Israeli troops use tanks to PUSH Finnish Peacekeepers back !!

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Ok a brief over view, and also a shout to any finnish here on the boards - please could you be so kind to translate what the finnish are saying ?? Big thanks in advance!

OK, Finnish want to go down a road, and it gets blocked by an Israeli tank. The Finnish are in APC's, and the Merkva is revving up its engines.

Theres a bit of a stand off, then the Israelis start to push BACK the finnish APC, which is alot of force as can be seen with the violent shuddering of the vehicle and the camera from the turret.

This is disgusting, disgusting footage of a situation I would love to see happen with a massive Russian /Chinese UN Force. Not saying the Finnish are cowards, im saying that Russia / china are up for a bit of a fight with israel any how....

They would get the slap laid down on them.

This video has made me mad!!

[edit on 9-9-2006 by D4rk Kn1ght]

Have sent this link to the Finnish Embassy here in the UK for comment.

Will let you know what they have to say if they ever get back to me.

I still say the UN should start laying some hard rules down to stop this type of cr@# happening...

I'm really not sure what this video is really showing. I unfortunatly don't speak Fin and without some sort of context this could be just about anything.

That APC could have broken downand needed a push. They could have been just screwing around.

I think I made out the words "hey, f**k you!" and I definatly saw some Israeli's flipping those UN guys the 'ol one finger sulte
*shrug*
Need some kind of context before this vid is meaningful in any way.

Oh right so its alright for Israel just to 'screw around' with the peace keepers and move them with their vehicles is it?

fair enough. Next time some one hits your car, with you in it, don't think its wrong, just see it as screwing around.

And maybe loads of people will take this view of your problem.


*shrug*

Ok, not that any of us know exactly what is happening there, but personally I don't like the UN. They have stood by TOO many times while people, innocent people in Rawanda and other places were massacured and slaughtered.

So the UN can expect real military powers to keep them out of areas that the UN will more than likely do nothing in anyway. Seriously, before freaking out about this, it would be better to know exactly what the situation was.

For all any of us know, there are IEDs or a possable battle goin on further down where the convoy is heading. What would you say if the Isrealis let the UN go to their deaths, then it would be the other way around huh. No, ok but it could have been.

Any one get what I am implying?
The UN are lucky they only got pushed gently, and not rammed with full force or worse. Not that it would be good for relations but still.
Going off about something, especially when not even aware of the details is a bit out of line in my opinon, but hey you do your thing. I encourage it...


No offense, honestly but;

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
I still say the UN should start laying some hard rules down

That is the damn funniest thing I have read in a few years. The UN lay down the rules, LMAO.


If they ever did that, then half of the crap that happens would never be. Please, read up on this UN you feel can lay down the law. They are a pony show....


[edit on 9-9-2006 by ADVISOR]

Dark Knight - Master Fighter FIN (usually in the aerospace groups) I think is a Fin. Maybe U2U him!

Regards

TD

Can't make any conclusions about this video until I have more info. I don't know what any of them are saying, except for one expletive that seems to mean the same everywhere in the world.

Not a huge UN fan either when it comes to getting things done in a military kind of way, but I don't really blame them for being impotent. Any multi-national organization which gives veto powers which are then used to serve national interests will never accomplish much of anything.

There is some translations found on the comments from video site, but mainly the point seem to be that Finnish forces are blocking IDF move to some point, thou its not explained on video and they end up simply getting pushed off. But as video even while understanding the langue, doesnt really give any other picture than its about boys with toys banging some metal together. So its just good for comedy value, doesnt try to be too serious.

Also would question about date the video was shot as theres nothing telling it, so it could been on previous libanon occupation, not that i have memory of how much Finnish people were there at that time or was there any at all.

If you scroll down and click on View All 67 Comments there are a few people that translate whats going on. Someone did say that it might be from 1999/2000 though. Where the Merkava tanks available then? I thought the film was more recent. Hard to tell.



