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Greer says tha the Grays are not aliens, they are a biological experiment.

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posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 12:09 PM
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we're actually classed as devils by some religious extremists. Religions class things as devils which don't fit into their narrow band of thought or belief. So they classified all beings from other dimensions as demons and killed anyone that was in contact with them. So any being at all that shows itself is instantly classified as a demon. The beings on other dimensions know they are thought of as demons and purposefully use that belief to control societies. However Christ taught about the power of love and if folks used love instead of hate and fear to face the beings from other dimensions then they would find that the beings are not actually demons, they are just different. Wild animals flee from humans in fear even though we are not all dangerous, and humans are scared of beings from other dimensions even though they are not really dangerous either. But we should have a healthy respect for them because they do not think or act like we do and our perceptions of reality are quite different.



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posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Cabanman
Apparently Dr. Greer whas a guest on the Coasttocoast radio show. In the writen sumary of the show, it says that the grays are not real aliens but a biological experiment by the US. who abduct people for disinformation porpuses. What do you guys think?
See article here
[edit on 11-9-2006 by Cabanman]


Yep, this would fit perfectly into the cabal group agenda. Once you understand the motivations, everything starts to fall into places in the big scheme.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 01:27 PM
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To me, this topic seems like a polynomial hypothetical. I'll stick with linear factors until I see some evidence.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
To me, this topic seems like a polynomial hypothetical. I'll stick with linear factors until I see some evidence.


Would you care to expand on a polynomial hypothetical and how it differentiates from the linear factors which you are sticking with?

Curious minds want to know.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWay
The aliens are nothing but demons. Which is why they lie so much, and hurt people so much, and terrify people so much. It is also why they run as soon as we call on Jesus Christ.


Prove to all of us here that aliens are demons. Where's the evidence??. Oh, don't go quoting the Bible, because that is not evidence. It's nothing more than anecdote and speculation based on a primitive tribal belief system. You give us hard evidence that aliens are demons and we might consider accepting your POV.

I can prove the non existence of Jesus Christ easier than you can prove your hypothesis. Jesus Christ is a made up name.......there was never anyone named that. It's Greek in origin...... and from the 2nd Century, too boot.

Now, you tell me what his actual name was.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 08:45 PM
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this is a good website for answering tons of questions like these.

www.bibleufo.com...



This work presents over 1000 verses from the King James Bible showing the relationship of the divine beings of the Bible to flying vehicles and advanced technology. Scripture is clear that Jesus will be seen, and should be watched for, coming in the sky. Proponents of the “Evil UFO” concept use a variety of tactics including a few verses that vaguely imply a connection with Satan and aerial activity present the concept that Satan is behind the UFO phenomenon


[edit on 12-9-2006 by Funkydung]



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Funkydung
this is a good website for answering tons of questions like these.

www.bibleufo.com...


Too much to read in one session, but I'll go through it as a matter of course. Thanks.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by GhostITM

Who's this supposed "top scientist"??. I'm also from Australia, and I've never, ever seen a top physicist of any kind on TV, radio, newspapers or in any other media state that he had been co-opted by the US into reverse engineering alien disks, or any other alien artifact.



well i've been searching google with all the key words I can think of and I can't find his site yet. I first found it when I saw a link about how ufos fly. I clicked on that link and it was a message board with an extract and link from the physicist's website. I went to the site and saw that it was the same guy that had been on tv all those years. It had incredibly complex diagrams of flying saucer propulsion systems and explanations written with words that were beyond my understanding. His students had also written various articles there so he is well known in some circle somewhere? I just thought he must be well known and I didn't save the web address because I thought google would bring it up easily anytime I wanted to find it. But after hours of google searching all I can find is the usual total ignorance being propounded by the mainstream which knows nothing. So I'm at a loss?

I'll keep it on my mind though and sooner or later I'll find it again and post the link or start a thread about it



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 09:46 AM
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by GhostITM
Prove to all of us here that aliens are demons. Where's the evidence??. Oh, don't go quoting the Bible, because that is not evidence. It's nothing more than anecdote and speculation based on a primitive tribal belief system. You give us hard evidence that aliens are demons and we might consider accepting your POV.

