Al Jazeera Releases Video Showing UBL and Others Planning 911

Originally posted by DeMitsuko

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

how about removing the REAL questions behind sept 11 and release PROPER pentagon footage from the VARIOUS Camera's that supposidly CAUGHT the plane hitting the pentagon.

That once piece of footage alone will put to rest a large amount of CT's.
This footage, with its timing, and its aim are only going to add to the sceptacism.

Pure BS.

any footage of the pentagon will again be called fake no matter what.
the CT's will again ask "why after 5 years?" and will claim that the goverment had enough time to get the footage doctored so why bother with asking for the pentagon videos?

So show the real footage?
Show different angles of footage.
Not showing it leaves too much room for CT's

Showing the footage if it is indeed real atleast sets a platform to debate its authenticity.

Not showing it stokes the fire.

And the obvious question is WHY release this footage now?
didnt bush supposidly say he does care any more?
And again, why would alqaeda want to remove all the doubt about hte US government, when it only helps there cause?

It doesnt make sense for alqaeda to release this tape.
It does make sense for the US to release this tape.. especially with IRAN now claiming it was a US Job, especialyl with all the public airtime these ct's are getting too

I also dont like the use of CT's when desrcibing this event.
CT's have the stereo type of being outragoues claims made up.

To me, there is too much inconsistancy in the US reports about 911 for these to be called conspiracies.

These are legitamite questions the US Refuses to answer, or allow be investigated.

3 days left to sept11, and we get 2 tapes, in quick concession..
both tapes being very unique in substance.

why isnt this looking like a good sign?
Can you honestly see the current events, in Iraq, Iran and Israel continuing for another year, untouched by some major international event.

Everything globally has STALLED.

Blair is gone in a year, the US is drastically losing credability, Israelis PM is drastically losing his standing, Iraq is failing, Iran is winning...

this cant continue, the US Wont allow this to continue.
I for one and expecting an attack.

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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

So show the real footage?
Show different angles of footage.
Not showing it leaves too much room for CT's

Showing the footage if it is indeed real atleast sets a platform to debate its authenticity.

Not showing it stokes the fire.

And the obvious question is WHY release this footage now?
didnt bush supposidly say he does care any more?
And again, why would alqaeda want to remove all the doubt about hte US government, when it only helps there cause?

[edit on 8-9-2006 by Agit8dChop]

again... this is not about showing the real footage.
if the footage are to be seen people will debunk it to the ground.
you should think of another point of view for that matter. lets say the footages are being used for some sort of investigation? heck lets bring it to a very diffrent angle,
why didnt they already released the footage after they have been doctored? 5 years!! they could have made it the best fake of them all and shut the all conspiracy down. but they didnt... so mayb some other logics should be applied?

and why release this footage now? well... mayb its a 5 years anniversary? muslims can be very ceremonial.

[edit on 8-9-2006 by DeMitsuko]

Well, that is the idea of an investigation.
To completly exhaust both sides until you have a final answer.
If no one was DEBUNKing the footage id be worried.

Granted, there are people out there that will scream conspiracy at the small minute detail.
This doesnt mean they are all bogus, at the same time it doesnt mean they are all true.

But this footage raises MORE questions than answers.
Why do they feel the need to try to convince us.. AGAIN.. that OBL did this?
Why not release it ON Sept11.. instead of before...
why not release it 1 yr after.. when the memory is fresh, the iraq war hadnt started.. and there was still a case to be answered?

ITS too much of a co-incidence for this tape to magically appear now.
There's a lot of public airtime about hte US having involvement in the attacks.
wouldnt alqaeda want to INCREASE that public suspicion? and make the US even more hated?
why shift the blame back to you?

thats a good question..
why did they choose to relase this ' fake ' or ' legit ' footage now?
on both sides.
if it was alqaeda, this tape and the previous, scream out to me '' operation is GO! "
Yet the US governemnt refuses to achnowledge a increase in likelyhood of an attack.

BUT various chatter seems to bring about increased threat levels and such.

IF it is fake.. it just adds fuel to the suspicion that the US is still trying to stir public opinion into believing the arab world attacked us.

If It is a fake, they cant make sooo concrete in terms of evidence, because people would wonder why alqaeda would ALLOW a tape of such substance, and such standing to be released.

Also..

Why did alqaeda choose to leave various other tapes in afghan capms, of dogs being gassed... of osama laughing about the attacks...

yet chose to take this one with them, when they ran.. only to release it now ?

Im sorry, but i fall into the crowd that believes this is a deliberate ploy.. more than likely from the US government, and if it isnt..
im equally scared as to why alqaeda feels the need to publically air this already known event.

