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A New Union Of Nations In The Works As Venezuela And Syria Declare USA As Mutual Enemy

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posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 09:21 PM
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In what some people would call a "predictable" move, Chavez traveled to Syria and met with President Bashar Assad to strengthen the ties between the two nations. Declaring that they would build a new world free of US domination, vowing to "dig the grave of U.S. imperialism.'' The nations signed 13 political and economic agreements during Chavez's visit, including helping construct a 200,000 BPD oil refinery in Syria.
 



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DAMASCUS, Syria - Venezuela's firebrand President Hugo Chávez said Wednesday that he and Syria will ''build a new world'' free of U.S. domination, vowing eventually to "dig the grave of U.S. imperialism.''

''No matter how strong the American empire becomes and no matter how much force it uses, it will be defeated,'' Chávez said. "We and Syria as well as other countries will be an army of tigers, struggling and strong.''

''The cause of the violence unleashed across the planet . . . is U.S. imperialism,'' he said. ``That is the fundamental cause of the most serious problems -- [U.S.] imperialism and its allies, its ramifications, its arms, its political mechanisms. Against all that we must fight everywhere,'' Chávez said. "It must be said to the peoples of the world, and it must be said to imperialism itself that in this 21st century I will dig the grave of U.S. imperialism.''



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Chavez also went on to demand Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanese land with haste, as well halt its blockade of the Lebanese coast.

Anyone who may have been following topics discussing Chavez may have caught me stating exactly what Chavez is stating here. I would most definitely support such an economic union of nation-states so long as they withdraw from the United Nations.

It would be key to pay attention to foreign media in the coming years, unlike previous world wars, the aggressors of such an engagement in this age cannot disguise and trick civilization from who truly instigated the violence.

Hopefully these things will pass and the balance of power will shift without much incident, unfortunately many texts predict quite the opposite about this time period particularly about the parties involved.


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[edit on 9/7/2006 by DYepes]




posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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:yawns: Hugo Chavez totally bores me and aggravates me. How does he expect Syria, Iran, and Venezuela to stop the US and the other allies? They can't.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 09:35 PM
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Economically of course. they do not have to fire a shot to challenge our economy, and this is exactly what he is implying with his agressive rhetoric. Lets see if Capitalism can make it through the rest of this century without undergong some dramatic changes to its systems and the societies that utilize them to run their nations.

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posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 09:39 PM
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The way I see it...Iran will be going down eventually. Either by an Israeli attack or US attack or both. Venezuela...if he causes too many problems I am sure the CIA will follow Pat Robertson's advice on assassinating him. Syria? What do they have? Once all their friends are gone, and China and Russia turn their backs they won't have anything but to agree with Western imperialism (I don't just say US imperialism because it is also European imperialism!)



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 09:54 PM
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Maybe that is why we suddenly "discovered" all that oil in the Gulf of Mexico. I already knew about it for years.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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Is Chavez trying to save his country and those others or is he trying to save the dying movement of communism instead? I tend to believe the latter and it is communism that is dying and not the US.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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Irregardless, it is my opnion based on what is actually being said by Chavez and others that they intend to counter Western Imperialism by economic support for each other. What good do all these sanctions and UN resolutions do if these nations are trading the necessary resources between each other? they do not want to fight, they simply want to offer an alternative to what we are forced to believe or be considered traitors, that there is an alternative to living life other than PURE Capitalism.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 10:17 PM
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this is how it all starts, like ww2 they all slowly formed a union of nations. mark my word, we (will) go to iran, i guess in a year. i told my nephews not to join the military when out of school. i e-mailed and talked to them, do not join, cause you will be going to iran and ill never see you again. i saw tankers come out of the oceans around quatar larger than some of our aircraft carriers. these people in iran do not mess around, they will attack if leanned on. their pooling for nations to go up against us and they are useing oil to do it with. the middle east is (one) of the leading oil producers. if they get them all to pool together we will starve and most likely a revolution will occur if that happens. we need to get off our ass and use the new technology we have. we are not going to sit by and let them unite with other countries to cut off our oil supply and watch us rip each other to peices. no oil, results in, no gas for transportation, no supplies ect. food. u.s. if provoked with the oil problem if cut off will go to iran. so please all those in school on this website 18 and up. please listen to me it will be like vietnam, but worse.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 10:32 PM
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Or, we could actually try and address the real issues that all these nations have with us and attempt to make a peace deal to avoid any kind of horrendous conflict. So lets see, continue to be arrogant and pretend the world hates us because of our freedom and prosperity eventually leading to a massive confrontation to usurp our corruption, or swallow our pride, adress the beef all these people got, oust the corrupted bankers and politicians and settle for global peace?

Unfortunately I believe many of us are leaning on "We are the DAMN USA and we do what we want when we want it and will not accept any kind of deal with people who cannot accept that!!"

Well, at least I know I have tried to understand, even if to no avail.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 10:40 PM
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If the CIA assasinate him, he will become a hero in Latin America. Don't forget that millions of Latin Americans don't really like the U.S. especially their foreign policy and unconditional support of major corporations which have always treated locals like second grade citizens.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Is Chavez trying to save his country and those others or is he trying to save the dying movement of communism instead? I tend to believe the latter and it is communism that is dying and not the US.