I can prove the non existence of Jesus Christ easier than you can prove your hypothesis. Jesus Christ is a made up name.......there was never anyone named that. It's Greek in origin...... and from the 2nd Century, too boot.

Now, you tell me what his actual name was.




(Mod Edit to remove personal insult). I have never heard such a rediculous claim, and its completely pathetic. The Bible is a proven truth as being a record of human history. There are direct links to the aliens being controlled by Satan, on an agenda to make people think the way you do. You are a product of the devils plan to ruin Gods plan and your words and attitude prove it.
Is it so hard to look at the facts and come to an intelligent conclusion? Out of all the billions of dollars spent searching the sky for a sign or a signal from another intelligent life form, NOTHING HAS BEEN HEARD. There is no scientific proof AT ALL that anything besides humans live in all of space. Yet they have been flying in our skies and abducting human beings for thousands of years?
The Bible has accounts of beings from the stars taking human wives and hybrids walking amonst humans. Exactly what is going on today, correct?
These beings at that time were connected by Jesus Christ as being controlled by Satan. The ancient god of the air Baal who was worshiped by many many people was called out as being Satan. Baal got his power and respect from the UFO's that the people saw in the sky.
I personaly have no memories of being abducted by aliens but I have encountered spirits and demons, demons wich can take any form they choose and have any influence on a weak mind that they want to. So why would demons want to fly around in UFO's? Why would a demon want to look like a grey? Why would they take people to other 'planets' and show them wonders beyond our world?
Because for every person who believes in aliens thats most likely another person who wont believe in God. To turn the world against its creator you show them something else that contradicts their creator. Its that simple.

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Applied warn for personal attack re: T&C rule...
2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

You have a U2U

[edit on 13-9-2006 by masqua]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by m3gaman

(Mod Edit to remove personal insult). I have never heard such a rediculous claim, and its completely pathetic. The Bible is a proven truth as being a record of human history. There are direct links to the aliens being controlled by Satan,


The trouble with The Bible is that it has been edited. Many books were deleted from it so as to create a particular view that the authorities wanted to impress upon the people. In other words it's man made and corrupted. It's like having a small group of people switching off the web so that no one can write anything anymore, and then systematically going through every page on the web and deleting everything they don't agree with. Creating their own narrow view of things and enforcing their view with force, banning anyone from writing anything to the contrary. That's the whole problem with religions. They are made by narrow closed minds that think they know it all. But they know didly squat actually. They get lots of followers but so did hitler.

The aliens told me they are the Christ. I asked for a sign and the sky exploded with thunder and lightning instantly. I said proof of God cannot exist so they instantly brought a cigar ufo which appeared on the news that night. They show me beautiful crucifixes all the time and tell me that we should follow Jesus' example in life. They appeared as The Virgin Mary to show me that they use that form to inspire people. In short they are responsible for creating religions. Jesus taught the philosophy of Enoch, and if you study alien abductions you will see that Enoch was simply abducted and taken to other dimensions like the abductees today are. God himself is described as a person who clones bodies by taking bits from one body to make another. To separate modern day aliens and call them demons is a narrow closed minded view. It's not as simple as that I'm afraid.

What is actually happening is the aliens are using good and evil to paint a picture on the earth. They are above the duality but we are not. They create religious experiences as well as demonic experiences to manipulate the human herds, to guide our spirits.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by m3gaman

I have never heard such a rediculous claim, and its completely pathetic. The Bible is a proven truth as being a record of human history. There are direct links to the aliens being controlled by Satan, on an agenda to make people think the way you do. You are a product of the devils plan to ruin Gods plan and your words and attitude prove it.



ill have to agree with this to the T. im not quite as upset about it as you seem to be...i am upset that more people dont see this, but i realize that thousands of years of deception can take its toll. i also agree that RELIGION and its system has been tampering with the bible for centuries..that is obviously the work of the antichrist. the bible has pretty much stayed the same but the teaching of it have been twisted. the bible isnt the problem its religion.

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[edit on 13-9-2006 by masqua]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by GhostITM
Prove to all of us here that aliens are demons. Where's the evidence??. Oh, don't go quoting the Bible, because that is not evidence. It's nothing more than anecdote and speculation based on a primitive tribal belief system. You give us hard evidence that aliens are demons and we might consider accepting your POV.


