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Shiva = Dracula

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posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 07:05 AM
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I wasn't sure where to post this.
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Shiva = Dracula
Ganesha = Renfield

I don’t know what this means. But for some reason Bram Stoker has used Hindu myths in his work Dracula. I don’t know if was intentional. But I’ve seen no mention of it elsewhere. As far as I know I am the first to have spotted it.

A few things about Shiva:
He is lord of the vampires. He stalks graveyards. He has white skin. He is the personification of death. His domain is on a mountain top. Shiva’s throat is poisoned by the giant snake (dragon?) Vasuki.

I don’t need to point out there is obvious similarities with fang face Dracula here. Not forgetting that Dracula’s castle is situated ON A MOUNTAIN TOP. And do I need to point out the significance of a damaged/poisoned throat? (by a fanged creature)

Ganesha is Shiva’s son. He is the remover of obstacles. He has an elephant’s head.

Compare this text from the book:

Chapter twenty (XX)
Dr Seward’s Diary.

(Dr Seward and Renfield is talking about his desires to eat living things.)

“You want big things that you can make your teeth meet in? How would you like to breakfast on elephant?”
“What ridiculous nonsense you are talking!” He was getting too wide awake, so I thought I would press him hard. “ I wonder, “ I said reflectively, “what an elephant’s soul is like!” The effect I desired was obtained, for he fell from his high-horse and became a child again.

“I don’t want an elephant’s soul, or any soul at all!” he said.

Ganesha’s elephant head is explained in a myth. Ganesha is set on guard outside Parvati’s (his mother) chamber door as she takes a bath. He is ordered to let no one enter. Shiva tries to enter her chamber and Ganesha attacks him. Shiva chops his head off. Then he replaces it with an elephant’s head.

In chapter 21 (XXI) we see a re-enactment of the myth. Dracula wants to get to Mina Harker who is staying at Seward’s asylum. He cannot enter the building as, like all vampires, he cannot enter a home unless asked in. So he tempts Renfield with promises of power and souls to feast on. Renfield is in a sense the guardian of Mina.
He allows Dracula to enter, but once he sees that Dracula means to feed on Mina he attacks Dracula. Dracula breaks Renfield’s neck.

The Renfield character is a servant of Dracula. In his many incarnations through numerous films he is the human protector of his master. He sorts things out for him. A remover of obstacles.

In the book he removes the obstacle that stops Dracula getting to Mina.

Shiva is said to have destroyed Kama (love) and recreated him as Maya (delusion).

Dracula is able to make women, and sometimes men, love him with the force of his will. A deluded love?

Shiva bears the mark of Soma (the moon) on his forehead.( the 3 lines) Dracula is a night person.

Ganesha is said to be very fond of eating. Once he ate so much he burst and had to have a snake tied around his belly to stop his guts falling out.
Renfield’s entire raison detra is eating. We all know what he eats too. Bugs. He goes on and on about it through the book.

Ganesha is associated with rats. He is said to ride one, or simply that the rat is his motif.
In Dracula Renfield is tempted by the vampire with the souls of hundreds of rats. Their eyes glinting in the dark.

There is probably more. I first noticed these similarities some years ago. I forgot to write them all down.

Still, maybe you could find some more. (I also recollect that the same themes are mirrored in David Lynch’s film FIRE WALK WITH ME)

What does it mean? I don’t know. Is Shiva Dracula? Was Stoker saying something? Do the stories of the Gods still force their way into our modern worlds? Through books? Films? Unseen by the authors? Are these emerging stories actually corrections on the distorted myths.

Didn’t Jung say something about all this?




posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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OK where did you get this from. More research is needed on hinduism for you i think:

Shiva is lord of outsiders - meaning that outcasts like vampires, demons are still able to pray to him as he is said to be lord of both what people with a dualistsic mindstate think of as 'bad' and what they think of as 'good' - he is beyond polarities he is not just 'lord of vampires' you could equally say he is lord of beggars, lord of lepers, lord of thieves so to take that as proof of your theory just doesnt work at all.

Secondly Shiva has BLACK skin, not white - this is possibly owing to an african origin as shiva was worshipped primarily by the descendents of the Sudroids and Dravidians - who are the darker, lower caste groups in india - and the counterpart of the son of shiva in mythology MURUGAN is worshipped in africa as MURUNGU. This is why shaivite principles transferred well to the Rastafari such as the use of cannabis as a sacrament - they both have links to africa. The picturing of Shiva as a white skinned god is more of a recent thing to tie him in with the racial ideas of white = better that was introduced by the vedics and disguise his origin as a non vedic god. The use of the black lingham is another indicator of his original form as well as the story of Bhairiva where it is specifically said that he is dark skinned.

