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Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by Ox
all the Democrats need to do is impeach Bush and his administration.
Sounds like a plan, however where are the democrats? I saw no filibuster or any serious party efforts to block this legislation. Are any democrats vowing to repeal this legislation?
The democrats are so afraid of being labeled as soft on terrorism that they are hiding in a corner with their tails between their legs, rather than speaking their minds with courage. I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for the democrats to imeach bush, as more than likely they will just use the legislation passed by this administration for their own benefit and impeaching bush would impede their ability to do so.
When was the last time you saw any political party pass legislation to take power away from government?
[edit on 29-9-2006 by df1]
Originally posted by Ox
And they didnt filibuster because it would just delay the inevitable.. nothing more.. This was going to be passed no matter what..
Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman states in the L.A. Times, "The compromise legislation....authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights."
WASHINGTON - The CIA interrogation program should now be back in business and terrorist trials can begin right away, according to proponents of new legislation passed by Congress. The legislation is a victory for President Bush, whose detention and interrogation program was deemed illegal by the Supreme Court in June. Bush turned to Congress and was able to push through legislation that would revive his anti-terror efforts.
Lawmakers passed the bill and sent it Friday to the president to sign. But while the measure potentially applies to all 14,000 foreign detainees, it isn't expected to change the lives of many. Most are in military prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan and are unlikely to face aggressive, prolonged interrogations by CIA operatives. The Pentagon is expected to prosecute fewer than two dozen detainees.
Under the bill, Bush can convene military commissions to prosecute terror suspects so long as he follows certain guidelines. The bill also for the first time provides specific definitions of abusive treatment of prisoners, though critics say it leaves unclear precisely what methods would be allowed.
So far, the military says it has enough evidence to try only 10 prisoners — all held at Guantanamo. The remaining detainees, most of whom are in Iraq, can be held without charge until hostilities there end.
But the remaining prisoners not prosecuted — including all of those swept up in the battlefield in Iraq — would not be guaranteed legal recourse. This would seem to have little effect on them because, practically speaking, prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan currently have virtually no way to protest their detentions in U.S. courts.
"What they've done with this legislation is wipe out — abolish — the writ of habeas corpus for any alien held by the United States anywhere in the world," said Michael Ratner at the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York
Among those captured and detained without legal recourse is Bilal Hussein, an AP photographer who has been held without charge in Iraq by the U.S. military since April.
"I don't know anything about it," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Friday when asked about the case.