This easy to do.

There are no other creatures that fit the description of demons in the precise way that the "aliens" do. If something walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.

These aliens lie like demons. They impart all kinds of false predictions to their abductees which never happen....like they did with Nancy Lieder about Planet X which was supposed to have passed close to Earth about three years ago. Never happened.

They repeatedly humiliate their abductees by making promises about massive ufo fleets that will fly over an area by a certain date to let people know that they are here, but the date comes and goes with nothing flying over except perhaps a crow or two or a few pigeons. LOL!

The aliens also torture their abductees under the pretence of "examinations." They never use any kind of anesthetic to spare their abductees from their excruciatingly painful exams. So we can certainly say they cause harm like demons.

The aliens terrify people like demons which is clear from the abductees' terrible emotional distress when they are hypnotically regressed to the time of their abduction.

The aliens have preternatural abilities like demons which they use in evil ways to intrude into people's homes in the middle of the night, and then paralyze and abduct them.

To sum it up: ALIENS = EVIL = DEMONS



[edit on 13-9-2006 by SkyWay]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by m3gaman

(Mod Edit to remove personal insult). I have never heard such a rediculous claim, and its completely pathetic. The Bible is a proven truth as being a record of human history. There are direct links to the aliens being controlled by Satan, on an agenda to make people think the way you do. You are a product of the devils plan to ruin Gods plan and your words and attitude prove it.
Is it so hard to look at the facts and come to an intelligent conclusion? Out of all the billions of dollars spent searching the sky for a sign or a signal from another intelligent life form, NOTHING HAS BEEN HEARD. There is no scientific proof AT ALL that anything besides humans live in all of space. Yet they have been flying in our skies and abducting human beings for thousands of years?
The Bible has accounts of beings from the stars taking human wives and hybrids walking amonst humans. Exactly what is going on today, correct?
These beings at that time were connected by Jesus Christ as being controlled by Satan. The ancient god of the air Baal who was worshiped by many many people was called out as being Satan. Baal got his power and respect from the UFO's that the people saw in the sky.
I personaly have no memories of being abducted by aliens but I have encountered spirits and demons, demons wich can take any form they choose and have any influence on a weak mind that they want to. So why would demons want to fly around in UFO's? Why would a demon want to look like a grey? Why would they take people to other 'planets' and show them wonders beyond our world?
Because for every person who believes in aliens thats most likely another person who wont believe in God. To turn the world against its creator you show them something else that contradicts their creator. Its that simple.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mod Edit - fixed quote

Applied warn for personal attack re: T&C rule...
2) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

You have a U2U

[edit on 13-9-2006 by masqua]


Thank you, Mr Moderator.

Your belief in the Bible is just as crackpot as any that may come from people who say they've experienced long term communications with alien entities. You have no proof whatsoever of any interactions between yourself and your so called "spirits and demons". Where is your hard evidence. We all want to see it. You can't prove them scientifically, and you can't prove them logically on a philosophical basis. All you can do is just spout a lot of inconsequential and unproven nonsense. You actually twist what is written in the Bible to suit your own belief in what you think you've been exposed to. You obviously have no real knowledge of the Bible or its history, except what you've been spoonfeed. People who think like yourself act on blind faith in their beliefs and it's patently obvious here. Blind Faith, in anything, is the domain of fools.

Quite frankly arguing with the likes of you is a rather pointless exercise because no matter how much anyone tries to point you in the right direction, you can't see the forest for the trees. You don't want to. Your narrow mindedness blinds you to the greater truth of reality. Oh, BTW, God does exist, but to try and explain to you how you can see this is a waste of time. You wouldn't understand even if I tried to explain to you in simple terms. You're not ready for it. You have a lot of growing up to do.

(No offence to those who have seen aliens..... I was using that as a point of argument to show this person up).


[edit on 13-9-2006 by GhostITM]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWay

Originally posted by GhostITM
Prove to all of us here that aliens are demons. Where's the evidence??. Oh, don't go quoting the Bible, because that is not evidence. It's nothing more than anecdote and speculation based on a primitive tribal belief system. You give us hard evidence that aliens are demons and we might consider accepting your POV.


