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US losing the war in Iraq

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posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 03:42 AM
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Fallujah is where true freedom lives. Fallujah is the human spirit.

Fallujah defiant and heroic, will NEVER SURRENDER!

As i have always said, they will fight to the end.

Ramadi, al anbar, al basrah, the whole of iraq. Soon every city in iraq will be Al-Fallujah, The-Fallujah.




[edit on 8-9-2006 by Syrian Sister]




posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 03:51 AM
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Bla bla bla.

Another Islamic Zealot spitting hellfire.

Newsflash Syrian. Noone cares.

Oh and i dont know if you got the memo but... God isnt real




posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 03:52 AM
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i'm not that religious.

i'm more of a nationalist.

with socialist and only limited islamic ideas.
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See the Iraqi resistance isn't a religous movement, it's a nationalist movement.

these heroic people are fighting for their country, i don't except you to understand this concepts.

Anyway, it's your puppet regime in iraq that's all secterian and fundementalist.



[edit on 8-9-2006 by Syrian Sister]



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 03:55 AM
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well thats good to hear. You single? Something about a girl with an AK always turned me on.


EDIT: Could you post some cool pictures of you posing with your guns? Maybe even standing proudly over some dead amerians just so we can see you in all your beauty?

[edit on 8-9-2006 by nephyx]

[edit on 8-9-2006 by nephyx]



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 03:58 AM
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fratonising with the enemy?

you might get in trouble for that.

When i say i'm not that religious that means, i don't fast or pray, and i'm not so strict on listening to music or how i dress.... Doesn't mean i don't belive in god, nor does it mean i'm not a muslim, and nor doesn't mean i don't have some conservative ideas.

Still, religion is not where my political ideas come from. Patriotism is.

as for a pic of me, i wouldn't post that on a public forum because you never know what kind of weirdo's you'll get, if you want to know what i look like you'll need to have MSN messenger.

if only i had an AK... but i'd rather an RPG-7

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posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
fratonising with the enemy?

you might get in trouble for that.

When i say i'm not that religious that means, i don't fast or pray, and i'm not so strict on listening to music or how i dress. Doesn't mean i don't belive in god, nor doesn't mean i'm not a muslim, and nor doesn't mean i don't have some conservative ideas.

Still, religion is not where my political ideas come from. Patriotism is.


aww cmon lets get some pictures.. Here ill go first.

img174.imageshack.us... This is me staring into your eyes, begging you to put down the AK and come to bed with me.

img74.imageshack.us... This is me getting ready for war, not in the middle east, but in the streets of LA (much worse than Fellujah)

Anyway.. Its okay to admit that after seeing these pictures you would love nothing more than to come live with me and have FIERCE bump and grind session. Maybe we could even have some FIERCE agnostic babies who dont take crap from anyone, be it american or muslim!!

God I want you.



[edit on 8-9-2006 by nephyx]



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:10 AM
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are all germans this insane?

or are you originally american which would explain much.

*ahem*

anyway, yes, america is losing the war. You better get out while you still can.

that is, while you can walk out with your legs still attached to your bodies.


[edit on 8-9-2006 by Syrian Sister]



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:20 AM
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Thats not the kindof pillow talk I expected. Is that your idea of romance? Why cant we just get along? I am a human being, Just like you. I didnt join the army, I dont even support the army.

I am an intellectual which means i dont fight over holy lands or who's religion is better. Instead of persuing death, maybe you should persue love and just see me for the passionate man I am.

You wouldnt love me for the simple fact that I was born in America? The fact that I dont support the current government or have any religious affiliation means nothing to you?

I just wanted to flirt with you because like i said earlier. Nothing is sexier than a chick with an automatic rifle. Lets see some of those pictures already!



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by Astygia
Yes, we believed that it was due revenge, justified morally due to alleged connections with AQ, and legally due to the WMD hype.


I don't want to sound like a complete know-it-all (yeah, right) but I have to say that when I first heard about supposed connections between Saddam and AQ, I thought "Huh? Saddam's a secularist, and OBL's a religious nut..." Admittedly they both had connections to the CIA from way back, but still - it just didn't sound plausible to me.

I think the lesson to be learned from all of this is that the US administration, and this one on particular, is more than happy to lie, lie, and lie again until its pants are a blazing inferno, to further its ends. It therefore, right now, behooves us all to look with a pretty squinty eye at what they're saying about Iran. If you look into that document I mentioned earlier, "A Clean Break", you'll see that it calls for a pretty thorough remodelling of the ME - knock a wall down here, turn this bedroom into an ensuite bathroom, that kind of thing. It's not just changing the wallpaper and throwing up new curtains. Iran and Syria are next on the agenda, and when you look at what's happened to Iraq (which I think you'd have to be pretty ideologically committed to call a success), this bodes ill for the civilian population.


