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posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 12:25 PM
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UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has arrived in Israel at the beginning of a weekend visit to the Middle East.


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With his party falling apart around his ears and his former home secretary slagging of his chanceler, guess what Tony does, yet he scurries of abroad like a rat leaving the ship.

Isn't it time Tony Blair actually spent some time in this country? not only sorting out his own party but actually serving the British people for a change, at this moment in time we have hospitals sacking nurses and closing wards due to being massively in debt, we have antisocial behaviour seemingly out of control and whats his answer-to go abroad.




posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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I suppose you could take the view that he shouldn't have gone, there's nothing to worry about in the ME at the moment and everything is hunky-dory, but I think you'd be in a minority there.


UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has met his Israeli counterpart at the start of a weekend visit to the Middle East.

news.bbc.co.uk...

- Wow, a whole weekend away (arranged some time ago) at one of the world's most sensitive trouble-spots.

Not exactly a great example of 'ducking out' is it, huh?

(maybe you could do another thread complaining the TB is 'only' devoting a weekend to such an important issue as the ME and it's present troubles?
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posted on Sep, 9 2006 @ 07:03 PM
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Isn't it time Tony Blair actually spent some time in this country? not only sorting out his own party but actually serving the British people for a change, at this moment in time we have hospitals sacking nurses and closing wards due to being massively in debt, we have antisocial behaviour seemingly out of control and whats his answer-to go abroad.


Agrees with you dude, he should be spending more time here than travelling to the M/E. Hhe spends more time abroad anyways than he does in this country.

Maybe he is seting up new job prospects for himself. Aterall he will be leaving us soon. (Puts out the flags when he does).



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 07:07 AM
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Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
Hhe spends more time abroad anyways than he does in this country.


- Any chance of backing up that claim in any way or is it just unsubstantiated personal opinion?



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 07:17 AM
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You have to admit he does spend huge swathes of time abroad, and i can't remember any previous prime minister in my life time spending this amount of time abroad. and what does he achieve for it? he claims to be helping in the middle eastern conflict, yet he only seems to actively listen to Isreal, he spends a lot of time in the US and get's treated like a poodle, something Bush's Yo Blair comment seems to back up, after all it's hardly the way you would refer to someone whom you like or respect is it?



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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Blair often travels to other countries for political reasons, I'm not sure why though as he's not the political heavy weight he thinks he is.

He's not a great nor strong leader, he can't lead his own country back home yet alone help stem the chaos in the middle east, which he helped cause.

I welcome the day he steps down, I welcome the chaos that will no doubt ensue when the knives are drawn for back stabbing and the spin image of the Labour party is cast down so we can see them as they really are, a Government out of touch with the real problems, national and internationl.







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posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 10:22 AM
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I'd love to see the data but IIRC the Beeb has already commented that Blair isn't one for long holidays or repeated trips abroad either
(he's only just been on his delayed holiday so perhaps that is where the impression comes from right now?).

Anyone that can turn up some actual facts here would be welcomed.

As for remembering?
You must have missed (or preferred to forget) Thatcher's long global stints away or even Majors vacating the country during his 'times of troubles'.

"Yo Blair" has a huge and significant negative meaning?
Well ok, it's a view but I doubt too many others (with an open mind) would agree there.
Bush has repeatedly expressed his respect for TB and to claim a view to the contrary on this is probably just more reflective of your own attitudes.
I took it that they were speaking as adults sometimes do. Nothing more.
There's been plenty of other indications over the years which show a genuine respect between them.

"Poodle" is simply political slant from opponents or the idiotic garbage from those still day-dreaming of an Empire.
The reality is the UK is the junior partner in the alliance. Facts is facts.


he only seems to actively listen to Isreal


- He hasn't just been meeting the Israelis on this particular weekend visit, today he was in (once again productive) discussions with the Palestinian leadership.


Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas has said he is ready for an "unconditional" meeting with his Israeli counterpart, after talks with the UK's Tony Blair.
Mr Abbas' announcement comes a day after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert also said he was prepared for talks without conditions.

news.bbc.co.uk...