Youd think the terrorrists are sitting around going
' enough already guys, we know how much we hate the US, infidel this infedel that zionest this, zionest that... '

Im excited, and at the same time im terrified.
We are on the dawn of a new world.
And these tapes, that are being aired around the entire globe.. seem to have so much weight behind todays current events.. that it cant jsut be ' conincidence'

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

But this footage raises MORE questions than answers.
Why do they feel the need to try to convince us.. AGAIN.. that OBL did this?

again my freind you are failing to see the real picture. who are THEY??? are you referring to the U.S goverment? because last time i checked it was AQ that released the footage.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Why not release it ON Sept11.. instead of before...
why not release it 1 yr after.. when the memory is fresh, the iraq war hadnt started.. and there was still a case to be answered?

i dont know and neither do you.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

ITS too much of a co-incidence for this tape to magically appear now.
There's a lot of public airtime about hte US having involvement in the attacks.
wouldnt alqaeda want to INCREASE that public suspicion? and make the US even more hated?
why shift the blame back to you?

do you believe in magic?
do you really think that a terrorist that will detonate himself for allah cares about shifting the blame? for him, this footage is a VICTORY for allah. this footage is a perpetuation of a GLORIOUS moment of a strong faith.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

thats a good question..
why did they choose to relase this ' fake ' or ' legit ' footage now?
on both sides.
if it was alqaeda, this tape and the previous, scream out to me '' operation is GO! "
Yet the US governemnt refuses to achnowledge a increase in likelyhood of an attack.

BUT various chatter seems to bring about increased threat levels and such.

you are not a homland security specialist and neither do i.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop


IF it is fake.. it just adds fuel to the suspicion that the US is still trying to stir public opinion into believing the arab world attacked us.

If It is a fake, they cant make sooo concrete in terms of evidence, because people would wonder why alqaeda would ALLOW a tape of such substance, and such standing to be released.

again... they are not a political movment. they are willing to die for their cause.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Also..

Why did alqaeda choose to leave various other tapes in afghan capms, of dogs being gassed... of osama laughing about the attacks...

yet chose to take this one with them, when they ran.. only to release it now ?

Im sorry, but i fall into the crowd that believes this is a deliberate ploy.. more than likely from the US government, and if it isnt..
im equally scared as to why alqaeda feels the need to publically air this already known event.

i cant see the point of that argument.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Youd think the terrorrists are sitting around going
' enough already guys, we know how much we hate the US, infidel this infedel that zionest this, zionest that... '

Im excited, and at the same time im terrified.
We are on the dawn of a new world.
And these tapes, that are being aired around the entire globe.. seem to have so much weight behind todays current events.. that it cant jsut be ' conincidence'

ill second that. there will be a side choosing soon. be sure you choose the right one.

Both..
Alqaeda or the USA whom ever is the real director of this video.
Why do alqaeda feel the need to show us OSAMA and the hijackers. Why not make another ranting rhetoric video with images in the background like the past.
there's no message here.
its just grainey footage. it means nothing to us, we're already saturated so why just add more to the heap?

If It is the USA.. .obviously they are feeling the pinch with all the media saying it was an inside job, so like the crappy pentagon footage they chose to release another tape backing up there supposid story.

Neither of us know.. thats not a valid statement compared to your previous post?
You asked me WHY.. I asked you WHY.. no one knows..

Whats magic got to do with it, why are u shifting the focus here.
Osama has become a political figure, he's sending messages during the US elections show's he's trying to convince public opinion.
Look how well it did in SPAIN.

Alqaeda has stated that the bush admin is lying, that the zionest regime is responsible for this that and the other.
He's aware of the pressure the US Is under with the lack of credible evidence...
its in his interests to have the US population question the government.
So why would he shift the focus from the government back to himself.
The more we question the government, the more the infedels lose credability.

YOU FAIL TO MUTE MY POINT, all you do is ask questions mate, whats up with that ?

IT serves alqaeda to have the USA lose credability in this war on terror.
IT Serves alqaeda to have the US citizens believe the US Administration to be lying.
IT DOESNT Serve alqaeda, to have the public focus squarley on them again, after 5 yrs of suspicous motives against the Administration.

come on mate, debate with me.. dont just side step my points with your attempt at witty convo.

answer this.

Why can the US government, raise threat levels, due to CHATTER.. due to historic dates.....
yet..when two seeminly unsual, unique tapes surface, they try to convince the public all is well no need to worry.

We've been up and down so many times on this threat level... why wont they raise it on a 5yr anniversary after these two tapes..



YOU CANT SEE THE POINT??

