taken over the Democratic party. The Christian Coalition (which, by the way, has not been a player for quite some time) did not destroy the intelligencia of the RNC, nor did it cause them to leave. The Christian Coalition's goals are not destructive to the nation, but are in keeping with the original intentions of the Founding Fathers, for the most part. The DNC, on the other hand, has been more interested in undermining the family, destroying the moral base of the nation which has kept it strong, is trying to remove the God of our forefathers, the One that has been recognized since the beginning of this nation, and is trying to change the economic structure to match those of failing socialistic nations. These are the things that is destroying the DNC, not my conservative Christian values, which are IAW how things ought to be if one would like to be in keeping with the origins of this nation.

Reardless, the Democratic party is more interested in obstructism and politics than it is in doing the will of the people and governing the country properly. This is a shame, since there is no decent party anywhere anymore. The Dems are, as a party, too far left, and the Reps, as a party, talk conservatism and constitution, but do little in setting us back on the correct course, and neither are worth a hill of beans at communicating what needs to be done to the citizenry.



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 11:28 AM
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Everything in FOX news is a lie slanted towards the right. I stopped watching the propoganda network years ago. Lots of flash and no substance.



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 11:40 AM
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Which brings up another point to consider, Observer, when considering the problem with the left-agenda.

The reason why Fox News is taking so many viewers away from CNN, CBS, NBC, etc., is because the left has dominated all the information received by the public for so many years. Information has been either censored, twisted or exaggerated for so long, the public jumped at the opportunity to hear another side. The slant has been absolutely sickening, but as they answered to nobody and we had no choice, it did not matter. As we speak, the big wheels are trying to figure out a way to muzzle the conservative-dominated talk radio. We, as citizens, have made a choice, and it is conservative talk. This disturbs the elitists that think they should control what we hear and discuss.

Another glaring example of the left, this time in the centers for "higher learning". You dare not speak of morality or of God in the hallowed halls, but click through here and see what is allowed:
www.massnews.com...

There is a major agenda to destroy the social fabric of this nation, thereby destroying the nation itself. Those who are trying to do this have found a home in the Democratic party.



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Which brings up another point to consider, Observer, when considering the problem with the left-agenda.

The reason why Fox News is taking so many viewers away from CNN, CBS, NBC, etc., is because the left has dominated all the information received by the public for so many years. Information has been either censored, twisted or exaggerated for so long, the public jumped at the opportunity to hear another side. The slant has been absolutely sickening, but as they answered to nobody and we had no choice, it did not matter. As we speak, the big wheels are trying to figure out a way to muzzle the conservative-dominated talk radio. We, as citizens, have made a choice, and it is conservative talk. This disturbs the elitists that think they should control what we hear and discuss.

Another glaring example of the left, this time in the centers for "higher learning". You dare not speak of morality or of God in the hallowed halls, but click through here and see what is allowed:
www.massnews.com...



There is a major agenda to destroy the social fabric of this nation, thereby destroying the nation itself. Those who are trying to do this have found a home in the Democratic party.


This is a blanket bald faced lie. Left wing media? What's that? When Clinton was president and Gore was running for president. The ENTIRE media tarnished them---from Fox News to the Washington Post (and these guys did good for the country).

Yet, when Bush lies daily---from his criminal record and insider trading to his tax cut lies, lies on Iraq, and other political lies, no one says ANYTHING.

I have to find independent media or foreign news to find the TRUTH.


[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Colonel]



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 12:04 PM
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Maybe so..but the left media tried to focus the crap on relatively innocent tabloid fluff (sleeping with interns) rather than political misdeeds, such as Whitewater, or the trail of mysterious deaths that lead to the Clinton presidency....



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Maybe so..but the left media tried to focus the crap on relatively innocent tabloid fluff (sleeping with interns) rather than political misdeeds, such as Whitewater, or the trail of mysterious deaths that lead to the Clinton presidency....


This is patently ridiculous. Why would the "Left" attack their own man? Attack him on an affair so much so as to almost bring down his presidency?

Furthermore, Whitewater and the "mysterious deaths" were evil schemes created by the rabid frothing right wing machine. Read David Brock's (a former republican)book, "Blinded by the Right."

He's the one who came up with the term, "A little nutty and a little slutty," for Anita Hill---WHEN HE KNEW SHE WASN'T LYING! That's what repugnants do!

[Edited on 5-11-2003 by Colonel]



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 01:41 PM
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republicans are the reason this country is falling apart



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Which brings up another point to consider, Observer, when considering the problem with the left-agenda.

The reason why Fox News is taking so many viewers away from CNN, CBS, NBC, etc., is because the left has dominated all the information received by the public for so many years. Information has been either censored, twisted or exaggerated for so long, the public jumped at the opportunity to hear another side. The slant has been absolutely sickening, but as they answered to nobody and we had no choice, it did not matter. As we speak, the big wheels are trying to figure out a way to muzzle the conservative-dominated talk radio. We, as citizens, have made a choice, and it is conservative talk. This disturbs the elitists that think they should control what we hear and discuss.

Another glaring example of the left, this time in the centers for "higher learning". You dare not speak of morality or of God in the hallowed halls, but click through here and see what is allowed:
www.massnews.com...

There is a major agenda to destroy the social fabric of this nation, thereby destroying the nation itself. Those who are trying to do this have found a home in the Democratic party.