Shiva was a pre-vedic god as well, in the form of Rudra who was originally the god of the pre-vedic indus valley culture. He is referred to as being dark skinned, and his worshippers as being dark skinned in indian epics such as the rig veda. The other colour that you could possibly associate with him is the color red which is where his name derives from.

Every god ever has been located on a mountain top. So to say that mountain god = Shiva, is just selectively ignoring all the other gods at the top of mountains. Zeus for instance. That could equally as well be compared to dracula.

Also shiva is not the god of death or death personified. The correct name for the hindu god of death is YAMA, who reports to shiva, Shiva is the god of destruction and resurrection - like how the universe is said to be destroyed and recreated many times in a second - shiva is more like that than some western fearful grim reaper. A recycling process

Also Shivas throat is not poisoned by a giant snake. It is poisoned when the gods drop an elixir of immortality into the ocean, they churn it using vasuki as a rope to get the elixir out and a poison emerges from vasukis pain - Shiva drinks it to save the rest of the world. Where is the dracula similarity?

your story about shiva destroying love and recreating him as delusion is also completely out of context. Shiva is meditating when kama shoots his arrows of desire at him. This disturbs shivas meditation, so he unleashes his third eye which destroys Kamas physical form. however shiva recreates him as the emotional state of love. Shiva kills him in the first place because the delusion is stopping his meditative clarity.

Renfield = slave
Ganesh = Son

unless you can find the bit where dracula churns the ocean with a giant snake to get the elixir of immortality then drinks the poison to altruisticly save the world, or the bit where dracula sticks an elephants head on renfield after killing him then resurrects him. Or where dracula is meditating and shoots cupid with a beam from his third eye it just seems like you are randomly picking and mixing bad theological knowledge and making comparisons that dont hold up to the light of day.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 08:41 AM
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great post count shivula


I think you got it all wrong, the closest comparison to vampire in Hinduism would be Kali, not Shiva or Ganesh.

do some research on Kali, she is the known blood drinker in Hindu myths.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 04:24 AM
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thanks worldwatcher - shiva is my specialist subject!



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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I think you are splitting hairs. All these 'facts' don't detract from the similarities. Because Shiva is originally seen as black, by some people, does not counteract the fact that he is usually portrayed as white.

You really can't see how being poisoned by a snake (regarding immortality-vampires can live forever) isn't related to Dracula? Come on. Snakes are dragons. Dracula means Dragon or devil or son of. The area marked is the THROAT.

Yeah. Can't see any similarity there.

Son/slave? You can't be too literal with all this, because we don't know how this phenomena has come about. It may only be a subconscious act on Stoker's part.

Is Renfield truly just a slave? Doesn't he love Dracula in a way.

And can't son's be slaves too?

What sort of a mother like Parvati would order her son to act as a doorman?

Take a look at this picture from Coppola's Dracula.


Renfield in a straitjacket that looks very much like the wrinkled skin of an Elephant.

And might I add that your aggressive condescending tone is completley unwarranted.

[edit on 13-9-2006 by albie]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:40 AM
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find me any image that portrays Shiva as light/white skinned????



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:50 AM
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Christ! Find me one where he's black more like.

Can you google?

He is portrayed as an asian but pallid. Dracula is pallid due to being a vampire.

I'm not saying Shiva was a honky.

Christ!



[edit on 13-9-2006 by albie]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:52 AM
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en.wikipedia.org...

Funny, does not look black to me. Though I do not know much about Hindu mythology. Could be that the site is wrong, but I doubt it is.


[edit on 13-9-2006 by cibolog]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:52 AM
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you call that white


Shiva is a blue skinned god, like Krishna, Blue skin depictions in Hindu art means dark skinned indians, madrasi, lankansm, etc.

I'm telling you, if you want any sort of blood drinking vampire correlation to Hindu gods, look up the goddess Kali.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by cibolog
en.wikipedia.org...

Funny, does not look black to me.


that's a statue



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:54 AM
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True it is a statue lol, but if he was black they could have made it out of obsidian, I guess.

edited for correct sex of Shiva, I guss, not sure they all look like girly men to me lol!