Orite ill spell it out slowly.

When the US invaded afghan.. you remember that ?
They found various tapes which they put on the media.

Of dogs being gassed... of osama laughing and so forth.. these tapes were LEFT behind in camps, which the US soilders found.

So... why did alqaeda.. choose to pick up this tape.. when they were running for there lives.. yet leave all the otehr evidence?

.. only to have it released now ?


I shouldnt have to chose a side.
Im a citizen.. not a soilder.. not a terrorists not a sympathiser.

But I seemed to be labelled so many things if I dont choose a side..

If america is hellbent on waging war across the ME, because there government cant protect its own citizens, at the same time give them the TRUTH
leave the rest of the world out of it.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Whats magic got to do with it, why are u shifting the focus here.

you cant use my sarcasm to attack me. be rational.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Alqaeda has stated that the bush admin is lying, that the zionest regime is responsible for this that and the other.
He's aware of the pressure the US Is under with the lack of credible evidence...
its in his interests to have the US population question the government.
So why would he shift the focus from the government back to himself.
The more we question the government, the more the infedels lose credability.

this is NOT the agenda!! why OBL will want people to question the goverment???
whats on hes mind? running for US presidency? the only agenda is to strike fear in the hearts of the infedels. and kill them along the way.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

YOU FAIL TO MUTE MY POINT, all you do is ask questions mate, whats up with that ?

attack is, indeed, the best defence.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

IT serves alqaeda to have the USA lose credability in this war on terror.

true. but thats not the point.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

IT Serves alqaeda to have the US citizens believe the US Administration to be lying.

again, not the pointof the video.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

IT DOESNT Serve alqaeda, to have the public focus squarley on them again, after 5 yrs of suspicous motives against the Administration.

why not??? are you forgetting that this tape is not exclusively for the US audiance?
are you forgetting that this tape was on al-jazeera and not fox? are you forgetting that osama need the support of the extreme muslims? cant you see the logic?
osama addressing the muslims to watch hes streangh and remember that he is still alive.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

come on mate, debate with me.. dont just side step my points with your attempt at witty convo.

answer this.

Why can the US government, raise threat levels, due to CHATTER.. due to historic dates.....
yet..when two seeminly unsual, unique tapes surface, they try to convince the public all is well no need to worry.

We've been up and down so many times on this threat level... why wont they raise it on a 5yr anniversary after these two tapes..

ill go really slow with this one... ARE YOU A HOMELAND SECURITY SPECIALIST?????? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THREAT LEVELS???????
have you ever worked for the cia?
have you ever worked in the pentagon?
have you ever been in a military base?
what do you know?
where do you bring that logic?
can you provide hard evidence that something is not right?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

YOU CANT SEE THE POINT??

no.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Orite ill spell it out slowly.

go slow on me. i tend to cry.

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

When the US invaded afghan.. you remember that ?
They found various tapes which they put on the media.

Of dogs being gassed... of osama laughing and so forth.. these tapes were LEFT behind in camps, which the US soilders found.

So... why did alqaeda.. choose to pick up this tape.. when they were running for there lives.. yet leave all the otehr evidence?

evidence of what??? they scream out loud they did the attacks. what do they need to hide?

Of course he's not running for presidency.
This Administration follows Israel like a blind dog, doing there bidding.
What better way to strike fear into the populace, by convincing them that there own government can stoop low enough to attack there own people to benefit there cause over sea's.

that would terrify me more, than a cave dwelling person sending threats via video tape.

really man, your pretty new on ATS judging by your points, and the way you respond to my valid points.

so if you bother to reply to this with cheap one liners.. dont expect a reponse, and it saddens me that this debate lost its structure becuase you chose to debate with lines such as

'' attack is indeed the best defence '' when i was why you answer questions with questions.
" go slow on me I tend to cry "

Why is my point VALID, when it say it serves alqaeda to have the USA lose credability.. yet you scream high and low OBL isnt doing this ?

This tape is for the world wide audience granted,
but have you noticed the WORLD WIDE support given to the suspicions behind the US admin about 911?
Its not just the US questioning it dude,
and the extremeists arent following bin laden.. there following allah...
the extremeist muslims in saddams factions didnt want to be paired with alqaeda, they dideverything in the name of allah.
Osama is a convenient focul point to have as a face of alqaeda.


I know enough about watching threat levels to question, why the US government can raise it over chatter.. over dates.. over suspicous goings on..

yet they steadfastly stand by there calculation that there's no reason to raise the threat levels on the 5yr anniverary after these two tapes.
why ask stupid quetsions like
ill go really slow with this one... ARE YOU A HOMELAND SECURITY SPECIALIST?????? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THREAT LEVELS???????
have you ever worked for the cia?
have you ever worked in the pentagon?
have you ever been in a military base?
what do you know?
where do you bring that logic?
can you provide hard evidence that something is not right?