Communism does not exist, nor has it ever existed.

And, because I know what will come from that reposne..

Russia started out using Marxist ideals, but quickly became corrupted, and became Lenninist and Stallinist.

China is a Lenninist Capitalist country.

Cuba is Lenninist.

Venezuela is a democracy.


I don't think Chavez is really a bad guy, I think he see's our government
for what it really is, and wants to protect his country, and topple our
government.

I did a report on Chavez, so I am pretty well informed.

I think he is partnering with these other countries because he see's a
way to accomplish these goals, it's almost like working with someone
you don't care for, but you both have an enemy you hate, so you team
up to eliminate the common enemy.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 11:32 PM
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Iori, do you still have a copy of this report, and if possible would you consider making it available to the community? I am sure you have discovered an amazing amount on the man and I am rather interested myself. If you so choose of course, it would be a nice contribution in helping us deny ignorance.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Iori, do you still have a copy of this report, and if possible would you consider making it available to the community? I am sure you have discovered an amazing amount on the man and I am rather interested myself. If you so choose of course, it would be a nice contribution in helping us deny ignorance.


Sorry man, I did it a few years ago, and I threw it out when I was done.
Not the smartest thing to do I know, but I did'nt realise it til it was to late.

Most of it can be found on the wikipedia entry though.



posted on Sep, 7 2006 @ 11:53 PM
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How unfortunate, I am sure it would have been a great read. Appreciate it anyways. Anyways, I think ti would be interesting to allow these nations to go about their economic plans and see exactlyy first hand which system works better, given we do not attack them unprovoked. Perhaps if the socialist plans are able to get a start off without being immideately attacked or slapped silly with crippling sanctions enforced with military might humanity can anaylze and learn the working of both, and create a new system combining the two? I mean why should we always be thinking war anyways because they want to be different?

As long as they withdraw from the UN I wholeheartedly support the creation and have been advocating it for some time now. I am interested as a citizen of the human race, and if I see it is better than what we have strongly consider some changes to our current system.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 12:02 AM
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I totally agree with you DYepes.

In fact...


You have voted DYepes for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 06:26 AM
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I find talk of capitalism vs. socialism quite ironic. There is not a single economy in the world that has true capitalism. Any country with a central bank has the major tennet of a centralised economy (communism). With such a hand working/manipulating the economy, it is the polar opposite of capitalism.

Those who continue to preach about capitalism being superior to socialism need to wake up and smell the coffee. You are not living in a capitalist economy, you just think you are. And you know what Goethe says about those kind of people.

In a pure capitalist economy workers carrying out the horrible types of jobs such as sewerage maintainence, garbage removal and the like would earn comporable money to CEO's. Yet we see manipulation of every facet of our supposed capitalist economy by the banks, industry and our governments. Is it fair to say, in light of the amount of poverty amongst our citizens, that our version of capitalism is a failed experiment also?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 06:45 AM
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Venezuela is a democracy?


Originally posted by iori_komei
Venezuela is a democracy.
:
I don't think Chavez is really a bad guy, I think he see's our government
for what it really is, and wants to protect his country, and topple our
government.
:
I did a report on Chavez, so I am pretty well informed.

Since when does democracy equate to the nationalization of resources?


The State Assumes Control

Last month, Chavez ordered a state takeover of several major oil operations that had been controlled by foreign-owned corporations. France's Total SA and Italy's Eni SpA refused to cooperate with contractual changes mandated by Chavez. Sixteen firms, however, including Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron Corp., and Spain's Repsol YPF, all agreed to the terms of a reworked contract with Venezuela that grants the state greatly increased revenue shares and operational control.

Chavez


It sounds more like socialism.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Venezuela is a democracy?

[...]

Since when does democracy equate to the nationalization of resources?

What does the framework of the economy have to do with the form of government? You are comparing apples and oranges here. Venezuela's current leader was voted into power by a majority of voters. That makes it a democracy. What happens with regards to it's economy does not impact on that fact.

I thought I'd furnish the above with a bit of info courtesy of the CIA World Factbook.

It lists Venezuela's government type as a federal republic.

Coincidently, it also lists that as being the government type of the United States of America

How does the CIA define a federal republic?


CIA World Factbook

Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.


"ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives." Since the Venezuelan general public voted in Hugo Chavez that would make Venezuela a democracy.

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posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 11:08 AM
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See the reason he nationalized the energy is so that it can actually be exploited for the benefit of the people there, and be traded for the benefit of their people. Not to be a source of insanely large income to a table of individuals who wish to sleep in a 100,000 bed and order $5000 bottles of wine for dinner only to throw it away that night. what a waste of money huh?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by subz

Originally posted by jsobecky
Venezuela is a democracy?

[...]

Since when does democracy equate to the nationalization of resources?

What does the framework of the economy have to do with the form of government? You are comparing apples and oranges here. Venezuela's current leader was voted into power by a majority of voters. That makes it a democracy. What happens with regards to it's economy does not impact on that fact.

It has everthing to do with a society. Elections are only one part of a society; the economic system is much more important.



so·cial·ism (sō'shə-lĭz'əm)
n.
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Socialism



If the elections are merely held to determine which person will make the socialist decisions, it is not a democracy.

Interesting article on the Venezuelan elections:

Was the election in Venezuela stolen?

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