I have to ask this, which founding fathers were fundamentalist Christians? Jefferson (the deist), Madison (the lip service Christian), Franklin (the deist), Adams was the only really staunch christian in the lot. So I wonder where any of these men ACTUALLY said, "This country will be a christian country." Were these men biggots (by our standards yes) were they great thinkers, definitely, were they trying to create a Christian nation? Uh, no. Winthrop (John) the puritan preacher was the "city on the hill" guy, not our founding fathers.
I would also ask how I'm destroyin the moral fabric of our nation. I'm a pretty intelligent guy who was raised with morals and values, I even go to church every week if you can believe that. So how am I plowing the US with salt?
I have to agree with most of Col's post regarding the media thing. I don't see any of the major outets falling over themselves to hold up the Dems, I do however see them burying the CIA leak story (how did this die so fast when Clinton's sexual escapades did not?), the damning Kay report is nowhere to be seen, or the Saudi pages of the 9/11 report, or something that should have been around for awhile like an exit strategy from Iraq. These things which seem important to me at least seem ignored. How is this the proof of a left wing media?



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 08:36 PM
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Observer, I've been all over this topic just like scum on a Louisiana swamp in previous threads.

Tom Jef, who has been labelled a Diest by those who want to attack our country's heritage, called for the spreading of the Gospel to the heathen (Native Americans), and expected each student of the in university to attend church services of their particular denomination. Jefferson said himself that he was a Christian, "...a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus".

Patrick Henry said that America was not founded by religionists, but by Christians.

Ben Franklin said the only way this experiment in society would suceed was with Judeo-Christian morals, ethics and principles.

George Washington spent as much time on his knees in prayer than he did on horseback leading troops, and his faith in Christ is never questioned by anyone who has studied history to any extent.

Alexander Hamilton, co-author of the Federalist Papers, helped form the Christian Constitutional Society.

James Madison, also co-author of the Federalist Papers, was a commited Christian.

John Jay, the last co-author of the Federalist Papers, first chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, said in 1816, "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privelege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

John Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." He didn't mean that Christians aren't sinners, but that the society needed religious and moral standards to maintain free society.

I could continue for pages and pages, but I've made my point. These are not the words of anti-Christians at all, and even the Declaration of Independance clarifies where humans get their liberties, and why government should not repress them.



posted on Nov, 5 2003 @ 08:48 PM
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I'll concede the point about our religous foundation.
Would you mind fielding he rest of my questions regarding the "let wing" media?
I am not being a smart ass here I really want to hear the uber conservatives arguements on this.

You happen to be the only nice conservative I have ever conversed with, most of my fellow grad students are consevatives that just yell "pink-o faggot" at you every time you try to argue a point.



posted on Nov, 6 2003 @ 05:55 AM
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Well, thank you, Observer. Your college buddies are venting at the wrong man. They need to be reminded of the fact thqt the media has been controlled by the left for decades, the school systems have been controlled by the left for decades, and the truth has been buried for decades. I have a better question to ask those guys, why are they conservative? What is it about conservatism that they think they understand and like? The reason why I say this is becausewe have been so far away from how the nation was supposed to be, few people still understand how that was. So, are they conservatives, or are they right-wingers? The two are not the same. Right-wingers can be dangerous.

I'll finish as you asked tonight. Now, I have to jump into the red rocket and head to work. My favorite part of the day is the drive to work.



posted on Nov, 6 2003 @ 11:40 AM
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Lunchtime. I can continue a bit.

Again, observer, you are not the ruination of the nation. I highly doubt you even agree with everything the liberal agenda has in store. So let me direct this toward the liberal agenda.

There is a multifaceted attack on the nation. Much of it is a cultural attack, aimed at eroding the foundation of the nation. The intention is to destroy the solid moral foundation and replace it with a shifting, human-created set of guidelines, based more upon human desires and human pleasure. Take a look at the link I provided a couple posts ago. I do not imagine you think that is the proper way for the school administration to be, nor the students. Glorifying infanticide and ridiculing Christ? That is only one example of the perversion that is happening. The establishment, through the centers for higher education, news outlets and viewing entertainment, are all aloowed to view the religious foundation of this nation with open disdain, yet at the same time demand nothing less than glowing approval, or at least total tolerance of every other faith or religion.

Ever since Cronkite came out against the Vietnam war and started mixing personal feelings with news reporting, the news media changed, and has gotten worse ever since. The liberal mainstream news outlets are totally and obviously canted to the left, not by what they report and how they report, but what they fail to report. The news management people are unabashed liberal elitists. These same people here at this site who lament Fox news' conservative biase (which it has become, although it began as presenting the news in a nonbiased way. They are now catering to the conservative mainstream. I do not feel this is good, either, as I want the facts, just the facts) have to squint really hard before they can say they do not see the glaring bias the rest of us have had to deal with for years.

The major news media aren't holding up any dems right now because they have none that they can sell to us. This is a pathetic election year, I'd say. But they are quick to throw rocks at Bush, spinning everything from the economy to the war against terror against him. Down through the last couple years, I've gotten disgusted with there lack of followup coverage. The fact that the economy is rebounding after the tax cuts, just like we knew would happen, kills them, and it is very evident.

Time's up. Must get off the computer or rune the risk of being terminated!



posted on Nov, 6 2003 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by observer
I hope to eventually get an answer out of some our Republican members as I have asked this before and everyone ducks my questions. ....
[Edited on 5-11-2003 by observer]


So this is what I look like in the mirror. Can we go with my avatar instead, though?

[Edited on 6-11-2003 by Thomas Crowne]



posted on Nov, 6 2003 @ 01:18 PM
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So this is what I look like in the mirror. Can we go with my avatar instead, though?


What? You don't like Salmon P. Chase? He rocks!



posted on Nov, 6 2003 @ 01:42 PM
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I always thought that a picture of Harrison.

On thread:
Strategy being employed by the Dems, so what?
There has been nothing but a full frontal & flanking offensive waged against the opposition by the Bush Militia, that sprang from the Trojan Horse of post 9/11 cooperation....the Dems did their part and all it did was, well , you know your epic legends of wooden horses.



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