[edit on 13-9-2006 by cibolog]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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KALI IS ASSOCIATED WITH SHIVA.

And if you knew anything about Hinduism then you'd know that means that Kali IS Shiva.

Just as Parvati is inseperable from Shiva.

That doesn't mean they like each other a lot.

It's to do with how our souls are all one soul.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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I don't think that is true for every statue ever made.

and it's a HE not She.




posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:00 AM
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Well here are pictures/paintings, definately not black.

www.artoflegendindia.com...



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:04 AM
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He is paler than most gods. It stands to reason that the god of death is pale.

Apparently he smears on ash from graveyards to make him pale. Dracula is pale because he is dead.

I certainly think this needs looking into. And not being childishly discarded by CIA pimps.

HAVE AN OPEN MIND.

[edit on 13-9-2006 by albie]



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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But getting back to how great I am for spotting all this.

Shiva's lingam. Funny that the best way to kill Dracula is a stake through the heart.

Long things.

And yes I know a lingam is a penis.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 08:53 AM
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And for the nutters...

6-6-06.net...

dracula siva = 666



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 09:27 AM
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www.shivashakti.com...

www.shivashakti.com...

Not only does he have black skin, he has dreadlocks. irie mon! this is his bhairiva form.

www.exoticindiaart.com...

this is his nataraja form

www.hinduonnet.com...

Dakshinamurthy form

The white skin does not originate with shiva, who is originally a dark god of black skinned people - this can be seen by looking at the rig veda in which he is only alluded to as a angry and dark god Rudra by the Indra worshippers who wrote the RV. His worshippers are referred to in a condescending and dismissive way as 'dark skinned barbarian penis worshippers' because of the Shaivite practice of using the Lingham as an object of worship. The Lingham is always black with three lines on it, again an indicator of shivas orginal form.

Shiva as Mahadeva (white skinned) does not appear until the brahminization of india in which it probably came about for two reasons:

1) The tibetean people had an equivalent god to shiva that also had tantric practices attached to him - these two god forms were combined because of their similarities although they are different traditions and gods entrirely. The result of this was the lighter skinned one was more fashionable in a caste and race based society and so started to gain strength.

2) There is a massively race-concious part of Indian society that still pervades the country, much more so than the west. This results in so many of the representations of the Gods and even film stars being depicted in a way that makes them look western. Like how jesus is always blonde with blue eyes.

he was originally a dark god of dark skinned people - hence the transference and interchange of ideas between Shaivism and african Murungu worshippers and MUCH later the adaption of Shaivite ideas into Rastafari. Also there is elements similar to Voodoo within the southern rural Shaivite groups - including doll use, all predominately the religions of darker skinned cultures. This is one of the main reasons he is attacked in the story of bhaivara by brahmins priests: because although he is dark skinned and unkempt he still attracts their women to him. please read the story of Bhaivara

His dark skin and origin before the introduction of the caste system is one of the reasons that he is so popular in the south amongst the untouchable and lower castes, and also why anti-vedic beings such as vampires and demons are devoted to him - because they are people excluded from the caste based ideas of what are clean and holy and worthy of gods attention. The point is with Shiva is that all is one, so evil things are still sacred to him as they are parts of him. NOT that he is some evil vampire stalking graveyards.

Shiva is not bitten or attacked by a snake - he voluntary drinks a poison that the snake makes because it is feeling ill after it churns the worlds ocean. The only reason the throat is marked is because he does not allow it to go down into his body to destroy him. It has NOTHING to do with dracula. So far the only similarities that you have are both stories mention the throat in completely different ways, and in your head Snake=Dragon=Drac=Dracula

As well as this - Ganesh does not ride a rat, he rides a mouse. And at no time eats bugs or devours souls.

and LMAO at: "Shiva bears the mark of Soma (the moon) on his forehead.( the 3 lines) Dracula is a night person. "

Shiva represents the SUN in the shiva shakti kundalini triad, the three lines represent sun, moon and fire (masculine femanine and holy spirit).

and talking about aggressive condescending tones, what do you think "Can you google" sounds like.



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 09:34 AM
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also SHANI IS THE GOD OF DEATH NOT SHIVA

And a lingham is normally a small round stone that has been smoothed over completely - how the HELL are you supposed to stab someone with one?



posted on Sep, 13 2006 @ 09:36 AM
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And you spelt shiva wrong in your 666 calculation



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