This easy to do.

There are no other creatures that fit the description of demons in the precise way that the "aliens" do. If something walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.

These aliens lie like demons. They impart all kinds of false predictions to their abductees which never happen....like they did with Nancy Lieder about Planet X which was supposed to have passed close to Earth about three years ago. Never happened.

They repeatedly humiliate their abductees by making promises about massive ufo fleets that will fly over an area by a certain date to let people know that they are here, but the date comes and goes with nothing flying over except perhaps a crow or two or a few pigeons. LOL!

The aliens also torture their abductees under the pretence of "examinations." They never use any kind of anesthetic to spare their abductees from their excruciatingly painful exams. So we can certainly say they cause harm like demons.

The aliens terrify people like demons which is clear from the abductees' terrible emotional distress when they are hypnotically regressed to the time of their abduction.

The aliens have preternatural abilities like demons which they use in evil ways to intrude into people's homes in the middle of the night, and then paralyze and abduct them.

To sum it up: ALIENS = EVIL = DEMONS



[edit on 13-9-2006 by SkyWay]


You still haven't given any hard evidence to prove your point. All you have done is quoted from the beliefs and said experiences of people who claim to have these things happen to them........ without producing any hard evidence themselves.

Using speculative narrative and anecdote to try and prove what is nothing more than your own speculative narrative and dubious anecdote just doesn't work. You can't use a lie to back up a lie and call it the truth. A lie is a lie...... pure and simple. It's the same with your assumptions in your post. An assumption is an assumption. You have no basis whatsoever in then turning around and calling it self evident truth. It's not.

Your opening line "It's easy to do" only goes to show just how little you actually really know about the subject, except what you see through your own biased filter on reality. One, I may add, which is a subsequence of blind faith and dogmatic acceptance of religious ideology. Unfortunately it would be almost impossible for you to see things otherwise, because you've been inculcated and brainwashed from the time you were a small child into thinking the way you do. That's how blind faith in a religion works......and how all of the dominant faiths work to gather their followers.

It's not easy to explain these things (aliens and their existence), because the whole subject is very complicated and requires a substantial knowledge of both science and philosophy to really come to grips with the matter. Not just the passionate beliefs or alleged experiences of those that say they've interacted with them.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Funkydung

Originally posted by m3gaman

I have never heard such a rediculous claim, and its completely pathetic. The Bible is a proven truth as being a record of human history. There are direct links to the aliens being controlled by Satan, on an agenda to make people think the way you do. You are a product of the devils plan to ruin Gods plan and your words and attitude prove it.



ill have to agree with this to the T. im not quite as upset about it as you seem to be...i am upset that more people dont see this, but i realize that thousands of years of deception can take its toll. i also agree that RELIGION and its system has been tampering with the bible for centuries..that is obviously the work of the antichrist. the bible has pretty much stayed the same but the teaching of it have been twisted. the bible isnt the problem its religion.

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[edit on 13-9-2006 by masqua]


My claim that Jesus Christ never existed........... there was no one, anywhere in recorded history that went by that name. It's a Greek derivation and came around in the 2nd Century (or thereabouts..... maybe late 1st Century but no earlier than that). Christos, which is the actual Greek, just means "the annointed". It's basically the same as messiah, which is the Hebrew for "the annointed one" (messach).

Jesus' actual name was Yeshua ben Yusef....... his actual name is Joshua when translated into English. That's the Hebrew version......in Aramaic it's Issa bin Yusef, which is basically the same.

That's why people who have narrow and dogmatic views like m3gaman and skyway, and others who are like them, get all high and mighty when people who actually know something about their religion's history and ideology, come out and say the things I did. They don't know what they're on about, don't know enough to counter the arguments made and get offensive and sometimes nasty to try and cover up their own ignorance.

I've encountered numerous people like them in many arguments before. Not just on this particular subject either. The problem with humouring them is that they then think they've got it right, and start to believe in the falsity of their assumptions. Problem is, trying to explain anything to them which challenges their notions of reality is like belting your head up against a brick wall. They don't want to know, but fortunately for them (unfortunately from their POV) they'll have to confront their self imposed ignorance soon enough. That day will be a hard lesson for them.