Remember, even though we now know it to be a big farce, at the time we supposedly had the intel of several countries and Iraqi insiders backing our own.


Yeah. I was watching things pretty carefully, so my memory of this is one of a breathtakingly successful PR campaign. I was getting pretty angry because there was just this crushing inevitability about the way it was going. I also remember the reaction to the UK's "dodgy dossier" here - no-one believed it and within hours they'd worked out that it was actually a flimsy retread of intel that was around 10 years old. The propaganda machine here is way less efficient than in the US, but it still works when it has to. Most people, for example, think that Dr. David Kelly committed suicide. (He was the MoD bioweapons scientist who said in a BBC interview that the dossier had been "sexed up" on orders from Blair's chief of staff Alastair Campbell, and turned up dead in some woods in highly mysterious circumstances. I'm pretty certain the security services killed him)... and actually, in the immediate aftermath of his death I had a little propaganda lesson of my own: I went abroad to work, and noticed that whereas the supposedly impartial BBC was saying "the suicide of Dr. David Kelly", foreign news services all went with the more cautious "the apparent suicide of Dr. David Kelly...." Just one little detail, but the drip-drip-drip effect had actually undermined my suspicions of his death without me even noticing.


The fact that the UN wasn't with us didn't make a difference; since when did the UN really do anything useful other than officially "condemn" something, honestly? Rwanda? Hezbollah (before this most recent conflict)? Surely most can agree on this.


Well... the UN is potentially a good organisation, but the vested interests of different countries prevent action on a number of issues. The US and Israel, for example, have ignored dozens and dozens of UN resolutions about Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. And this particular Administration wants to make the UN its bitch, no question.


I'm sure people like yourself had their suspicions of the administration, but three years ago few could have known the extent of the BS we were being fed. Now the admin blows it off like nothing, I'm not dealing with that too well.


Actually, my "political awakening" came quite late, when the last trouble in East Timor kicked off in around 1999. Until then I'd been kind of apolitical and had just watched the mainstream news in a kind of bewildered daze. I remember, for example, when Saddam was gassing the Kurds, thinking, "why aren't we doing anything about this?" Duhh... We were supporting him, dummy! But I didn't know that at the time. But I read some more about the East Timor, discovered Pilger and Chomsky, and my model of the world changed and things suddenly got a little easier to understand.

I accept what you have to say about WP, although I have to admit I still harbour suspicions that its use might have been, perhaps, deliberately careless in a town that was resisting US military occupation.

I'd be interested in your take on Depleted Uranium, though. You might be interested in a documentary called Beyond Treason, which can be bought on DVD, or, it might still be available through Google Video (which is where I viewed it). It would be against the terms and conditions of this site to link to it (because it's on sale), but I'm pretty sure you could find it online with a little searching. It details a lot of stuff about DU and also how the US exposed its troops to a whole cocktail of biochemical weapons in GWI. It'll probably piss you off, be warned. On the other hand, is it better to be angry and well-informed, or placid and ignorant?



...It's the same old nonsense they were putting out about Saddam...


My friend, for people like myself (there are many), this is hindsight that we wish could have been foresight.


But now we at least know that the stuff about Saddam was propaganda, right? Yes, he was no angel, and he did support terrorism... but then so does the US, so it's not exactly like there's moral high ground available or a justification for military action. That's why I'm tearing my hair out at the current campaign to demonize Iran, a country which the US ****ed over back in the fifties, trained its secret police - one of the most vicious on the planet - and actually made life there so crappy that radical fundamentalist Islam looked like a good option. Now they want that country and its oil reserves back under US control.


Saddam was no angel, and neither was the taliban, but I'm not the only ex-soldier (or current soldier) that realizes we were a tool, and that's a disgusting feeling.


It's not pretty to watch it going on, either. Thanks for the dialogue.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:29 AM
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I am an intellectual which means i dont fight over holy lands or who's religion is better.


wars never happen over religion, war always happen because of greedy capitalists who want other peoples land and resources. And every people have a right to defend their homes and independence.


You wouldnt love me for the simple fact that I was born in America? The fact that I dont support the current government or have any religious affiliation means nothing to you?