Pie

IMH the UN should stay out of the Middle East and Israel should deal with the security situation by itself. The UN needs a major overhaul to ensure that it gets the teeth it needs to have any impact on the global landscape. Our reliance on Middle Eastern oil also needs to come to an end only then can the UN or any other country confront many of the problems that the Western world faces.

[edit on 9-9-2006 by xpert11]

IMH the UN should stay out of the Middle East and Israel should deal with the security situation by itself.

Judging by Lebanon, Israeli attempts to "deal with the security situation" seem to be doing more harm than good. Let the UN do their job.

As for this situation: the Israelis have repeatedly shown their willingness to target the UN peacekeepers with deadly force, by comparison this kind of bullying is decidedly minor, if repugnant.

Originally posted by xpert11
IMH the UN should stay out of the Middle East and Israel should deal with the security situation by itself. The UN needs a major overhaul to ensure that it gets the teeth it needs to have any impact on the global landscape. Our reliance on Middle Eastern oil also needs to come to an end only then can the UN or any other country confront many of the problems that the Western world faces.

[edit on 9-9-2006 by xpert11]

Israel deal with the situation itself? What do you recommend? More American Hellfires? More tanks? More innocent people killed on both sides?

Yeah, that'll sort the Middle East out.

What the Middle East needs is an America which is unbiased and a foreign policy which is not driven by religious zealots!

Has anyone bothered reading the accompanying comments? The Finns there basically said its alot of swearing, commands to other Finns, and one Finn screaming at the israeli tabnk to come out so he can kick his f****** a**.

Basically, what this incident boils down to is a little pissing contest between militaries, maybe breaking the boredom with a little clash.

Nothing to get worked up over.

Originally posted by Kamran
Israel deal with the situation itself? What do you recommend? More American Hellfires? More tanks? More innocent people killed on both sides?

Well if thats how the Israelis choose to deal with the problem so be it.

What the Middle East needs is an America which is unbiased and a foreign policy which is not driven by religious zealots!

Other then taking American oil money the Middle East view American interference in the region like a mother in law interfering in your marriage no one wants it.

helloes again from the frozen north.

as a Finnish person i cant really go around this thread without
putting that video clip on certain aspect for the people who
might think that our boys were just harassing the Israelis
out there in those days. yes those days because
the essential thing to understand is that this video is not from the
current UN deployment, and it has nothing to do with this
"war on terror". nor the reacent Israel - Hezbollah engagement last summer!

this is far older incedent when our peace keepers were there to keep the
peace in the lebanease territory. thease kinds of Israeli tank column
blocks which we made to protect the lebanese villages from being mowed
down (or atleast give the folks time to move out before that happend)
were quite usual those days. and no. the Israelis had very Agressive
standing against the UN those days. they were the "annoying
third wheel between israeli Merkavas and the lebanease villages.

to add to the point the israelis practicly zeroed their guns on the UN
positions those days.

"D4rk Kn1ght" can be as mad as he likes about it.

i salute those boys. it takes guts to go against Main battle tank in
APC. (good apc's tough. Finnish quality )

that overly agressive attitude of the israelis chanced afterwards and then
we only had them UN observers there.

untill last summer when one of our observers were killed in precision guided
strike. with four others i think.. chinease and canadian included.

so the bottom line is that this is from different times this video.

thease men did their job back then. and their objective was clear:
to defend Villages from being bulldozed or rammed down.
and that Tank column was in the wrong place.
as i said. the Israelis didn't care much and the UN forces were frequently
shot at. that all chanced some years ago

now, after that reacent conflict on lebanease territory. we have our peace
keepers there again. this time we Finns are doing engineering and stuff.
together with the Irish peacekeepers.

a foto.. our peacekeepers starting to build a base.


and for the last time. that video is not from current deployment.

nowadays. if the israelis would like to come pushing down some civvie
buildings they would have to settle the score with the French.
and they were smart enough to ship mainbattle tanks there. (yes, in UN colors) i seriously wonder why that is? any ideas?