[edit on 13-9-2006 by GhostITM]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:45 PM
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I'm fairly certain that the topic of this thread is Dr. Greer and the idea that aliens are actually not from outer space, but earthbound experiments. So I'm wondering how we could steer this away from religion a bit and stick to the science-based biological experiments instead?

Not criticising here...just saying.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:50 PM
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Still sounds like genesis 6 and the land of the cainites with giants, just now they are greys. Its all about biological experiments beween the spirit world and humans. Its an old story nothing new people have know about this since Noah's times. Could be an Angelic Satanic government conspiracy as the Giants could not rebreed also.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by masqua
I'm fairly certain that the topic of this thread is Dr. Greer and the idea that aliens are actually not from outer space, but earthbound experiments. So I'm wondering how we could steer this away from religion a bit and stick to the science-based biological experiments instead?

Not criticising here...just saying.




I know....even though I was answering the posts of those that got carried away with the religious bit, I was getting sick of hearing them. From now on, I'm just going to ignore these posters...... you can't argue with them anyway, they don't and wont listen.

So far as Dr Greer's ideas are concerned, I would say that he has an inflated idea of just how advanced we are with genetic engineering. Unless these "black projects" and organisations are many decades ahead of everyone else, which I would seriously doubt given their apparent limited access to outside help, I would say that his hypothesis is wrong. Plus, how would they account for sightings of these beings throughout recorded history, let alone the the last 60 or so years. We haven't been that advanced in genetics for that long a time. I couldn't see them back in the late 40's (or even right up till the mid to late 80's) saying..."Ok guys, let's manipulate this bit of DNA, and this cell.....add these characteristics and stick it in our ACME super incubators. Then "Hey, Presto", out pops a Grey, or Reptilian or whatever.

Not likely.



posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by GhostITMUnless these "black projects" and organisations are many decades ahead of everyone else, which I would seriously doubt given their apparent limited access to outside help, I would say that his hypothesis is wrong.


Well remember what Phil Schneider said about black technology advancing 44-45 years for every 1 calendar year, meaning as at 1995 they are some 1200 years ahead of where they otherwise would be, thanks to acquired alien tech. I would not be surprised if Dr Greer is on the right track about this. We have all heard stories from people having dealings with the Greys that they are the 'worker bees'. Genetically-engineered by perhaps ET and human alike - technology that has been shared, passed on and kept underground. Apparently they think of their bodies as disposable shells / vessels, so perhaps the idea isn't as ludicrous as it first sounds.



posted on Sep, 14 2006 @ 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by RiotComing

Originally posted by GhostITMUnless these "black projects" and organisations are many decades ahead of everyone else, which I would seriously doubt given their apparent limited access to outside help, I would say that his hypothesis is wrong.


Well remember what Phil Schneider said about black technology advancing 44-45 years for every 1 calendar year, meaning as at 1995 they are some 1200 years ahead of where they otherwise would be, thanks to acquired alien tech. I would not be surprised if Dr Greer is on the right track about this. We have all heard stories from people having dealings with the Greys that they are the 'worker bees'. Genetically-engineered by perhaps ET and human alike - technology that has been shared, passed on and kept underground. Apparently they think of their bodies as disposable shells / vessels, so perhaps the idea isn't as ludicrous as it first sounds.


I find that figure you quoted from Phil Schneider exceptionally hard to believe. To be able to advance that fast you would need scientists that make Einstein, Turing, Hawking, Feynman, Turok and a raft of others look like kindergarten kids, unlimited funds and more computing power and resources than this planet could even supply. I think Mr Schneider is pulling people's legs with this. They'd need to be able to fully undertsand the alien technology right from the start to be able to advance that fast.

I could believe in them being a few decades, say 40-60 years ahead, if they could back engineer any of the technology with success, but as for 1200........ sounds a wee bit too incredulous to me. Sounds like a figure just plucked from the air, and where would Schneider derive that figure from?? Personal experience, or good authority?? Doubtful. Too many of these claims are made without any substantial proof and even if he had the proof, given the state of Ufology today would anyone believe him??



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