As for Britain's 'political weight' in the world?
Well as anyone open-minded can see from the snippet quoted above the trip has had some good effect (in a place crying out for productive attention).

But once again opponents will claim it's utterly worthless and nothing - until their preferred party gets to office in which case it'll no doubt be amazing 'punching above our weight' blah blah blah.

Not a very serious comment in other words.

......and as for the so-called problems in the Labour party?
It looks like Brown is doing his bit to stop the silliness.

In an interview for the BBC's Sunday AM, Mr Brown said he had told anyone who had asked him that it was for Mr Blair to decide when he stepped down.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Personally I'm looking forward to the issue being settled, when it is settled.
Then the charade of a so-called 'tory rebirth' can be focused upon and shattered.
They were and remain the most out-of-touch party to the majority of the British people, they are always were and will remain the party of the privileged minority.
But there's plenty of time until the next general election.

.....at which point there is every likelihood that Gordon Brown will take win number 4 on the bounce for the Labour party.



posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 10:38 AM
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Any chance of backing up that claim in any way or is it just unsubstantiated personal opinion?


You always seem to think you right, better than anyone else on this forum. Everytime I post something your always there nickpicking..

And btw this is a chat forum. I am allowed to give my own opinions the same as you.

How many times has been to the USA kiss his buddy's backside eh?

No wonder this country is a laughing joke aborad. with the lame duck prime minister that w have in office right now.




You have to admit he does spend huge swathes of time abroad, and i can't remember any previous prime minister in my life time spending this amount of time abroad. and what does he achieve for it? he claims to be helping in the middle eastern conflict, yet he only seems to actively listen to Isreal, he spends a lot of time in the US and get's treated like a poodle, something Bush's Yo Blair comment seems to back up, after all it's hardly the way you would refer to someone whom you like or respect is it?


Exactly I agree with you. Seems Sminkey is being a one sided with is opinions, just because everyone has different opinions from him , he seems to like attacking peopls comments or postings. If he doesnt like my comments then do not reply to them simple.

Think deep down inside you still support you ex party eh.

He will be gone soon anyways. thank god Tony Blair thay is.
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posted on Sep, 10 2006 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
You always seem to think you right


- If I make a definitive statement of fact I do so only if I can back it up and show it is the facts.

If I give opinion then I don't try and pretend it is a definitive statement of fact, that's the difference.


better than anyone else on this forum.


- !?

This is just ridiculous, that's the kind of nonsense a child would come out with.
Sorry sj but it is.

Perhaps you should have a little lie down and try and be a little less emotive?


Everytime I post something your always there nickpicking.


- It's a political discussion forum.

The point isn't to spend time here agreeing with each other 24/7, it's to try and exchange varying views and stimulate debate (and hopefully more than just between a few of us and more than a couple of polarised viewpoints).

If you post something as if it were a fact and it is unsubstantiated (or clearly just isn't the facts) then expect to be challenged.


And btw this is a chat forum.


- Er, no it isn't.

This is a political discussion forum
.

If you want an ordinary chat room you'll find it under chat, on the main ATS/PTS toolbar above or elsewhere.


I am allowed to give my own opinions the same as you.


- .....and no-one ever said different.

All you have been asked is to back up your claims, surely that is not exactly unreasonable?

Especially if people are prone to expressing personal opinion, making certain sweeping and plainly non-factual statements and presenting them as if they were the actual facts of the matter.


How many times has been to the USA kiss his buddy's backside eh?


- You tell me, you're the one making the claims about it.

How many times a year has the current PM been to see the US President during the course of his premiership' and how does that annual record compare with that of his predecessors?


No wonder this country is a laughing joke aborad. with the lame duck prime minister that w have in office right now.


- You know you ought to be careful about imagining that your own perceptions apply universally.



Exactly I agree with you.


- Agreeing with an opinion is fine, we all do it.

Pretending that your opinion or POV is an outright fact is what is not ok.


Seems Sminkey is being a one sided with is opinions, just because everyone has different opinions from him , he seems to like attacking peopls comments or postings.


- It's called discussion.

If this was a simple back-slapping 'oh you're so right' session then there would be no actual debate, would there?.