[edit on 26-3-2007 by Lempo]

Have sent this link to the Finnish Embassy here in the UK for comment.

did you ever get a reply? i bet not. we Finns are quiet folks lol.


[edit on 26-3-2007 by Lempo]

LMAO. The UN gets pawned again...

What did the Finns expect? 60ish tons vs 25ish tons? That was great. Just another reason for the worlds dumb asses to bash Israel I guess.

Eh I wouldn't bet against the Finns, honestly.

The Israelis have a 50 year history of soundly defeating numerically superior opponents. (Which, BTW, ended in Lebanon this summer.)

The Finns have a what, 500 year history of the same damn thing?

this "Finn's" thing you got going on is a bit hilarious.
there are (and were) multiple nationalities there.

now our boys are building roads there. among the bomb disposal
and other things.

and the Israelis have pritty much admitted (after the last clash)
that their former approach has been a "bit" wrong.

what comes to the blocking tanks with APC's.. well thats the
only thing that they could do in that situation. and it was
common thing not only to our peace keepers but for
example Irish as well. its just that footage which
happens to be on the internet.

nobodys bashing the Israelis here. they did what they tought
was right but in the long run bulldozing peoples homes to the
ground just creates what? a buffer zone? yes.. and
how many angry people more supporting the extrimists?

thats the nastyness of the puzzle.

and to clarify my standing in this issue, i really do think
that IDF was very agressive torwards the multinational
forces. that has since chanced a bit. which is good.

xmotex:
The Finns have a what, 500 year history of the same damn thing?

one could say that we have had more than that. since we have always
been between the two major cultures which kinda have used us
as pawns for centuries. namely the germanic and the slavic peoples.
once there were finnic tribes all over northern europe.
not any more. (damn them and their agriculture. huntergatherers rule! )

then again. you got the "Chosen people." go fetch a bible (or perhaps some more scientific source) and read about it.
thats what this all middle-east thing is about basicly.

wars wars wars.
not that we would want to be in the way of the Israelis if their doctorine
is just. but sometimes the aftermath is just so large humanitarian
chrisis that the region couldn't bare the weight.

its a knot. and people don't seem to get it open.
somebody is poking it with scissors all the time.



this tread is interesting in a sense of media chritisism.
people see it from one point or another. but the
context is lost in the wind so easilly.

tells much about how people react to this sort of footage.
they dont even bother to find out the specs. see the whole picture
when they are used to watch and hear something that is chewd up
for them beforehand. this also makes it easier to lead people
in certain conclusions. that video is obviosly recorded by
Finnish peace keeper in the 90's. still the
people who see the video "from the other side" which they
have been prepared, see it as an outrage. and imidietly
think that "they finns they are the evil ones".

this of course pisses my country men off because we have footage
of Israelis bombing UN positions (probably zeroing their guns)
from the 90's. documented happenings from the arab area..
(israeli settlers peeing in their water supplies and stuff)
Americans are naturally spared from this kind of media
because its hurtfull for the cause.

but thats the nastyness of the whole conflict. the culture clash.
the goverments can say what they want. the people still do what they do.
even in the ranks of their countries military.

[edit on 27-3-2007 by Lempo]

Originally posted by Gatordone
LMAO. The UN gets pawned again...

What did the Finns expect? 60ish tons vs 25ish tons? That was great.

it is was the UN policy to use the PASI APCs in their deployment
because they doesnt look so "agressive". thus it suits
better in peacekeeping than many other armored vehicles.
while the APC is of Finnish desing it was not our decision to use just
them in the conflict. those decisions are made in the UN i think.

its not what you expect.. you aither use that what you have or
you do nothing.. and then your obviously not doing your job.

actually that PASI X-180 doesnt even weight 25 tons.
have a look if your interested.