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reply posted on 7-9-2006 @ 02:47 PM by jsobecky
Originally posted by SkittlesLA
Where along the line did we do something that would make someone angry enough to spend millions of dollars to sneak hundreds (low estimate of terrorist sleeper cells) into the US to fly those planes into the towers? You think it started 4 or 5 years before they started planning 9/11? No, it had to be the straw that broke the camels back...

The estimate is less than $500K was spent by AQ for 9/11.

And what did we do to deserve 9/11? Of course, it must be our fault, right?

No. The reason is that bin Laden is Saudia Arabian, and he cannot stand the fact that we had the audacity to set foot on his Holy Ground. That is the root of his hatred for us. Look it up.

Not that I say the proper responce is to kill innocents, just that we all have to take an honest look at where our faults lie, I learned a long time ago that it takes two to make a fight, and we need to be sure that we acknowledge our mistakes in this situation, and try to correct our behavior. Doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result is the ultimate in insanity. Treating people with respect is not appeasement, and correcting your mistakes is the adult and responsible thing to do.

We did nothing except to buy their oil from them. After we drilled it out of the ground. We refined it and sold it. And, in the process, made them some of the wealthiest people the planet has ever known.

But the response from AQ is childish. They are still living in a 4th century culture and mentality that stones women in public. These are people you want to reason with?


reply posted on 7-9-2006 @ 05:23 PM by centurion1211
Originally posted by dgtempe
I want you to name the lies.

That's what i asked for. I remember the entire movie and it seems to me that there were no lies...except a little hype here and there. To add drama....

Please name the lies.

Thanks.


Tell you what: The beginning had Osama's family being whisked off in a rush overseas immediatedly after 9/11....the middle had a lot of the relationship that exists between the Bushe's and the Arabs....

There are some highlights, may jolt your memories.

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Then I challenge you to read this entire article. The whole thing, as it addresses what you just said plus a lot "moore".

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In this peaceable kingdom, according to Moore's flabbergasting choice of film shots, children are flying little kites, shoppers are smiling in the sunshine, and the gentle rhythms of life are undisturbed. Then—wham! From the night sky come the terror weapons of American imperialism. Watching the clips Moore uses, and recalling them well, I can recognize various Saddam palaces and military and police centers getting the treatment. But these sites are not identified as such. In fact, I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic. You would also be led to think that the term "civilian casualty" had not even been in the Iraqi vocabulary until March 2003.


... why did Moore's evil Saudis not join "the Coalition of the Willing"? Why instead did they force the United States to switch its regional military headquarters to Qatar? If the Bush family and the al-Saud dynasty live in each other's pockets, as is alleged in a sort of vulgar sub-Brechtian scene with Arab headdresses replacing top hats, then how come the most reactionary regime in the region has been powerless to stop Bush from demolishing its clone in Kabul and its buffer regime in Baghdad?


More interesting is the moment where Bush is shown frozen on his chair at the infant school in Florida, looking stunned and useless for seven whole minutes after the news of the second plane on 9/11. Many are those who say that he should have leaped from his stool, adopted a Russell Crowe stance, and gone to work. I could even wish that myself. But if he had done any such thing then (as he did with his "Let's roll" and "dead or alive" remarks a month later), half the Michael Moore community would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse.


and perhaps my favorite part of the article (read this carefully):

Moore concludes with a sonorous reading of some words from George Orwell. The words are taken from 1984 and consist of a third-person analysis of a hypothetical, endless, and contrived war between three superpowers. The clear intention, as clumsily excerpted like this (...) is to suggest that there is no moral distinction between the United States, the Taliban, and the Baath Party and that the war against jihad is about nothing. If Moore had studied a bit more, or at all, he could have read Orwell really saying, and in his own voice, the following:

The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to taking life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists, whose real though unacknowledged motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration for totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writing of the younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States …

And that's just from Orwell's Notes on Nationalism in May 1945. A short word of advice: In general, it's highly unwise to quote Orwell if you are already way out of your depth on the question of moral equivalence. It's also incautious to remind people of Orwell if you are engaged in a sophomoric celluloid rewriting of recent history.



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