If he doesnt like my comments then do not reply to them simple.


- You (like a couple of others) have managed to utterly miss the point of the FSME.

It is to provoke, encourage, stimulate and try to sustain debate, not to agree with you or anyone else.


Think deep down inside you still support you ex party eh.


- You think?


Of course I have a preference for the centre-left and not the right-wing.

.....and how is that relevant?
Has it stopped me providing counter-points or counter-facts?


He will be gone soon anyways. thank god Tony Blair thay is.


- Well of course, has been telling us as much since 2004.



posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 06:06 AM
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I'd be happy if some trigger happy hezbollah decided to slot him.

If there ever was a man who should be tried for treason, it is Tony Blair. Never has a prime minister of this country caused so much anger and frustration to their own peoples..

he leaves us with wide open borders, yet wants a clamp down against terrorists...

he wants us all to have ID cards, but has no idea how many people there are in this country...

he knows we are all living in denser and denser population centers, but cannot see an upper limit on the numbers allowed to live here...

Happy to embrace europe and its socialist cause, to the detriment of the UK..

And his greatest regret will of been on being forced out, that he could not force the UK into accepting the euro as a currency - he would of rigged a vote if he thought he was close to winning, and yet people here in the UK by and large do not want it.


I for one hope he comes home in a coffin - I hope HE has to pay the "blood price" in the war on terror.

"blood price" was Blairs way of describing his cowardly commitment to the war in Iraq. Now I hope he has to personaly pay it, with interest.



posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
I'd be happy if some trigger happy hezbollah decided to slot him.


- Lovely.
Murder in persuit of political ends, terrorism no less, how clever, well done you.
You must be so pleased with yourself.
Timing too, huh?



If there ever was a man who should be tried for treason, it is Tony Blair.


- Still staying right out on the fringes there.



Never has a prime minister of this country caused so much anger and frustration to their own peoples.


-


S'funny; all this supposed anger and frustration and yet 3 election victories on the trot (the last one less than only 1.5yrs ago).

Why not just admit the truth eh?
Only the dingbats right at the very margins and fringes 'think' this kind of ridiculous nonsense.



he leaves us with wide open borders, yet wants a clamp down against terrorists.


- Yet this government is spending large amounts of public money on securing the borders.


he wants us all to have ID cards, but has no idea how many people there are in this country.


- You'll find that no British government (of any colour) could say to 100% accurately either.

....and this government (like every British government since the 1950's) has introduced legislation to restrict and control immigration.


he knows we are all living in denser and denser population centers, but cannot see an upper limit on the numbers allowed to live here.


- That's possibly because this little stat is almost never paired up with the emigration figures (which are significant).


Happy to embrace europe and its socialist cause, to the detriment of the UK.


- Like it or not we are European and have been members of the EEC/EU for over 30yrs.

......and the idea that Europe is only something "detrimental" to the UK or is exporting a particularly "socialist" ethic to the UK is frankly laughable.


And his greatest regret will of been on being forced out, that he could not force the UK into accepting the euro as a currency


- He told you that himself did he?



he would of rigged a vote if he thought he was close to winning, and yet people here in the UK by and large do not want it.


- Don't count your chickens. I'll stick to my view that it's a matter of when not if.


I for one hope he comes home in a coffin - I hope HE has to pay the "blood price" in the war on terror.


- Interesting, perhaps in your day-dreaming he started it too, hmmmm?



"blood price" was Blairs way of describing his cowardly commitment to the war in Iraq. Now I hope he has to personaly pay it, with interest.


- Well of course.
Everything was perfection before Blair made Bush attack Iraq and set Al Queda secretly off attacking us etc etc blah blah blah.



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posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 06:12 PM
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Haven’t you noticed that whenever our leaders are in trouble they always go of to the Middle East and at some point make a pilgrimage to Israel? I guess the reception there is pretty good for an Israeli fan as uncritical as Tony Blair. But lots of our leaders do it; in fact I would love to have statistics about how often they visit the Holy Sand.

