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reply posted on 12-9-2006 @ 09:31 AM by Gazrok
First of all, the Fermi Paradox uses fallacious logic. It makes assumptions about a completely unknown variable (i.e. ET motivations) and then runs with it. It basically states, "man is sentient. man craves colonization. aliens are sentient. therefore aliens crave colonization". this is the same as saying, "all fathers are men. if you are a man, then you are a father." It isn't a valid statement, or a valid paradox.


1: If an Alien race advanced enough to become intelligent it is quite safe to assume they are a Predatory species (after all how much brainpower is needed to sneak up on a carrot?).
I think the most likely scenario for a dominating species has to be a top of the food chain predator almost certainly a pack hunter to evolve the needed inteligence.


No, it doesn't take brains to sneak up on a carrot. However, it does take brains to know how to plant them, cultivate them, rotate crops, etc. Agriculture, not hunting, is the key factor that led to our development of civilization.


2: What motives would they have to actually cross the vastness of lightyears to come here to a less advanced race well given that nothing on earth is special, apart from maybe the meat (us).
Best case scenario is they only want some resource we have but to cross so much space using so much energy to get here It's unlikely they just want to observe or say Hi


Don't WE send probes out into the stars saying "hello! here we are!"??? Why is it so out there to assume they do likewise?


3: Look at our own technological History the vast majority of our technology only came about because we wanted to kill each other. Without our aggression we might still be in caves.
It seem's reasonable that any technological species would by default be warlike.


Actually, from our own history, we've seen that as technology advances, war becomes less of an issue. As the world gets smaller, economics takes over. You don't war with your customers, if you can help it. We certainly have less war now than we did in many past eras, and such conflicts are far more localized...


4: Again our own History, just read about anytime at all a more advanced civilization discovered a less advanced one, slavery, Genocide, Exploitation not to mention the Virus epidemics.


That's a pretty broad brush, and only really applies to our past, not the present. We still encounter ancient peoples, but these are now more often learning experiences, not slaughterfests. Again, as technology makes the world smaller, we see less and less of this.


That's all I have for now but should we should be worried about all the radio signals we are sending mindlessly into space.


Not really. We've been beaming radio for what, around 100 years? How long do you think it will still be around? Let's just be generous and say another 100. So, for 200 years, we use radio. Now, it likely takes thousands of years to reach the next civilized world...on a good case scenario. That means that when the signals arrive, a) somebody has to spot them, b) the culture must still use radio waves in some capacity, and c) they have to be a strong enough signal to still be coherent. That is an awful lot of what ifs...which is why SETI has been so unsuccessful. But still, there's always a shot, and SOMEBODY wins the lotto, no matter what the odds...


The odd's are we will never encounter any race as advanced as ourselves but maybe many should reconsider their wishfull thinking about wanting Aliens here.


So far, their reported actions show more about motives than any paradox or supposition. Desire for secrecy, evasion, interest in military facilities, abducting citizens, etc. Not exactly the actions of "friends"....so I'd agree with this idea.


All Aliens if they exist and our more advanced than us should be treated as Hostile.


That may be a bit far, as if they wanted conquest, and had FTL capability, I'm sure we'd be food or slaves by now....but keeping one's guard up....yeah, I'd be all for that.
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