Please, i have nothing against the american people, even the crazy neocon ones, they remain civilians. As for you being against your government and military, i applaud you for that. But really you should respect that people are going to fight against your government and military who you admit is wrong.0

As for my photo, like i have a strict policy of not posting my image on websites online. if anyone wants to know what the mysterious
syrian sister looks like, we would have to exchange msn.
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i like this part



Eyewitnesses in Ramadi say many of the attacks are taking place within their city. They say that the U.S. military recently asked citizens in al-Anbar to stop targeting them, and promised to withdraw to their bases in Haditha and Habaniyah (near Fallujah) soon, leaving the cities for Iraqi security forces to patrol.


heheheheheh

American grunt :"ok ok, please stop killing us!!! we'll go back to our bases see"

People of Ramadi: "not good enough!!! go back to america or die like men!"


"I believe no local unit could stand the severe resistance of al-Anbar, and it will be the last province to be handed over to Iraqi security forces."


damn straight



[edit on 8-9-2006 by Syrian Sister]



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:39 AM
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As for the burgeoning love affair between Nephyx and Syrian Sister - that's what U2Us are for. It was pretty funny though. And nothing made me laugh louder than when Nephyx claims to be an intellectual, having completely missed the point of Syrian Sister's post which had no Islamic content whatsoever.

There does seem to be a blindness on the part of the US, which is a fiercely nationalistic country - the rituals surrounding the treatment of its flag, for instance, are viewed as bordering on the insane by rationalists like myself.

This blindness comes from the conviction that anything the US does is right and correct, so, if the US invades your country, there must be something wrong with you for not liking that. And yet it really ought to be obvious that a rise in nationalist feeling is the inevitable consequence of invasion by an imperial power.

And, Syrian Sister, I agree with you... I think that the spirit of resistance exemplified by Fallujah is spreading throughout Iraq, which is why the US will find it impossible to hold on to.

Edit - and I have to add that I really hope that your country doesn't get invaded, for your sake in particular. Since the occupation of Iraq we've seen the rise of fundamentalist Islam, which means women can no longer go out to work, have independent lives, or wear anything other than the hijab. You sound like you're proud and independent, and it would be sad to see a spirit like yours crushed as so many Iraqi women have been.

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posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:44 AM
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No love affair i assure you.


And, Syrian Sister, I agree with you... I think that the spirit of resistance exemplified by Fallujah is spreading throughout Iraq, which is why the US will find it impossible to hold on to.


Resistance has always been everywhere, but it's becoming Fiercer and Fiercer, and only those that don't have an american flag blindfold can see it.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 04:51 AM
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Double post... sorry

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posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:04 AM
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She wont respond to my U2U's I guess im not worthy of the truth.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:21 AM
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You have my sympathy and indeed compassion... now can we get back on topic?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:26 AM
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I've told you this before, Rich, but you really need to start including the UK in such thread titles, especially as you're British. A little side mention halfway down the page doesn't really do us justice, does it now?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:28 AM
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because it's insignificant for the most part.

I mean sure they are losing badly to, with their soldiers dying daily in basra and afghanistan.

but really if your talking about an enemy, do you talk about the master or his insignificant pet dog?



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
because it's insignificant for the most part.

but really if your talking about an enemy, do you talk about the master or his insignificant pet dog?


Insignificant pet Dog? Don't be so stupid. Read up on the History of Britain in that region. It would be a different story out there if it wasn't for the atrocities we have committed over the centuries. While you're at it, read up on the History of America, and then tell me how insignificant Britain is. You of all people should know that, and I'm suprised by your ignorant display.

Don't lose your focus, both countries are one and the same. You can't possibly focus on one and not the other. It's ridiculous.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:42 AM
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Well i don't disagree with you, you are right, both countries are one in the same. Infact, it is so much so that mentioning the US implies britian by default. I suppose i'm just looking at it from a number of soldiers percective, making the US the number 1 player of the two demonds.


Read up on the History of Britain in that region. It would be a different story out there if it wasn't for the atrocities we have committed over the centuries


i'm aware of britains occupation and it's attrocities. but i disagree that the situation would be different had it not happened, where there is occupation there will be resistance, attrocities or not.



posted on Sep, 8 2006 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
i'm aware of britains occupation and it's attrocities. but i disagree that the situation would be different had it not happened, where there is occupation there will be resistance, attrocities or not.


I meant things would be different had Britain stayed completely out of the Asian and Middle Eastern regions. No crusades. No occupation. No drug harvesting, no raping, no pillaging, and no plundering. The situation now would of course be different had none of this happened, and that's not really open for debate.



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