It's 100% conspiracy theorist of me, but with all of Israel’s friends in the international media I wonder if it’s Israel (and not so much London) that’s our political capital?
Israel maintains a lot of political leverage over the West; and much of this comes from pro Israeli networks (sometimes funded by the Israeli government).
So how far does this political leverage go?
Could this help explain why our leaders visit Israel whenever they’re careers are in political crises? Or is it simply just a way to opt out of it instead?



posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 06:20 PM
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- Lovely.
Murder in persuit of political ends, terrorism no less, how clever, well done you.
You must be so pleased with yourself.
Timing too, huh?



Sminky....

Just how many people have Bush and Blair murdered? Hundreds of thousands.. They have the deaths of all those people on their hands...Just like Hitler did in ww2 with his victims...

They are guilty of war crimes world wide - State sponsored terrorism is what it was and is.

Send him home in a coffin, let people shed a few tears, and then lets get off this merry go round powered by and played to the tune of Bush and his fanatical PNAC animals.



posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 06:57 PM
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I Would Love to See His Passport

Haven’t you noticed that whenever our leaders are in trouble they always go of to the Middle East and at some point make a pilgrimage to Israel? I guess the reception there is pretty good for an Israeli fan as uncritical as Tony Blair. But lots of our leaders do it; in fact I would love to have statistics about how often they visit the Holy Sand.

It's 100% conspiracy theorist of me, but with all of Israel’s friends in the international media I wonder if it’s Israel (and not so much London) that’s our political capital?
Israel maintains a lot of political leverage over the West; and much of this comes from pro Israeli networks (sometimes funded by the Israeli government).
So how far does this political leverage go?
Could this help explain why our leaders visit Israel whenever they’re careers are in political crises? Or is it simply just a way to opt out of it instead?



Well any PM of the UK, has a responsibility to Israel in particular and the Niddle East, after all it was the British who Gave the Jewish that land. Awaits to be told off for this.

Any Pm of this country has a responsibility to the M/E adter the crap we caused out of it. Maybe he is setting up a new job out there


Or he will go into oblivian just like Thatcher did when she Promised to railroad the European Treay,

Time will tell us once he is gone.



posted on Sep, 12 2006 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Just how many people have Bush and Blair murdered?


- You call it murder, I don't. Innocents are always, sadly, victims in wars, even when the war is 'just'.
How many innocent civillians died in the various liberations of WW2?

I can respect a view that says all killing and injuring is wrong, it's an ideal I'm sure many if not most would aspire to.

But to play games with this and insists that 'we' = guilty and always wrong and 'them' = innocents always right is just wrong in my book.

Saddam was no innocent, he was a vile monster and I'm glad he was removed.
Just because 'we' can't rid the world of every vile monster is no reason not to remove those 'we' can.

Equally those engaged in the fight in Iraq ought to be settled with where possible - and that appears to be how 'the coalition' are dealing with many groups out there.
They have been making peace and agreements with those who have been fighting them (on the grounds of a feeling of outrage and attempting to expel an outsider).

But the fundamentalist religious nutters deserve defeat for they would shackle the people in their medieval day-dreams.

I may call it an ill-advised war and/or a war with way too many mistakes but a legitimate war it is IMO nevertheless.

But 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing tho, eh?


Send him home in a coffin


- Like I said, murder to further a political end.

The rational of the terrorist no less.


lets get off this merry go round powered by and played to the tune of Bush and his fanatical PNAC animals.


- Those PNAC delusions are nothing to do with TB and his death or removal would not make the slightest difference to those clutching said delusions.
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Originally posted by Liberal1984
Haven’t you noticed that whenever our leaders are in trouble they always go of to the Middle East and at some point make a pilgrimage to Israel?


- I'd love to see some annual stats about this instead of mere assertion.

.....and how come you choose to ignore the fact that he was invited to the Lebanon by the Lebanese Prime Minister as the recent war was still happening, lib?

S'funny but for a guy who (according to you) has no political leverage out in the ME because he (according to you) just slavishly follows the US and Israel in whatever they tell him to say/do he was considered important and influential enough to warrant an invitation to the Lebanon by the Lebanese PM even as the war was on-going, hmmmm?



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