So your telling me, simply becuase I dont work for the US goverment i should accept there rulings ?
I should follow like the true sheep the public has become?

That might be ok for you, but when something suspicous like this arises, i like to question as to WHY things have or havent happend.

I believe after these two tapes, the 5yr anniversary, israel, iraq, iran all grants atleast some sort of warning to be careful, and take note this coming anniversary.
all im seeing are reports that it is an anniversary and there there is NO THREAT.

when you know the answer...
why try to ridicule my posting simply because you dont have a decent response but to tell me because im not invovled, i mustnt have a clue.

They dont need to hide, but there's no reason to shift the suspicion from the government back to themselves. this is a basic point u dont seem to grasp.

Scenario:
A murder is on trial. the police are being questioned as to why the gun in the trial doesnt relate to the weapon used... Would you expect the defendant to stand up and say no no no .. your wrong.. that is indeed my weapon.. they just wernt aware.



answer the question..

why did they choose to take this tape from the camps, save it for 5 long years only to release it 3 days prior ot the 5th yr anniversary ?...
when they left all the hard evidence of chemicals, and other various tapes for anyone to take.

why can they make tapes up every other time.. with fancy backgrounds, audios and over lays.. yet chose to keep this seeminly useless footage in hand for this particular day.

I dont like doing it, but unless u start focusing on the points in trying to make, instaed of ridiculing me... you'll be the first on my ignore list.
actually forget, after reading ya responses to my posts.. i dont particuarly want to continue this debate.
a debate is meant to be constructive..
If you want to address my points, please U2U me.. but im done arguing with immature people who cant debate properly.
Sorry for the foul words, but ive just wasted all this time hoping for a logical discussion.





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Originally posted by Agit8dChop

IT serves alqaeda to have the USA lose credability in this war on terror.

Not if they lose their own credibility in the process.

I think you brought up some logical points, with the increasing media and blog focus on 9/11 theories and the U.S. Government. However, the media focus could be a double-edged sword for Osama.

How are his followers going to react to all of this focus of an 'inside job'? This is dangerous coverage, think about it. If so many AMERICANS are starting to believe this, who's to say his own army doesn't begin to believe the same?

9/11 was a huge success for AQ. They've even managed to recruit some Americans into their agenda! If people start to believe there is no AQ and it's all govt psy-ops, then what's their cause?

It's simple. By releasing that video, he regained his God-like mantra. He retains his followers.

Heck, how else is he to reaffirm his power? It's not like he can set up a conference call meeting with all of his field agents, since all of his cell phones keep getting intercepted.

-(still) Sour

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

IT serves alqaeda to have the USA lose credability in this war on terror.

Not if they lose their own credibility in the process.

I think you brought up some logical points, with the increasing media and blog focus on 9/11 theories and the U.S. Government. However, the media focus could be a double-edged sword for Osama.

How are his followers going to react to all of this focus of an 'inside job'? This is dangerous coverage, think about it. If so many AMERICANS are starting to believe this, who's to say his own army doesn't begin to believe the same?

9/11 was a huge success for AQ. They've even managed to recruit some Americans into their agenda! If people start to believe there is no AQ and it's all govt psy-ops, then what's their cause?

It's simple. By releasing that video, he regained his God-like mantra. He retains his followers.

Heck, how else is he to reaffirm his power? It's not like he can set up a conference call meeting with all of his field agents, since all of his cell phones keep getting intercepted.

-(still) Sour

Thankyou for a resonable repsonse sourgrapes.
His followers, are only following the story given.
Granted, they might lose credability for Osama and his compatriats.. but i think there past shows if they are hell bent on jihad, something liek that wouldnt stop there resolve.
Alqaeda has done enough attacks to have his followers back him up.
Cole, embassy bombings, various iraqi attacks, saudi attacks, even the figures WITHIN the team are cred enough i believe.
just being alqaeda, and related to osama is enough motivation.

but you make a valid point.

Mayeb alqaeda did plan it.
I beleive they had asssitance in the execution tho.
He could of spent all that time planning the attack, only to have it foiled in the end.
But surpsie to him it went on anyways...
he's not going to admit he stuffed up, and doenst know how it occured
he's going to take the glory.

If he didnt do it.. his close circle know this..
If he did.. im sure they all know that too.

But all the outsider alqaeda cells, are probably unaware, its a pretty secret knowledge who knows what i believe.
They see what they see on the media.
when they see various academics questioning the US governments role.. they probably cheer that the government is copping it from within as well.
when they see these tapes.. they probably sit back and go ' bee thee our fearless leader '

Either way, I cant see an alqaeda cell, stopping there plans, throwing down the koran and declaring hatred for alqaeda just because there's a feeling the USA had a hand in the attacks.
Being IRAQ was a direct result, they'd probably use that as motivation, even if it was proven true!

' The infedels are prepared to blame others, for there own attack, just so they can pour more muslim blood in the middle east '

They hate america for what it is... not what osama believes it to be.

forgive me if my post is hasty.. I have to run as my work has finished for the day and i have a good party night ahead.
I will return tommrow and edit/reply to anything that doesnt make sensE!


[edit on 8-9-2006 by Agit8dChop]

you already terrified by your own goverment. so i guess OBL did made hes way to your heart.

your points are not valid as all of the 9/11 conspiracy. and mayb im new to posting on the forum but ive been around for some monthes. not to mention a thrilled conspirer myself a few years ago.

your criticism is welcomed.

the suspicions are all that. a suspicions. US goverment didnt do the 9/11. muslim terrorists did. i was excatly at your state and i know how your fealing but i urge you to look from an observer prespective, find some time to step aside from your belief and look the other way.

mayb they wanted to use the tape for propoganda? its serving this excat point right now. and what hard evidence? all the world is looking for them, most of the world acknowledges that those terrorists were part of 9/11 plot.

and you are welcomed not to answer my posts. its your own decision out of your own free will.

The video is a fake. It is supposed to be pre 9-1 but has an image FROM 9-11 in it - Big mistake if you want it to have it believed.

People in this thread have SHOWN its got that image from the very day taken from live footage.

No, what this video tape is all about is reinforcing a fear mind set.

You are supposed to believe it was osama who did it - Thats what they need you to do - to be scared of the arab boogey man.

You cannot believe that a spliced and cut tape with an image captured from the very day is pre 9-11.

No that was a whistle blow if i ever saw one. Look at the image folks - its in plain site.

Dark Knight, I think the parts of the video you're referring to are the commentary by Al-Jazeera. It's just the reporter and the backdrop for the segment they aired this week.

english.aljazeera.net...

No dude, sorry but al jazeera themselves say that those are images FROM the tape. its from the horses mouth so to speak.

That tape is fake.

and no ones even answered the fact that there is a face that is blurred out post production to protect some ones identity. If this was a hijacker, why go through all the trouble ?? The tape was not to be seen till after the event, so why hide the face in the tape??

ROFL MASSIVE FAKE!

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Well if not Al-Jazeera then al-Quaida's own media org. I think it's called al-Shar or something like that.

even if they showed bin laden seing them off in the airport before the hijackers left on flight It still wouldnt mean anything. Everything is so departmentalized that it still doesnt prove who was really behind it. this loks like a quick edit version of something to disinform people ASAP after Irans statement, IMO

DisInformation..
Clips and glue in Adbobe premiere can make wonders..

You know what?
It's so easy to effect/affecr what people should think - when your posting on The Real News channels...websides...Or on TV...

People tend to think what is on TV is Real and fact...
They proberly just doing an input of pictures into peoples minds before the next attack...

God bless your souls..


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What America has done to its people before, 9/11 would not surprise me.
and what perfect time to show bin landen and his friends lol
video after video
let me guess theres probaly one more video to come out before the 11th

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Ok go to al jazeera TV, watch the video - In the back ground is the twin towers with an explosion coming from it. This explosion is IDENTICAL to the actual flames from 9-11. This video was made AFTER the events at the very least.
If they insist it was made before 9-11, this footage is BS!!

They insist this video was made before 9/11 to show the hijackers preparing for the attacks, and Al Qaeda added pics of the twin towers burning to show their efforts and results of that attack. They included it. Are you that low not to know?

are you kidding me?

I like to keep track of CT's theories on 9/11 out of curiousity, but after watching this all I thought was, no way is this 5 years old.
It smells of a "production."
This is the best video in terms of quality that i've seen and they save it for the 5 year (coincidently the election year) anniversary?

I mean, wasnt a tape released during like every election so far?
Something really stinks about this guys...

I think some of you are missing the point. Yes, this is good evidence that indicates 9/11 was carried out by AQ and OBL.....someone did it, and it wasn't a holographic missle or a crash test dummy.

Just because there's evidence that points to AQ and OBL being the main trigger man, that does not mean that other forces were not at work behind the scenes.

This is not proof against a conspiracy, just proof of who carried out 9/11.


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